Edited: keeping things in perspective...

He said a while back he was taking a break from this. I am leaning in the same direction as I don't have a lot of desire to be a fan of a team that continues to employ Zimmer. This crap is too draining

@"Hawkvike25" said: He said a while back he was taking a break from this. I am leaning in the same direction as I don't have a lot of desire to be a fan of a team that continues to employ Zimmer. This crap is too draining

I dont blame Barr....

It's 11/2/21 with 10 games left, but already feels like this season is about pulling an upset here or there vs being a contender. 

That song got stale years ago. 

I'm deflated for sure. Apathetic now. Nothing different about this song. 

Same here.
Sunday night I told myself I'm not watching this upcoming game. Or at least not all of it. I'll track it on my phone and if I wanna watch the second half I will. That probably sounds typical for most fans but if I stick to this, it'll be the first game I purposefully skipped in over 10 years I bet.
The frustrating part is I really could see this team winning this week or the following and looking great. But-- and I never thought I'd say this-- I don't know if I even want them to. We need massive organizational changes and I'm scared if we finish .500 that those changes will get once again delayed. So it's a weird place to be in as a fan, and not a fun one.

@"pattersaur" said:

Same here. Sunday night I told myself I'm not watching this upcoming game. Or at least not all of it. I'll track it on my phone and if I wanna watch the second half I will. That probably sounds typical for most fans but if I stick to this, it'll be the first game I purposefully skipped in over 10 years I bet. The frustrating part is I really could see this team winning this week or the following and looking great. But-- and I never thought I'd say this-- I don't know if I even want them to. We need massive organizational changes and I'm scared if we finish .500 that those changes will get once again delayed. So it's a weird place to be in as a fan, and not a fun one.

I was all for giving Zimmer a covid pass since we really had such a weird year last year.  We should have made the change last year.  This entire year is a waste.  Zimmer doesn't even seem like he wants to be there which is what I find soooooooo frustrating. 

I know Barr attended the nearly blown Carolina game, I’m sure that rekindled that Vikings fire…! ;) B)  

Zimmer has been a crank for years. The fact that he doesn't seem to have any ties to the community other than on game day is troubling. He wants to win to vindicate himself. Giant chip on his shoulder, stubborn, and unapproachable. I get the feeling he knows this isn't going to work in MN, and is setting the table to be a SOB to everyone until they're forced to can him. Then he'll carry that bitterness with him like badge of honor.

@"mgobluevikes" said: Zimmer has been a crank for years. He wants to win to vindicate himself. Giant chip on his shoulder, stubborn, and unapproachable. 

I liked the cranky in him too Savvie - but that was when they were winning and it fit so well with his D credentials and pedigree.

D guys have to be cranky!

Not much more to be said really. Fans all over this board have pretty much nailed it. 

Looking back:
Snakebit as hell, Diggs forcing a trade, Dont think Zimm ever wanted KC here or spending big $$ on a QB, churning through OC's like candy, probably too loyal to vets and yet he's tossed players under the bus publicly, the vaccine schism, some of the players venting snark in the media? Old and worn schemes, poor game management...

I just dont think Eagan is a happy place, maybe hasn't been for a while now. 

And then....Every once an a while they pull out an upset and play hard for Zimmer and themselves. 

Go figure (shrug). 

This truly does feel like the beginning of the end of the Mike Zimmer era in MN. I really wanted Mike to win the big one here too. 

@"purplefaithful" said: Not much more to be said really. Fans all over this board have pretty much nailed it. 

No they haven't. 

Looking back:
Snakebit as hell,
Bud Grant lost 4 SB's.  Does it get more snake-bit?  &  He's on Mt Vikemore. 

 Diggs forcing a trade,
I loved Diggs.  He's not bigger than the team.  

Dont think Zimm ever wanted KC
And he seemed to have man- love  for Teddy.  (I didn't, but wtf cares?) 
Point is....what's the point?  KC has been solid.  
He couldn't wait to get rid of Case....inexplicably (imo)....but he's a "D" guy....

here or spending big $$ on a QB, churning through OC's like candy,
Howzit Zim's fault OC's got promoted to other teams?  (Schurmer/Stef)  Or got fired/left? (Norv/De-Flip)
This board had a near-orgasmic response to Kubes, Sr.  Remember?  

 probably too loyal to vets
Barr (his 1st draft choice, I think)  Smith.  Who else?  

and yet he's tossed players under the bus publicly
Who?  

 the vaccine schism
He was pro-vax.  What could possibly be schismatic about that?  (;) ) 

 some of the players venting snark in the media?
Who?  Diggs and maybe now Thielen?  Run your pansy routes and stfu.
Ya'll are lucky Rick didn't draft DK-Met (went with ISJ, lol)) who would've made you squat in a corner.  

Old and worn schemes, poor game management...
I just dont think Eagan is a happy place, maybe hasn't been for a while now. 
WTF cares?  
AND, at 3-4, it shouldn't be a happy place.  So we agree on that?  

And then....Every once an a while they pull out an upset and play hard for Zimmer and themselves. 
Go figure (shrug). 
That's just it.  They are playing hard.  Prolly for their own NFL lives...but I'm not convinced of a schism/mutiny...or anything close. 
3-4 sucks, I agree.  I also agree our O is too predictable.  
We've also been in EVERY game, this year.  

I sit in Jowja, home of the #1 team in college football.  
How #1?  
Stifling....STIFLING defense...and (per usual, Ga grows RB's like peaches/cotton/pecans)  a strong running game. 
Howz about that?  D & running game leading the collegiate ranks.  
Let's face it....Stetson Bennett IV  couldn't win a state championship, let alone a national championship.  

Zimmer's record on D ranks with Vikes: 

2015:  5
2016:  6
2017:  1
2018:  9
2019:  5
2020:  29
2021:  6   thus far.....  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/opp.htm

Throw out 2020...and Zim has given you an average top 5 defense.  

Zimmer's run offense on O with Vikes: 

2015:  4
2016:  32
2017:  10
2018:  30
2019:  6
2020:  5
2021:  10

The two outlier years included:  14 ranked run offense averaged. 
Throw out 32 and 30....ranked 7th over Zim's career. 

If we're following Jowja's template....ZIM's ON THE CUTTING EDGE OF THE FOOTBALL GREATNESS FORMULA!!!

You guys wanna bail on Zim when he's 3-4/competitive?  
Go right ahead.  

Pardon me if some of us  will give him a bit of a longer leash.  
 

@"JimmyinSD" said: just because this is one of the few things Barr and I tend to agree on,  and hes been absent for a while....

@"savannahskol" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Not much more to be said really. Fans all over this board have pretty much nailed it. 

No they haven't. 

Looking back:
Snakebit as hell,
Bud Grant lost 4 SB's.  Does it get more snake-bit?  &  He's on Mt Vikemore. 

 Diggs forcing a trade,
I loved Diggs.  He's not bigger than the team.  

Dont think Zimm ever wanted KC
And he seemed to have man- love  for Teddy.  (I didn't, but wtf cares?) 
Point is....what's the point?  KC has been solid.  
He couldn't wait to get rid of Case....inexplicably (imo)....but he's a "D" guy....

here or spending big $$ on a QB, churning through OC's like candy,
Howzit Zim's fault OC's got promoted to other teams?  (Schurmer/Stef)  Or got fired/left? (Norv/De-Flip)
This board had a near-orgasmic response to Kubes, Sr.  Remember?  

 probably too loyal to vets
Barr (his 1st draft choice, I think)  Smith.  Who else?  

and yet he's tossed players under the bus publicly
Who?  

 the vaccine schism
He was pro-vax.  What could possibly be schismatic about that?  (;) ) 

 some of the players venting snark in the media?
Who?  Diggs and maybe now Thielen?  Run your pansy routes and stfu.
Ya'll are lucky Rick didn't draft DK-Met (went with ISJ, lol)) who would've made you squat in a corner.  

Old and worn schemes, poor game management...
I just dont think Eagan is a happy place, maybe hasn't been for a while now. 
WTF cares?  
AND, at 3-4, it shouldn't be a happy place.  So we agree on that?  

And then....Every once an a while they pull out an upset and play hard for Zimmer and themselves. 
Go figure (shrug). 
That's just it.  They are playing hard.  Prolly for their own NFL lives...but I'm not convinced of a schism/mutiny...or anything close. 
3-4 sucks, I agree.  I also agree our O is too predictable.  
We've also been in EVERY game, this year.  

I sit in Jowja, home of the #1 team in college football.  
How #1?  
Stifling....STIFLING defense...and (per usual, Ga grows RB's like peaches/cotton/pecans)  a strong running game. 
Howz about that?  D & running game leading the collegiate ranks.  
Let's face it....Stetson Bennett IV  couldn't win a state championship, let alone a national championship.  

Zimmer's record on D ranks with Vikes: 

2015:  5
2016:  6
2017:  1
2018:  9
2019:  5
2020:  29
2021:  6   thus far.....  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/opp.htm

Throw out 2020...and Zim has given you an average top 5 defense.  

Zimmer's run offense on O with Vikes: 

2015:  4
2016:  32
2017:  10
2018:  30
2019:  6
2020:  5
2021:  10

The two outlier years included:  14 ranked run offense averaged. 
Throw out 32 and 30....ranked 7th over Zim's career. 

If we're following Jowja's template....ZIM's ON THE CUTTING EDGE OF THE FOOTBALL GREATNESS FORMULA!!!

You guys wanna bail on Zim when he's 3-4/competitive?  
Go right ahead.  

Pardon me if some of us  will give him a bit of a longer leash.  
 

@"savannahskol" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Not much more to be said really. Fans all over this board have pretty much nailed it. 

No they haven't. 

Looking back:
Snakebit as hell,
Bud Grant lost 4 SB's.  Does it get more snake-bit?  &  He's on Mt Vikemore. 

 Diggs forcing a trade,
I loved Diggs.  He's not bigger than the team.  

Dont think Zimm ever wanted KC
And he seemed to have man- love  for Teddy.  (I didn't, but wtf cares?) 
Point is....what's the point?  KC has been solid.  
He couldn't wait to get rid of Case....inexplicably (imo)....but he's a "D" guy....

here or spending big $$ on a QB, churning through OC's like candy,
Howzit Zim's fault OC's got promoted to other teams?  (Schurmer/Stef)  Or got fired/left? (Norv/De-Flip)
This board had a near-orgasmic response to Kubes, Sr.  Remember?  

 probably too loyal to vets
Barr (his 1st draft choice, I think)  Smith.  Who else?  

and yet he's tossed players under the bus publicly
Who?  

 the vaccine schism
He was pro-vax.  What could possibly be schismatic about that?  (;) ) 

 some of the players venting snark in the media?
Who?  Diggs and maybe now Thielen?  Run your pansy routes and stfu.
Ya'll are lucky Rick didn't draft DK-Met (went with ISJ, lol)) who would've made you squat in a corner.  

Old and worn schemes, poor game management...
I just dont think Eagan is a happy place, maybe hasn't been for a while now. 
WTF cares?  
AND, at 3-4, it shouldn't be a happy place.  So we agree on that?  

And then....Every once an a while they pull out an upset and play hard for Zimmer and themselves. 
Go figure (shrug). 
That's just it.  They are playing hard.  Prolly for their own NFL lives...but I'm not convinced of a schism/mutiny...or anything close. 
3-4 sucks, I agree.  I also agree our O is too predictable.  
We've also been in EVERY game, this year.  

I sit in Jowja, home of the #1 team in college football.  
How #1?  
Stifling....STIFLING defense...and (per usual, Ga grows RB's like peaches/cotton/pecans)  a strong running game. 
Howz about that?  D & running game leading the collegiate ranks.  
Let's face it....Stetson Bennett IV  couldn't win a state championship, let alone a national championship.  

Zimmer's record on D ranks with Vikes: 

2015:  5
2016:  6
2017:  1
2018:  9
2019:  5
2020:  29
2021:  6   thus far.....  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/opp.htm

Throw out 2020...and Zim has given you an average top 5 defense.  

Zimmer's run offense on O with Vikes: 

2015:  4
2016:  32
2017:  10
2018:  30
2019:  6
2020:  5
2021:  10

The two outlier years included:  14 ranked run offense averaged. 
Throw out 32 and 30....ranked 7th over Zim's career. 

If we're following Jowja's template....ZIM's ON THE CUTTING EDGE OF THE FOOTBALL GREATNESS FORMULA!!!

You guys wanna bail on Zim when he's 3-4/competitive?  
Go right ahead.  

Pardon me if some of us  will give him a bit of a longer leash.  
 

@"RS Express" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: just because this is one of the few things Barr and I tend to agree on,  and hes been absent for a while....

A meme saying "people weren't so f*cking stupid"  using the image of a guy who smoked himself to death.  OK...  :p

First time in memory I am to the point that I really don't care.

A lot of upheaval in my life, my wife died recently, getting ready to retire.

This team is so frustrating it's like...eh!!

@"1VikesFan" said: First time in memory I am to the point that I really don't care.

A lot of upheaval in my life, my wife died recently, getting ready to retire.

This team is so frustrating it's like...eh!!

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"1VikesFan" said: First time in memory I am to the point that I really don't care.

A lot of upheaval in my life, my wife died recently, getting ready to retire.

This team is so frustrating it's like...eh!!

That's tough @1....My condolences

@"1VikesFan" said: First time in memory I am to the point that I really don't care.

A lot of upheaval in my life, my wife died recently, getting ready to retire.

This team is so frustrating it's like...eh!!

My prayers are with you for you loss.

@"1VikesFan" said: First time in memory I am to the point that I really don't care.

A lot of upheaval in my life, my wife died recently, getting ready to retire.

This team is so frustrating it's like...eh!!

@"1VikesFan" said:
First time in memory I am to the point that I really don't care.

A lot of upheaval in my life, my wife died recently, getting ready to retire.

This team is so frustrating it's like...eh!!