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If this is what the fans want,  start today but don't put a toe in,  really commit to the rebuild and trade assets on short term deals and players that will have short careers and can bring some real value.   What would Cook bring on trade today?  Harry, Barr, maybe even AT.  If they aren't going to be here for the next run or will be beyond their prime they should be in play IMO.

@"JimmyinSD" said: If this is what the fans want,  start today but don't put a toe in,  really commit to the rebuild and trade assets on short term deals and players that will have short careers and can bring some real value.   What would Cook bring on trade today?  Harry, Barr, maybe even AT.  If they aren't going to be here for the next run or will be beyond their prime they should be in play IMO.

It'll be interesting to see if they gut the roster or not, my guess is they won't although they probably should. I don't have anything hardcore against Rick, but he was promoted to general manager in 2012 after spending 2006–2011 as the team's vice president of player personnel. 15 years being involved with picking players at some level in Minnesota. He's done well in some areas, ok in others and not great in a few: it probably could be said for most NFL GMs outside of the blatantly horrible ones. It might be just time for someone different in that role when Zimmer gets ousted. Get a duo of HC/GM that know of each other, are aligned with how to move forward and will be aggressive and on trend with today's NFL. 

They got to try something,  this shit isn't working.

They're not only bad, they're boring.

@"Knucklehead" said: They're not only bad, they're boring.

That might be worse in today's NFL with younger fans. 

We will lose talented offensive players like we did Percy and Diggs. They just got feed up with our vanilla conservative offense.

@"JimmyinSD" said: If this is what the fans want,  start today but don't put a toe in,  really commit to the rebuild and trade assets on short term deals and players that will have short careers and can bring some real value.   What would Cook bring on trade today?  Harry, Barr, maybe even AT.  If they aren't going to be here for the next run or will be beyond their prime they should be in play IMO.

To me, the only guys I wouldn't trade are Jefferson, Irv Smith and our OL on offense and Hunter, Kendricks on defense.
However, Zim is going to want to win to save his job so I doubt anyone is available for future consideration.

Even if the Vikings somehow string together some upset wins and get to the playoffs.  No way in hell they are a Super Bowl team.

I don’t think we are in a rebuilding situation really.  I think we are looking more for a guy who can
provide the spark to win with the guys we have.

At this point I’d start shopping Cousins to see what offers
are on the table.  I don’t think it makes
sense to fire Zimmer midseason, but I’d start looking at candidates for next
season.

I think younger and more aggressive seem to be the
attributes I’d be looking for.

@"medaille" said: I don’t think we are in a rebuilding situation really.  I think we are looking more for a guy who can provide the spark to win with the guys we have.

At this point I’d start shopping Cousins to see what offers
are on the table.  I don’t think it makes
sense to fire Zimmer midseason, but I’d start looking at candidates for next
season.

I think younger and more aggressive seem to be the
attributes I’d be looking for.

What makes you think we can win with any one of these new kids throwing the ball?  All the QB's drafted this year suck so far.  Why get rid of the best guy at the most important position that we've had in a decade?

@"medaille" said: I don’t think we are in a rebuilding situation really.  I think we are looking more for a guy who can provide the spark to win with the guys we have.

At this point I’d start shopping Cousins to see what offers
are on the table.  I don’t think it makes
sense to fire Zimmer midseason, but I’d start looking at candidates for next
season.

I think younger and more aggressive seem to be the
attributes I’d be looking for.

you have to move Zimmer out,  if you want to really see what you have in players you need to see coaches coaching for their future,  and ones that arent handcuffed with Zimmers vision of how the game should be played/coached.  If we are serious about seeing a return ( or really any interest ) on Cousins,  IMO we need to be willing to eat 10 to 15 of next years salary.  I wonder what the Saints would be willing to give up for him right now?

I go along with a rebuild,  since many of our guys are on 1 year deals, and any new regime will need a year or two to get their shit together,  we need to move on from aging playes or guys that might have value now,  but not much left in the tank in 23/24 ( i am thinking Cook right here)  

Outside of Kendricks, Barr there isnt much special over on D anymore. Some nice pieces - very few "big knockers" as Burnsie would say. 

Man, anyone watch Micah Parsons last night? Viking need them some guys like that again. 

@"AGRforever" said:

@"medaille" said: I don’t think we are in a rebuilding situation really.  I think we are looking more for a guy who can provide the spark to win with the guys we have.

At this point I’d start shopping Cousins to see what offers
are on the table.  I don’t think it makes
sense to fire Zimmer midseason, but I’d start looking at candidates for next
season.

I think younger and more aggressive seem to be the
attributes I’d be looking for.

What makes you think we can win with any one of these new kids throwing the ball?  All the QB's drafted this year suck so far.  Why get rid of the best guy at the most important position that we've had in a decade?

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"medaille" said: I don’t think we are in a rebuilding situation really.  I think we are looking more for a guy who can provide the spark to win with the guys we have.

At this point I’d start shopping Cousins to see what offers
are on the table.  I don’t think it makes
sense to fire Zimmer midseason, but I’d start looking at candidates for next
season.

I think younger and more aggressive seem to be the
attributes I’d be looking for.

you have to move Zimmer out,  if you want to really see what you have in players you need to see coaches coaching for their future,  and ones that arent handcuffed with Zimmers vision of how the game should be played/coached.  If we are serious about seeing a return ( or really any interest ) on Cousins,  IMO we need to be willing to eat 10 to 15 of next years salary.  I wonder what the Saints would be willing to give up for him right now?

I go along with a rebuild,  since many of our guys are on 1 year deals, and any new regime will need a year or two to get their shit together,  we need to move on from aging playes or guys that might have value now,  but not much left in the tank in 23/24 ( i am thinking Cook right here)  

If they go with significantly different schemes, they may need to re-tool the roster quite a bit. 

They still have TEN games to go this year - ugh

@"purplefaithful" said: If they go with significantly different schemes, they may need to re-tool the roster quite a bit. 

They still have TEN games to go this year - ugh

10 games that right now they will be lucky to win 3.  Its time to quit fucking around in hopes that the lights come on for (insert favorite kicked can here) , or the OL gels,  or the DL gets healthy, or the  or the or the.  This shit has to end in order to get something better.  Its become pretty damn obvious that the current plan is a bad one and has no flexibility built in. (somebody told me once "all good plans are flexible",  truer words were never spoken IMO)

@"AGRforever" said:

@"medaille" said: I don’t think we are in a rebuilding situation really.  I think we are looking more for a guy who can provide the spark to win with the guys we have.

At this point I’d start shopping Cousins to see what offers
are on the table.  I don’t think it makes
sense to fire Zimmer midseason, but I’d start looking at candidates for next
season.

I think younger and more aggressive seem to be the
attributes I’d be looking for.

What makes you think we can win with any one of these new kids throwing the ball?  All the QB's drafted this year suck so far.  Why get rid of the best guy at the most important position that we've had in a decade?

@"purplefaithful" said: If they go with significantly different schemes, they may need to re-tool the roster quite a bit. 

They still have TEN games to go this year - ugh

What have I done to deserve 10 more games.  I mean I do have a few skeletons in my backyard and do play rambo/militia man on the weekends when I should be home with my 5 kids and their 5 moms but seriously 10 more games of this crap....I might start a march or a peaceful demonstration/riot instead anyone in?  I am banned on all other sites so we would need to communicate through some sort of code...let's use our offensive game planas our base code.  When I say Cousins screen to Ham...I really mean, I'll meet you at the stadium.  Not sure which one yet so let's talk further.