Stefanski's Browns 6-6

Oh boy, the Dads are piping up!

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/11/29/kareem-hunt-father-browns-criticize-ravens-loss

Trade Steph for Zim straight up?

He is a newer coach though he has more leeway especially with the Browns.

The lesson here for the Vikings is to backfill Zimm with someone not from the Zimmer coaching tree... :p

Although it is early, he deserves some credit for having some success as a Cleveland Browns coach. I mean his team did beat the Vikings and at least they are at .500.

History has repeatedly shown it is not easy being a Browns coach.

W/L record2020: 11-5, plus the team's first playoff win in 25 years (Stafansky)
2019: 6-102018: 7-82017: 0-162016: 1-152015: 3-132014: 7-92013: 4-122012: 5-112011: 4-122010: 5-112009: 5-112008: 4-122007: 10-6 <-----last winning season2006: 4-122005: 6-102004: 4-122003: 5-112002: 9-7
2001: 7-92000: 3-131999: 2-14

Weird how Zimmer gets crucified for being good every other year, but Stefanski is getting a pass? 6-10, 11-5, and 6-6 so far...

And for being an offensive guru, the offense is what is holding back an extremely talented Browns team?  Look at their defense...  It's loaded and performing.

I like Stefanski and think he's a good coach. Just pointing out hypocrisy when I see it.  ;-)

@"Wetlander" said: Weird how Zimmer gets crucified for being good every other year, but Stefanski is getting a pass? 6-10, 11-5, and 6-6 so far...

And for being an offensive guru, the offense is what is holding back an extremely talented Browns team?  Look at their defense...  It's loaded and performing.

I like Stefanski and think he's a good coach. Just pointing out hypocrisy when I see it.  ;-)

Stafanski was the Vikings offensive coordinator in 2019, his record so far is 11-5 & 6-6.  Freddie Kitchens was the Browns head coach in 2019 when that team went 6-10. 

@"DeepFreeze05" said:

@"Wetlander" said: Weird how Zimmer gets crucified for being good every other year, but Stefanski is getting a pass? 6-10, 11-5, and 6-6 so far...

And for being an offensive guru, the offense is what is holding back an extremely talented Browns team?  Look at their defense...  It's loaded and performing.

I like Stefanski and think he's a good coach. Just pointing out hypocrisy when I see it.  ;-)

Stafanski was the Vikings offensive coordinator in 2019, his record so far is 11-5 & 6-6.  Freddie Kitchens was the Browns head coach in 2019 when that team went 6-10. 

@"StickyBun" said: I thought this guy was the next great HC? And Jackson threw 4 INTs, lol. Another media creation that gets crowned before he's done anything.

First off:  I wish we were 6-6 in a very competitive division with no cake team like the Lions.

The Browns have a Bye this week and then come back and play the Raven's at home after playing them well enough to win in Baltimore with a battered team/QB.  

Stefanski is going to have to earn his young up and coming HC stripes this year in the final stretch because they have one of the hardest remaining schedules.  That said, he might win 9 games and a playoff berth which would be two seasons in a row which is really something...look at the post above on their past records.  

Mayfield has been hurt since before they played and beat us in week 4 in Minnesota.  He continues to pile up the injuries and is nowhere near 80%.  Now you can question why Stefanski hasn't played Case Keenum but maybe he knows he lost his horseshoe in Philly because he was there?  

The Browns are a run first team and both starting RB's have also been out for good chunks of this season.  

Then of course you add the WR core that consisted of a wildly overrated malcontent in OBJ and Landry who is also often injured.  Their skill positions on offense have been decimated this year.  Defense is pretty good and keeping them in games.  

So, in summary, Stefanski is getting tested in his second year attempting to turn around a losing organization.  Still in position, despite a decimated offense, to win 8-9 games and make the playoffs.  If that happens, I say well done.  

Now back to my glass enclosed team the Vikings :)

Stefanski is as snakebit as Zimmer...Imagine that? 

@"Wetlander" said: Weird how Zimmer gets crucified for being good every other year, but Stefanski is getting a pass? 6-10, 11-5, and 6-6 so far...

And for being an offensive guru, the offense is what is holding back an extremely talented Browns team?  Look at their defense...  It's loaded and performing.

I like Stefanski and think he's a good coach. Just pointing out hypocrisy when I see it.  ;-)

I think Stefanski is getting a pass this year is because of all of their injuries. When Nick Chubb is 100% healthy their offense is so much better, but that's also when Baker is 100% healthy too. Both are not healthy and Baker flat out sucks this year. If they miss the playoffs I think he will get some heat in the offseason going into next year.

Setting injuries aside and just reviewing common opponents so far….
At least he beat the Bengals, Bears and us. We beat the Chargers and Packers (they are yet to play them)
Just saying

Glad you pointed out that the Browns are a run first team, Minny...  sure seems like Stefanski's run-first philosophy wasn't a Zimmer mandate like many fans complained.  The Browns offense sure looks eerily similar to the Vikings offense when Stefanski was the OC for the last half of 2018 and 2019.

Maybe Zimmer doesn't have as much say in the offensive game plan and game day playcalling as fans like to think.

@"DeepFreeze05" said:

Although it is early, he deserves some credit for having some success as a Cleveland Browns coach. I mean his team did beat the Vikings and at least they are at .500.

History has repeatedly shown it is not easy being a Browns coach.

W/L record2020: 11-5, plus the team's first playoff win in 25 years (Stafansky)
2019: 6-102018: 7-82017: 0-162016: 1-152015: 3-132014: 7-92013: 4-122012: 5-112011: 4-122010: 5-112009: 5-112008: 4-122007: 10-6 <-----last winning season2006: 4-122005: 6-102004: 4-122003: 5-112002: 9-7
2001: 7-92000: 3-131999: 2-14

The last time the Browns were above .500 in back to back years was 1988 (10-6) and 1989 (9-6-1).  So over 30 years ago!!  The Browns are currently 6-6 with a very tough schedule remaining after their bye.  If Stefanski manages to get them to 9 wins it will be a very good coaching job in back to back seasons - IMO.  Not sure why some fans are hoping he fails or trying to say that after taking over a horrible franchise he hasn't done well.  He is a season and a half into his first HC job after working his way through the ranks with the Vikings for 13 years.  I am pulling for him to succeed.  

@"Wetlander" said: Glad you pointed out that the Browns are a run first team, Minny...  sure seems like Stefanski's run-first philosophy wasn't a Zimmer mandate like many fans complained.  The Browns offense sure looks eerily similar to the Vikings offense when Stefanski was the OC for the last half of 2018 and 2019.

Maybe Zimmer doesn't have as much say in the offensive game plan and game day playcalling as fans like to think.

Yea when you are hired 2 years removed from your new team drafting Mayfield and Chubb and building a good young OL you are going to be a run first team.  Then you add the problems they have had with injuries/head case OBJ and they don't have the WR core that we do either.  So it made sense last year, and so far this year, to be a run first offense for the Browns. Last year was Stefanski's first draft and they did not have a 1st rounder.  I looked real quick and I think they drafted almost all Defense.  This past draft, his second, they went CB - Newsome in the first and then the LB/S Notre in the second, they finally drafted a WR in the 3rd round.    I am not sure of Zimmer's influence over Stefanski but he sure seems focused on continuing to build their Defense (his first - first round pick was a CB :) and use what he inherited on Offense.  

@"minny65" said:

@"Wetlander" said: Glad you pointed out that the Browns are a run first team, Minny...  sure seems like Stefanski's run-first philosophy wasn't a Zimmer mandate like many fans complained.  The Browns offense sure looks eerily similar to the Vikings offense when Stefanski was the OC for the last half of 2018 and 2019.

Maybe Zimmer doesn't have as much say in the offensive game plan and game day playcalling as fans like to think.

Yea when you are hired 2 years removed from your new team drafting Mayfield and Chubb and building a good young OL you are going to be a run first team.  Then you add the problems they have had with injuries/head case OBJ and they don't have the WR core that we do either.  So it made sense last year, and so far this year, to be a run first offense for the Browns. Last year was Stefanski's first draft and they did not have a 1st rounder.  I looked real quick and I think they drafted almost all Defense.  This past draft, his second, they went CB - Newsome in the first and then the LB/S Notre in the second, they finally drafted a WR in the 3rd round.    I am not sure of Zimmer's influence over Stefanski but he sure seems focused on continuing to build their Defense (his first - first round pick was a CB :) and use what he inherited on Offense.  

@"minny65" said:

@"Wetlander" said: Glad you pointed out that the Browns are a run first team, Minny...  sure seems like Stefanski's run-first philosophy wasn't a Zimmer mandate like many fans complained.  The Browns offense sure looks eerily similar to the Vikings offense when Stefanski was the OC for the last half of 2018 and 2019.

Maybe Zimmer doesn't have as much say in the offensive game plan and game day playcalling as fans like to think.

Yea when you are hired 2 years removed from your new team drafting Mayfield and Chubb and building a good young OL you are going to be a run first team.  Then you add the problems they have had with injuries/head case OBJ and they don't have the WR core that we do either.  So it made sense last year, and so far this year, to be a run first offense for the Browns. Last year was Stefanski's first draft and they did not have a 1st rounder.  I looked real quick and I think they drafted almost all Defense.  This past draft, his second, they went CB - Newsome in the first and then the LB/S Notre in the second, they finally drafted a WR in the 3rd round.    I am not sure of Zimmer's influence over Stefanski but he sure seems focused on continuing to build their Defense (his first - first round pick was a CB :) and use what he inherited on Offense.  

@"Wetlander" said:

@"minny65" said:

@"Wetlander" said: Glad you pointed out that the Browns are a run first team, Minny...  sure seems like Stefanski's run-first philosophy wasn't a Zimmer mandate like many fans complained.  The Browns offense sure looks eerily similar to the Vikings offense when Stefanski was the OC for the last half of 2018 and 2019.

Maybe Zimmer doesn't have as much say in the offensive game plan and game day playcalling as fans like to think.

Yea when you are hired 2 years removed from your new team drafting Mayfield and Chubb and building a good young OL you are going to be a run first team.  Then you add the problems they have had with injuries/head case OBJ and they don't have the WR core that we do either.  So it made sense last year, and so far this year, to be a run first offense for the Browns. Last year was Stefanski's first draft and they did not have a 1st rounder.  I looked real quick and I think they drafted almost all Defense.  This past draft, his second, they went CB - Newsome in the first and then the LB/S Notre in the second, they finally drafted a WR in the 3rd round.    I am not sure of Zimmer's influence over Stefanski but he sure seems focused on continuing to build their Defense (his first - first round pick was a CB :) and use what he inherited on Offense.  

Let me just clear this up, I wasn't criticizing Stefanski.  I think he's a very good young coach and has the Browns being competitive and playing well... something that they haven't been in a looooong time.  I just thought this was a good opportunity to point out some hypocrisy from our fans who are giving Stefanski the benefit of the doubt or lamenting that we didn't keep him over Zimmer.

I just find it funny that Stefanski is running his team the same way Zimmer started here and people love Stefanski but hate Zimmer.  It's odd too because Stefanski ran off his best WR (Odell) because he couldn't get him the ball enough...  seems eerily similar to our own Diggs situation but Stefanski doesn't get blamed at all but Zimmer is a dinosaur who doesn't know offense...  :-)