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Change in rules to better the game

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1)  If the QB tucks and runs with the ball all protections afforded him as a QB go away.  No sliding, no giving up.  You make the decision to run, you have to earn your yards.  PERIOD.  This sliding crap and diving out on the sidelines is bullshit.   I remember back a few years when Rodgers was running out of bounds on a 3rd and long play and the Viking defender (for some reason I think it was Lieber) went to hit him on the sideline about 5 yds short of the 3rd down and Rodgers pulled up and faked like he was going out of bounds and when the defender pulled up Rodgers cut back upfield and got the first down.  Lieber made an appeal to the ref while Rodgers just laughed.  That is wrong.  Just like Fields on Monday night, that kid is electric please tell me what Kendricks is supposed to to there?  QBs like Allen, Fields, Wilson, Jackson, and Hurts are probably as good or better running the ball than their RB teammates.  Not right.

2)  Get rid of the ridiculous 5 yard rule and go back to the pre 1978 Mel Blount rule.   This has to be the most inconsistent flag of all time.   Holding is one thing but this flag is used ALL the time to give 3rd down conversions to the offense.   For instance, I watched a TE go 8 yards downfield and initiate contact with a stationary Harrison Smith on 3rd down and then cut off the contact HE initiated, the QB got sacked and they called illegal contact on Smith.  I think this would also cut down on the zone defenses as teams would go back to a more man on man based coverage packages would also cut down on concussions and defenseless receiver hits.

3)  Get rid of the stupid out of the tacklebox rule.  That is bullshit too.  My God the Dline does their job and beats the Oline and get NOTHING for it.   

4)  PI is PI.  PERIOD.  Sick of this he turned his head crap and it was both sides or it was handfighting.  Or the refs swallowing their whistle on the Hail Mary plays. In advertant contact.  BS.  If there was ANY contact initiated by either the offensive or defensive player it is PI.  PERIOD.  Unreal how badly this penalty is also wildly inconsistently called.

These changes alone could take a lot of the subjective calls out of the control of the officals and make their jobs easier.  Thoughts?

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#1 · Dec 24, 8:55 AM
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This would make the NFL as watchable as soccer.  Most QBs out by week 9.

Simpler solution would be to get some refs who didn't suck complete ass.

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#2 · Dec 24, 9:29 AM
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@"JustinTime18™" said: This would make the NFL as watchable as soccer.  Most QBs out by week 9.

Simpler solution would be to get some refs who didn't suck complete ass.


yes, the refs are the worst Ive ever seen dictating drives and too often games.

I would love a return to tougher QB’s, who arent complete crybaby, pussies.

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#3 · Dec 24, 9:52 AM
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@"JustinTime18™" said: This would make the NFL as watchable as soccer.  Most QBs out by week 9.

Simpler solution would be to get some refs who didn't suck complete ass.


Hire full-time refs. Require them to get a degree in refereeing and stay current in their craft. Then fire all refs who can't seem to see what 40 million Americans can see on their telly. 

Referees who are not working a game form a panel of SuperRefs with electronic devices that allow the panel to immediately weigh in on a call. Every penalty and close call reviewable in real time. Panel has the answer before TV audience even sees the replay. No more reviews, no more challenges, majority rules. Never get another call wrong and speed up the game. 

You're welcome. 

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#4 · Dec 24, 9:56 AM
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@"Vanguard83" said:
@"JustinTime18™" said: This would make the NFL as watchable as soccer.  Most QBs out by week 9.

Simpler solution would be to get some refs who didn't suck complete ass.


yes, the refs are the worst Ive ever seen dictating drives and too often games.

I would love a return to tougher QB’s, who arent complete crybaby, pussies.



You sound like Alex Boone who's on talk sports radio here...He was just saying how this generation of OL (and players in general) are much more inclined to sit out in a 50/50 situation (injury wise) than any before it. 

2 things in play imho; more awareness & education about injury short/long-term consequences + $ at risk is huge. 

And yes, NFL can afford full time ref's.

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#5 · Dec 24, 10:03 AM
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@"JustinTime18™" said: This would make the NFL as watchable as soccer.  Most QBs out by week 9.

Simpler solution would be to get some refs who didn't suck complete ass.


So….dont run if youre a Qb?  You should be no different then anyone else running. 

On the throw away idea. Not sure, I dont mind the current rule. 

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@"AGRforever" said:
@"JustinTime18™" said: This would make the NFL as watchable as soccer.  Most QBs out by week 9.

Simpler solution would be to get some refs who didn't suck complete ass.


So….dont run if youre a Qb?  You should be no different then anyone else running. 

On the throw away idea. Not sure, I dont mind the current rule. 



Not at all what I said. There's a pretty compelling financial reason why QBs are protected.

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#7 · Dec 24, 12:47 PM
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I agree, but I would change letting a QB throw the ball away. Any time a QB throws the ball it must be close to a receiver or it should be grounding. When you get paid that kind of money you should be able to throw the ball to a covered receiver. If you can't then go get a real job.

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#8 · Dec 24, 3:33 PM
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The pussification of the QB position is a large part of what is ruining the game for me.  Once they leave the pocket period they should be free game,  dont want to get hit...go play fucking tennis.

Or like Brady has said,  it shouldn't be on the defense to protect receivers,   that's the QBs job.  If the QB is going they've those receivers out to dry they will learn and won't run those routes or make those plays on the ball. 

Its a gladiator game,  you can't have it both ways.  Either you want flag football or you have to be willing to accept injuries,  often to key players that put themselves in those positions. 

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#9 · Dec 24, 7:24 PM
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@"JimmyinSD" said:

Its a gladiator game,  you can't have it both ways.  Either you want flag football or you have to be willing to accept injuries,  often to key players that put themselves in those positions. 


It can't be like this: these are human beings that have life after football. We see now that CTE is real. And how crippled up they get because of the punishment. Injuries are one thing, life long physical issues and debilitating mental disorders are something altogether different. You have to try and make things better and sometimes QBs are completely helpless and get annihilated. How is this good for the game? These are the stars of the league. I'm not saying I don't understand the pussy calls that the refs throw flags on as it can be ridiculous and inconsistent. But to say its just a 'gladiator' game and that's how it goes isn't right knowing what we know now medically. 

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@"StickyBun" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:

Its a gladiator game,  you can't have it both ways.  Either you want flag football or you have to be willing to accept injuries,  often to key players that put themselves in those positions. 


It can't be like this: these are human beings that have life after football. We see now that CTE is real. And how crippled up they get because of the punishment. Injuries are one thing, life long physical issues and debilitating mental disorders are something altogether different. You have to try and make things better and sometimes QBs are completely helpless and get annihilated. How is this good for the game? These are the stars of the league. I'm not saying I don't understand the pussy calls that the refs throw flags on as it can be ridiculous and inconsistent. But to say its just a 'gladiator' game and that's how it goes isn't right knowing what we know now medically. 


When they leave the pocket,   they are not helpless.  Honesty there isn't another position on the field that is less in control of how and when the get hit.  In the pocket they are a vulnerable passer,  but once  they choose to leave that tackle box they should no longer be afforded that protection.  They started to call it that way with teams that went option heavy/ wildcat,  should be that way for every qb on every snap.  

Or,  like I said,  make it flag football and be done.  Trying to make it "safe" for some and not others is ruining the game.  And besides,  many of these rules aren't about player safety as much as they are about owners protecting their investments to keep them on the field generating profits.

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@"JustinTime18™" said: This would make the NFL as watchable as soccer.  Most QBs out by week 9.

Simpler solution would be to get some refs who didn't suck complete ass.


That rule didn't exist when most on here started watching the game and it was then much more enjoyable than soccer... with today's version I would say its only marginally better.

To many of the new rules are so much up to the discretion of the officials,  this is becoming professional wrestling more than soccer.

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#12 · Dec 25, 5:20 AM
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@"JimmyinSD" said: The pussification of the QB position is a large part of what is ruining the game for me.  Once they leave the pocket period they should be free game,  dont want to get hit...go play fucking tennis.

Or like Brady has said,  it shouldn't be on the defense to protect receivers,   that's the QBs job.  If the QB is going they've those receivers out to dry they will learn and won't run those routes or make those plays on the ball. 

Its a gladiator game,  you can't have it both ways.  Either you want flag football or you have to be willing to accept injuries,  often to key players that put themselves in those positions. 


OK, Overreaction Jackson. That's a ridiculously hyperbolic range of outcomes. How about we like tackle football, we're willing to accept injuries, we like the concussion protocols in place, but the refs need to ratchet down their sensitivity a teensy bit. 

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There are a few things that frustrate me that go against "the spirit of the game."  It is 2021, and we don't have dedicated goal line cameras at every game?  Let alone sensors in the ball that can say if it passed the goal line or not? I really think ref's should be in the booth.  We have the camera technology now that they could see exactly what they needed.  To me, ref's controlling the game should not be part of the experience. 

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Intentional grounding is a joke. Qb can spike the ball to stop the clock. Qb can Intentionally throw it at the feet of a RB when defense sniffs out the screen. If the QB is running for his life and just throws it away to protect himself its intentional grounding. Just dumb imo

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said: The pussification of the QB position is a large part of what is ruining the game for me.  Once they leave the pocket period they should be free game,  dont want to get hit...go play fucking tennis.

Or like Brady has said,  it shouldn't be on the defense to protect receivers,   that's the QBs job.  If the QB is going they've those receivers out to dry they will learn and won't run those routes or make those plays on the ball. 

Its a gladiator game,  you can't have it both ways.  Either you want flag football or you have to be willing to accept injuries,  often to key players that put themselves in those positions. 


OK, Overreaction Jackson. That's a ridiculously hyperbolic range of outcomes. How about we like tackle football, we're willing to accept injuries, we like the concussion protocols in place, but the refs need to ratchet down their sensitivity a teensy bit. 


Or just get rid of the arbitrary rules to take the refs out of if.  Go back and watch games from the 90s and compare that to today's game.  You can still have the concussion protocols to help prevent the long term brain damage,, without the complete bullshit rules we have today that are ruining the game.

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#16 · Dec 25, 9:42 AM
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One way to improve safety would be to slow the players down by playing on a different surface. But that wouldn't be as exciting for fans. Players have become bigger, faster, and stronger and work out constantly to achieve their best physical condition only to risk it all for big money.
I love the game but hate the injuries.
The refs having too much influence on the games is likely to continue and the game will never be what it was. Only time will tell if that is good or bad.

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#17 · Dec 25, 10:11 AM
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My changes:

  1. Get rid of sliding.  It's dumb.  I think there are more injuries caused by QBs sliding late, then there are prevented by sliding.
  2. If you fake going out of bounds, you are just out of bounds.  You have to go out of bounds (or slide if that's still a rule) with enough time for defenders to react appropriately.  If you wait until the last fraction of a second, and they are in the process of drilling you by the time you complete the act of giving yourself up, that's not a penalty on them.
  3. DPI is a max of 15 yards, however if the foul happens beyond the first down line, they get a first down, otherwise no free first down.  And I would make it harder to get DPI.  The ball has to be realistically catchable.  I think DBs should be allowed to be very handsy, but in a pushy way, but not grabby.  We should encourage defenders to try and make plays on the ball rather than big hits.  If they grab the receivers hands, call the penalty.  If they knock the receivers hands early, so be it.  Receiver should do a better job of getting open.
  4. I totally agree that we need better cameras, every game should have 12 on the field cameras, looking exactly down the goallines from both directions, and out of bounds in both directions on all 4 sides of the field. Whatever cameras and camera locations are required to call the game well should be mandated.  You shouldn't have lower quality reffing, because this is the 4th best game for the channel, and they only have half the cameras.  Let the station use whatever cameras they want in addition to the required ones.
  5. Every part of every play should be entirely subject to instant replay.  If a penalty was missed.  Call the penalty.  If a TO happened but you called it an incomplete pass, make it right.  I really hate that refs are encouraged to call the play wrong, because it means that instant replay can fix it, but then there's not enough information to overturn the call, which was only called that way because then it was allowed to review it.  If a ref knows they missed something, don't guess, call in the booth ref to look at the video of it.
  6. Also, bigger roster sizes and get rid of the practice squads.  We need to encourage players to stick with teams and develop.  I might even say something like, teams are required to have 4 QBs on roster to encourage better QB development.  Not 100% sure on that though.

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