So......
Who's Minnesota's new head coach going to be next year? I think fanbase tide has finally turned with a majority wanting him gone for the first time. His play calling got booed last Sunday.
@"prairieghost" said: I vote for Kellen Moore.Seconded. Though I have heard this may be a Josh McDaniels-Patriots situation where Dallas will move heaven and earth to keep Moore in the building. I hope not, because he seems the obvious top choice.
I third the Kellen moore vibe. Would love to see an offense that will attack.
Daboll the OC for Buffalo. After watching Darnold resurrect his career in Carolina, also add Joe Brady, their OC to the list.
I like Daboll and Moore. With Bieniemy, I think that's mostly Reid's offense.
Curious to see what the offense looks like against Carolina. Does Zim finally get the message? It's been sent to him a few times now over the last few seasons without him really getting it. Or he gets it, but is too stubborn to listen.
https://fansided.com/2021/09/28/cowboys-kellen-moore-head-coach-rumors/2/
I would like Joe Brady. I would not like Bieniemy.
My only criteria is not to hire a coach that has kicked around the NFL and has "paid his dues" -- Childress and Zimmer. Brady and Moore would be my front runners. It will be interesting to see how they feel about Bieniemy as he coached here (but he is closing in on "paid his dues" status).
@"MaroonBells" said: I like Daboll and Moore. With Bieniemy, I think that's mostly Reid's offense.Curious to see what the offense looks like against Carolina. Does Zim finally get the message? It's been sent to him a few times now over the last few seasons without him really getting it. Or he gets it, but is too stubborn to listen.
https://fansided.com/2021/09/28/cowboys-kellen-moore-head-coach-rumors/2/
wasnt he quoted, shortly after he was hired, as saying if he fails he will do it his own way, he wasnt going to let outside pressures weigh in on his coaching and play calling? (paraphrasing here obviously)
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MaroonBells" said: I like Daboll and Moore. With Bieniemy, I think that's mostly Reid's offense.Curious to see what the offense looks like against Carolina. Does Zim finally get the message? It's been sent to him a few times now over the last few seasons without him really getting it. Or he gets it, but is too stubborn to listen.
https://fansided.com/2021/09/28/cowboys-kellen-moore-head-coach-rumors/2/
wasnt he quoted, shortly after he was hired, as saying if he fails he will do it his own way, he wasnt going to let outside pressures weigh in on his coaching and play calling? (paraphrasing here obviously)
What scares me about that quote is that I believe Childress said the same exact thing.
@"PurpleCrush" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MaroonBells" said: I like Daboll and Moore. With Bieniemy, I think that's mostly Reid's offense.Curious to see what the offense looks like against Carolina. Does Zim finally get the message? It's been sent to him a few times now over the last few seasons without him really getting it. Or he gets it, but is too stubborn to listen.
https://fansided.com/2021/09/28/cowboys-kellen-moore-head-coach-rumors/2/
wasnt he quoted, shortly after he was hired, as saying if he fails he will do it his own way, he wasnt going to let outside pressures weigh in on his coaching and play calling? (paraphrasing here obviously)
What scares me about that quote is that I believe Childress said the same exact thing.
Yes, I have often posted that Zimmer is the defensive equivalent to Childress -- both stubborn old men.
@"VikingOracle" said:@"PurpleCrush" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MaroonBells" said: I like Daboll and Moore. With Bieniemy, I think that's mostly Reid's offense.Curious to see what the offense looks like against Carolina. Does Zim finally get the message? It's been sent to him a few times now over the last few seasons without him really getting it. Or he gets it, but is too stubborn to listen.
https://fansided.com/2021/09/28/cowboys-kellen-moore-head-coach-rumors/2/
wasnt he quoted, shortly after he was hired, as saying if he fails he will do it his own way, he wasnt going to let outside pressures weigh in on his coaching and play calling? (paraphrasing here obviously)
What scares me about that quote is that I believe Childress said the same exact thing.
Yes, I have often posted that Zimmer is the defensive equivalent to Childress -- both stubborn old men.
and both needed top level talent to really bring their genius for the game to fruition. to me its truly exceptional coaches that can get great results out of average players.
@"VikingOracle" said:@"PurpleCrush" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MaroonBells" said: I like Daboll and Moore. With Bieniemy, I think that's mostly Reid's offense.Curious to see what the offense looks like against Carolina. Does Zim finally get the message? It's been sent to him a few times now over the last few seasons without him really getting it. Or he gets it, but is too stubborn to listen.
https://fansided.com/2021/09/28/cowboys-kellen-moore-head-coach-rumors/2/
wasnt he quoted, shortly after he was hired, as saying if he fails he will do it his own way, he wasnt going to let outside pressures weigh in on his coaching and play calling? (paraphrasing here obviously)
What scares me about that quote is that I believe Childress said the same exact thing.
Yes, I have often posted that Zimmer is the defensive equivalent to Childress -- both stubborn old men.
I like Zimmer, and think he's a good head coach, but his stubbornness (mostly on the offensive side of the ball) is going to be his downfall. Now, if they don't turn it around and he finally gets canned....then he can at least walk out singing My Way.
@"VikingOracle" said:@"PurpleCrush" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MaroonBells" said: I like Daboll and Moore. With Bieniemy, I think that's mostly Reid's offense.Curious to see what the offense looks like against Carolina. Does Zim finally get the message? It's been sent to him a few times now over the last few seasons without him really getting it. Or he gets it, but is too stubborn to listen.
https://fansided.com/2021/09/28/cowboys-kellen-moore-head-coach-rumors/2/
wasnt he quoted, shortly after he was hired, as saying if he fails he will do it his own way, he wasnt going to let outside pressures weigh in on his coaching and play calling? (paraphrasing here obviously)
What scares me about that quote is that I believe Childress said the same exact thing.
Yes, I have often posted that Zimmer is the defensive equivalent to Childress -- both stubborn old men.
Childress had AD and Favre and screwed that up. Childress was a fraud, spoke of accountability and allowed Favre to run the show. And then sent players to beg farve to come back.Zimmer's players like playing for him. They come back for backup positions and cheaper deals. The results in the season haven't been there, but at least he seems to honestly care about the players.
@"greediron" said:@"VikingOracle" said:@"PurpleCrush" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MaroonBells" said: I like Daboll and Moore. With Bieniemy, I think that's mostly Reid's offense.Curious to see what the offense looks like against Carolina. Does Zim finally get the message? It's been sent to him a few times now over the last few seasons without him really getting it. Or he gets it, but is too stubborn to listen.
https://fansided.com/2021/09/28/cowboys-kellen-moore-head-coach-rumors/2/
wasnt he quoted, shortly after he was hired, as saying if he fails he will do it his own way, he wasnt going to let outside pressures weigh in on his coaching and play calling? (paraphrasing here obviously)
What scares me about that quote is that I believe Childress said the same exact thing.
Yes, I have often posted that Zimmer is the defensive equivalent to Childress -- both stubborn old men.
Childress had AD and Favre and screwed that up. Childress was a fraud, spoke of accountability and allowed Favre to run the show. And then sent players to beg farve to come back.Zimmer's players like playing for him. They come back for backup positions and cheaper deals. The results in the season haven't been there, but at least he seems to honestly care about the players.
Agreed and this is why so many-- including myself-- supported him for years. But like you said, the results aren't there. Vikes gotta move on at some point, and that point might be this December.
@"pattersaur" said:@"greediron" said:@"VikingOracle" said:@"PurpleCrush" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MaroonBells" said: I like Daboll and Moore. With Bieniemy, I think that's mostly Reid's offense.Curious to see what the offense looks like against Carolina. Does Zim finally get the message? It's been sent to him a few times now over the last few seasons without him really getting it. Or he gets it, but is too stubborn to listen.
https://fansided.com/2021/09/28/cowboys-kellen-moore-head-coach-rumors/2/
wasnt he quoted, shortly after he was hired, as saying if he fails he will do it his own way, he wasnt going to let outside pressures weigh in on his coaching and play calling? (paraphrasing here obviously)
What scares me about that quote is that I believe Childress said the same exact thing.
Yes, I have often posted that Zimmer is the defensive equivalent to Childress -- both stubborn old men.
Childress had AD and Favre and screwed that up. Childress was a fraud, spoke of accountability and allowed Favre to run the show. And then sent players to beg farve to come back.Zimmer's players like playing for him. They come back for backup positions and cheaper deals. The results in the season haven't been there, but at least he seems to honestly care about the players.
Agreed and this is why so many-- including myself-- supported him for years. But like you said, the results aren't there. Vikes gotta move on at some point, and that point might be this December.
I am at the 'Meh' point with him. I liked him, think he is a great defensive mind. But at some points need to see the consistent results. But then again, it can always get worse. Childress, Frazier are easy reminders. And Belichick took a while to get it figured out, then he won 50% of the superbowls over 12 years. Much of that was Brady, but he had the system in place to let Brady succeed. You don't win consistently by changing coaches.
@"greediron" said:@"VikingOracle" said:@"PurpleCrush" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MaroonBells" said: I like Daboll and Moore. With Bieniemy, I think that's mostly Reid's offense.Curious to see what the offense looks like against Carolina. Does Zim finally get the message? It's been sent to him a few times now over the last few seasons without him really getting it. Or he gets it, but is too stubborn to listen.
https://fansided.com/2021/09/28/cowboys-kellen-moore-head-coach-rumors/2/
wasnt he quoted, shortly after he was hired, as saying if he fails he will do it his own way, he wasnt going to let outside pressures weigh in on his coaching and play calling? (paraphrasing here obviously)
What scares me about that quote is that I believe Childress said the same exact thing.
Yes, I have often posted that Zimmer is the defensive equivalent to Childress -- both stubborn old men.
Childress had AD and Favre and screwed that up. Childress was a fraud, spoke of accountability and allowed Favre to run the show. And then sent players to beg farve to come back.Zimmer's players like playing for him. They come back for backup positions and cheaper deals. The results in the season haven't been there, but at least he seems to honestly care about the players.
No disrespect, but I am not sure you can say Zimmer keeps the players accountable. Breeland's play and off the field actions and yet he starts. Dozier's play last year (and thank god he came back for a backup position and a cheaper deal). Jefferson hardly saw the field until Bisi was injured. O'Neill didn't see the field until Hill was injured. And lets not forget Newman's mutiny. https://www.sbnation.com/2016/12/26/14081810/vikings-cornerback-terence-newman-xavier-rhodes-mike-zimmer-game-plan. https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/226467/vikings-coach-mike-zimmers-explanation-doesnt-add-up.
@"VikingOracle" said:@"greediron" said:@"VikingOracle" said:@"PurpleCrush" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MaroonBells" said: I like Daboll and Moore. With Bieniemy, I think that's mostly Reid's offense.Curious to see what the offense looks like against Carolina. Does Zim finally get the message? It's been sent to him a few times now over the last few seasons without him really getting it. Or he gets it, but is too stubborn to listen.
https://fansided.com/2021/09/28/cowboys-kellen-moore-head-coach-rumors/2/
wasnt he quoted, shortly after he was hired, as saying if he fails he will do it his own way, he wasnt going to let outside pressures weigh in on his coaching and play calling? (paraphrasing here obviously)
What scares me about that quote is that I believe Childress said the same exact thing.
Yes, I have often posted that Zimmer is the defensive equivalent to Childress -- both stubborn old men.
Childress had AD and Favre and screwed that up. Childress was a fraud, spoke of accountability and allowed Favre to run the show. And then sent players to beg farve to come back.Zimmer's players like playing for him. They come back for backup positions and cheaper deals. The results in the season haven't been there, but at least he seems to honestly care about the players.
No disrespect, but I am not sure you can say Zimmer keeps the players accountable. Breeland's play and off the field actions and yet he starts. Dozier's play last year (and thank god he came back for a backup position and a cheaper deal). Jefferson hardly saw the field until Bisi was injured. O'Neill didn't see the field until Hill was injured. And lets not forget Newman's mutiny. https://www.sbnation.com/2016/12/26/14081810/vikings-cornerback-terence-newman-xavier-rhodes-mike-zimmer-game-plan. https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/226467/vikings-coach-mike-zimmers-explanation-doesnt-add-up.
I didn't say that, I said childress hammered on that and was a fraud.I would wait and see what happens to Breeland this week. They just returned to practice and Zimmer said they would handle it. Not everything needs to end in "cut em". Breeland was an idiot, but he quickly deleted it. I think Zimmer at least treats the players fairly and that is why they like playing for him.
As to when players play, I really am in no position to call the coaches wrong. I don't have any vision into practice, their grades, why decisions are made. Did Jefferson warrant starting coming in as a rookie with no offseason? That is a tough call to make. O'Neill was a raw rookie project and Hill was a serviceable veteran. Why is that so hard to believe? Dozier is a blemish, but our o-line has been crap for quite a while, so Dozier isn't the only issue there.
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