Wilson v. Cousins

@"MaroonBells" said: Team A: TOP 40 mins, 201 yards rushing, 248 net passing, 31 first downs, 6-14 on 3rd down Team B: TOP 20 mins, 124 yards rushing, 190 net passing, 18 first downs, 0-7 on 3rd down

The answer to why do Viking fans have cardiologists? Team B won the game. Last year's game in Seattle.

@"JR44" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Once again with the clean pocket thing...for the love of God, give the man a clean pocket. 

https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1441107627031760896?s=20

A clean pocket is a rarity in the NFL.  QBs need to be able to read the defense pre snap, have a feel for pressure and move in the pocket, none of what KC does well.  Be the highest rated QB with a clean pocket is not a metric that I would rate a QB by as I want a QB who can operate under pressure.  

Justin Jefferson was in 4th Grade the last time the Vikings beat the Seahawks.

— Dustin Baker (@DustBaker) September 23, 2021

Cousins is a good QB who gets irrationally slammed, despite excellent play and putting points on the board (all that actually matters). He continually drives the team down in scoring position when needed and is good with game winning drives. He’s excellent from clean pockets and bad pockets. We don’t lose games because of Kirk frigging Cousins. 
The reason we lose games is because our defense really really sucks and has for some time. It’s that simple. Our defense is why the Vikings won’t make the playoffs, unless we see a dramatic turnaround. That’s the main reason why our ”defensive guru” coach should probably be shown the door. 

@"Havoc1649" said: Cousins is a good QB who gets irrationally slammed, despite excellent play and putting points on the board (all that actually matters). He continually drives the team down in scoring position when needed and is good with game winning drives. He’s excellent from clean pockets and bad pockets. We don’t lose games because of Kirk frigging Cousins. 

The reason we lose games is because our defense really really sucks and has for some time. It’s that simple. Our defense is why the Vikings won’t make the playoffs, unless we see a dramatic turnaround. That’s the main reason why our ”defensive guru” coach should probably be shown the door. 

@"Wetlander" said:

@"Havoc1649" said: Cousins is a good QB who gets irrationally slammed, despite excellent play and putting points on the board (all that actually matters). He continually drives the team down in scoring position when needed and is good with game winning drives. He’s excellent from clean pockets and bad pockets. We don’t lose games because of Kirk frigging Cousins. 

The reason we lose games is because our defense really really sucks and has for some time. It’s that simple. Our defense is why the Vikings won’t make the playoffs, unless we see a dramatic turnaround. That’s the main reason why our ”defensive guru” coach should probably be shown the door. 

Did you just start watching the Vikings last year?

@"StickyBun" said: I predict a close loss for the Vikings. 

@"Havoc1649" said: Cousins is a good QB who gets irrationally slammed, despite excellent play and putting points on the board (all that actually matters). He continually drives the team down in scoring position when needed and is good with game winning drives. He’s excellent from clean pockets and bad pockets. We don’t lose games because of Kirk frigging Cousins. 

Russell Wilson and Kirk Cousins were in college the last time the Vikings beat the Seahawks.

Dalvin Cook was an 8th grader. pic.twitter.com/XV97mMKxOk

— Ali Siddiqui (@asiddiqui15) September 24, 2021

@"Wetlander" said:

@"Havoc1649" said: Cousins is a good QB who gets irrationally slammed, despite excellent play and putting points on the board (all that actually matters). He continually drives the team down in scoring position when needed and is good with game winning drives. He’s excellent from clean pockets and bad pockets. We don’t lose games because of Kirk frigging Cousins. 

The reason we lose games is because our defense really really sucks and has for some time. It’s that simple. Our defense is why the Vikings won’t make the playoffs, unless we see a dramatic turnaround. That’s the main reason why our ”defensive guru” coach should probably be shown the door. 

Did you just start watching the Vikings last year?

@"DeepFreeze05" said:

@"Havoc1649" said: Cousins is a good QB who gets irrationally slammed, despite excellent play and putting points on the board (all that actually matters). He continually drives the team down in scoring position when needed and is good with game winning drives. He’s excellent from clean pockets and bad pockets. We don’t lose games because of Kirk frigging Cousins. 

I posted the following in another thread earlier this year. The stats are as of the end of last year so that is why I left Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, and Alex Smith on.

Active QBs - Fourth Quarter Comebacks (Career) Tom Brady: 39

Drew Brees: 36

Ben Roethlisberger: 35

Matthew Stafford: 31

Matt Ryan: 30

Philip Rivers: 29

Russel Wilson: 24

Andy Dalton: 23

Ryan Tannelhill: 22

Derek Carr: 21

Alex Smith: 19

Joe Flacco: 18

Aaron Rodgers: 17

Cam Newton: 16

Ryan Fitzpatrick: 13

Kirk Cousins: 11

Matt Schaub: 11

Nick Foles: 10

Marcus Mariota: 9

Carson Wentz: 9

Josh Allen: 8

Deshawn Watson: 8

Blaine Gabbert: 7

Jimmy Garappollo: 7

Jamison Winston: 7

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm

Active QBs - Game Winning Drives (Career)

Drew Brees 53

Tom Brady 48

Ben Roethlisberger 46

Matt Ryan 38

Matthew Stafford 38

Philip Rivers 35

Russell Wilson 31

Andy Dalton 27

Aaron Rodgers 25

Derek Carr 24

Joe Flacco 24

Alex Smith 23

Ryan Tannehill 22

Cam Newton 20

Ryan Fitzpatrick 18

Kirk Cousins 16

Dak Prescott 15

Matt Schaub 14

Nick Foles 12

Josh Allen 11

Marcus Mariota 11

Jameis Winston 11

Case Keenum 10

Deshaun Watson 10

Carson Wentz 10

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_active.htm

A comparison between Kirk Cousins and a then 40-41yrs old Brett Favre.

Minnesota Vikings: Kirk Cousins vs Brett Favre

Cousins: 47 starts - 3 Fourth Quarter Comebacks, 4
Game-Winning Drives
Favre: 29 starts - 3 Fourth Quarter Comebacks, 4
Game-Winning Drives

@"Zanary" said:

@"DeepFreeze05" said:

@"Havoc1649" said: Cousins is a good QB who gets irrationally slammed, despite excellent play and putting points on the board (all that actually matters). He continually drives the team down in scoring position when needed and is good with game winning drives. He’s excellent from clean pockets and bad pockets. We don’t lose games because of Kirk frigging Cousins. 

I posted the following in another thread earlier this year. The stats are as of the end of last year so that is why I left Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, and Alex Smith on.

Active QBs - Fourth Quarter Comebacks (Career) Tom Brady: 39

Drew Brees: 36

Ben Roethlisberger: 35

Matthew Stafford: 31

Matt Ryan: 30

Philip Rivers: 29

Russel Wilson: 24

Andy Dalton: 23

Ryan Tannelhill: 22

Derek Carr: 21

Alex Smith: 19

Joe Flacco: 18

Aaron Rodgers: 17

Cam Newton: 16

Ryan Fitzpatrick: 13

Kirk Cousins: 11

Matt Schaub: 11

Nick Foles: 10

Marcus Mariota: 9

Carson Wentz: 9

Josh Allen: 8

Deshawn Watson: 8

Blaine Gabbert: 7

Jimmy Garappollo: 7

Jamison Winston: 7

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm

Active QBs - Game Winning Drives (Career)

Drew Brees 53

Tom Brady 48

Ben Roethlisberger 46

Matt Ryan 38

Matthew Stafford 38

Philip Rivers 35

Russell Wilson 31

Andy Dalton 27

Aaron Rodgers 25

Derek Carr 24

Joe Flacco 24

Alex Smith 23

Ryan Tannehill 22

Cam Newton 20

Ryan Fitzpatrick 18

Kirk Cousins 16

Dak Prescott 15

Matt Schaub 14

Nick Foles 12

Josh Allen 11

Marcus Mariota 11

Jameis Winston 11

Case Keenum 10

Deshaun Watson 10

Carson Wentz 10

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_active.htm

A comparison between Kirk Cousins and a then 40-41yrs old Brett Favre.

Minnesota Vikings: Kirk Cousins vs Brett Favre

Cousins: 47 starts - 3 Fourth Quarter Comebacks, 4
Game-Winning Drives
Favre: 29 starts - 3 Fourth Quarter Comebacks, 4
Game-Winning Drives

Did Favre have both an o-line and a defense rated in the bottom quarter of the league?

We're two games into this season, and Cousins had us in position to win both times...but, the ball was put in others' hands.

Just some factual, relevant considerations.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Zanary" said:

@"DeepFreeze05" said:

@"Havoc1649" said: Cousins is a good QB who gets irrationally slammed, despite excellent play and putting points on the board (all that actually matters). He continually drives the team down in scoring position when needed and is good with game winning drives. He’s excellent from clean pockets and bad pockets. We don’t lose games because of Kirk frigging Cousins. 

I posted the following in another thread earlier this year. The stats are as of the end of last year so that is why I left Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, and Alex Smith on.

Active QBs - Fourth Quarter Comebacks (Career) Tom Brady: 39

Drew Brees: 36

Ben Roethlisberger: 35

Matthew Stafford: 31

Matt Ryan: 30

Philip Rivers: 29

Russel Wilson: 24

Andy Dalton: 23

Ryan Tannelhill: 22

Derek Carr: 21

Alex Smith: 19

Joe Flacco: 18

Aaron Rodgers: 17

Cam Newton: 16

Ryan Fitzpatrick: 13

Kirk Cousins: 11

Matt Schaub: 11

Nick Foles: 10

Marcus Mariota: 9

Carson Wentz: 9

Josh Allen: 8

Deshawn Watson: 8

Blaine Gabbert: 7

Jimmy Garappollo: 7

Jamison Winston: 7

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm

Active QBs - Game Winning Drives (Career)

Drew Brees 53

Tom Brady 48

Ben Roethlisberger 46

Matt Ryan 38

Matthew Stafford 38

Philip Rivers 35

Russell Wilson 31

Andy Dalton 27

Aaron Rodgers 25

Derek Carr 24

Joe Flacco 24

Alex Smith 23

Ryan Tannehill 22

Cam Newton 20

Ryan Fitzpatrick 18

Kirk Cousins 16

Dak Prescott 15

Matt Schaub 14

Nick Foles 12

Josh Allen 11

Marcus Mariota 11

Jameis Winston 11

Case Keenum 10

Deshaun Watson 10

Carson Wentz 10

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_active.htm

A comparison between Kirk Cousins and a then 40-41yrs old Brett Favre.

Minnesota Vikings: Kirk Cousins vs Brett Favre

Cousins: 47 starts - 3 Fourth Quarter Comebacks, 4
Game-Winning Drives
Favre: 29 starts - 3 Fourth Quarter Comebacks, 4
Game-Winning Drives

Did Favre have both an o-line and a defense rated in the bottom quarter of the league?

We're two games into this season, and Cousins had us in position to win both times...but, the ball was put in others' hands.

Just some factual, relevant considerations.

Seems that having to have a lot of 4th quarter comebacks maybe a sign of not getting it done the first 3 quarters  

I have seen the Cousins royally sucks posts or everyone else does. It's not that simple. It's a team sport. Cousins is a 12 or 13 qb. We know his record against winning teams. We know the ongoing OL issues. The secondary is awful especially Breeland. Peterson is slow. The offensive coordinator is learning on the job. Zimmer is in charge though so he doesn't get a pass. This is it though. He has had plenty of time and some bad luck but this has to be it. 

@"Zanary" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Zanary" said:

@"DeepFreeze05" said:

@"Havoc1649" said: Cousins is a good QB who gets irrationally slammed, despite excellent play and putting points on the board (all that actually matters). He continually drives the team down in scoring position when needed and is good with game winning drives. He’s excellent from clean pockets and bad pockets. We don’t lose games because of Kirk frigging Cousins. 

I posted the following in another thread earlier this year. The stats are as of the end of last year so that is why I left Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, and Alex Smith on.

Active QBs - Fourth Quarter Comebacks (Career) Tom Brady: 39

Drew Brees: 36

Ben Roethlisberger: 35

Matthew Stafford: 31

Matt Ryan: 30

Philip Rivers: 29

Russel Wilson: 24

Andy Dalton: 23

Ryan Tannelhill: 22

Derek Carr: 21

Alex Smith: 19

Joe Flacco: 18

Aaron Rodgers: 17

Cam Newton: 16

Ryan Fitzpatrick: 13

Kirk Cousins: 11

Matt Schaub: 11

Nick Foles: 10

Marcus Mariota: 9

Carson Wentz: 9

Josh Allen: 8

Deshawn Watson: 8

Blaine Gabbert: 7

Jimmy Garappollo: 7

Jamison Winston: 7

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm

Active QBs - Game Winning Drives (Career)

Drew Brees 53

Tom Brady 48

Ben Roethlisberger 46

Matt Ryan 38

Matthew Stafford 38

Philip Rivers 35

Russell Wilson 31

Andy Dalton 27

Aaron Rodgers 25

Derek Carr 24

Joe Flacco 24

Alex Smith 23

Ryan Tannehill 22

Cam Newton 20

Ryan Fitzpatrick 18

Kirk Cousins 16

Dak Prescott 15

Matt Schaub 14

Nick Foles 12

Josh Allen 11

Marcus Mariota 11

Jameis Winston 11

Case Keenum 10

Deshaun Watson 10

Carson Wentz 10

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_active.htm

A comparison between Kirk Cousins and a then 40-41yrs old Brett Favre.

Minnesota Vikings: Kirk Cousins vs Brett Favre

Cousins: 47 starts - 3 Fourth Quarter Comebacks, 4
Game-Winning Drives
Favre: 29 starts - 3 Fourth Quarter Comebacks, 4
Game-Winning Drives

Did Favre have both an o-line and a defense rated in the bottom quarter of the league?

We're two games into this season, and Cousins had us in position to win both times...but, the ball was put in others' hands.

Just some factual, relevant considerations.

Seems that having to have a lot of 4th quarter comebacks maybe a sign of not getting it done the first 3 quarters  

Well, our QB already has 595 yards, 5 TDs, and no picks...while our D looks determined to give away almost 30 ppg again, so....

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Zanary" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Zanary" said:

@"DeepFreeze05" said:

@"Havoc1649" said: Cousins is a good QB who gets irrationally slammed, despite excellent play and putting points on the board (all that actually matters). He continually drives the team down in scoring position when needed and is good with game winning drives. He’s excellent from clean pockets and bad pockets. We don’t lose games because of Kirk frigging Cousins. 

I posted the following in another thread earlier this year. The stats are as of the end of last year so that is why I left Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, and Alex Smith on.

Active QBs - Fourth Quarter Comebacks (Career) Tom Brady: 39

Drew Brees: 36

Ben Roethlisberger: 35

Matthew Stafford: 31

Matt Ryan: 30

Philip Rivers: 29

Russel Wilson: 24

Andy Dalton: 23

Ryan Tannelhill: 22

Derek Carr: 21

Alex Smith: 19

Joe Flacco: 18

Aaron Rodgers: 17

Cam Newton: 16

Ryan Fitzpatrick: 13

Kirk Cousins: 11

Matt Schaub: 11

Nick Foles: 10

Marcus Mariota: 9

Carson Wentz: 9

Josh Allen: 8

Deshawn Watson: 8

Blaine Gabbert: 7

Jimmy Garappollo: 7

Jamison Winston: 7

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_career.htm

Active QBs - Game Winning Drives (Career)

Drew Brees 53

Tom Brady 48

Ben Roethlisberger 46

Matt Ryan 38

Matthew Stafford 38

Philip Rivers 35

Russell Wilson 31

Andy Dalton 27

Aaron Rodgers 25

Derek Carr 24

Joe Flacco 24

Alex Smith 23

Ryan Tannehill 22

Cam Newton 20

Ryan Fitzpatrick 18

Kirk Cousins 16

Dak Prescott 15

Matt Schaub 14

Nick Foles 12

Josh Allen 11

Marcus Mariota 11

Jameis Winston 11

Case Keenum 10

Deshaun Watson 10

Carson Wentz 10

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_active.htm

A comparison between Kirk Cousins and a then 40-41yrs old Brett Favre.

Minnesota Vikings: Kirk Cousins vs Brett Favre

Cousins: 47 starts - 3 Fourth Quarter Comebacks, 4
Game-Winning Drives
Favre: 29 starts - 3 Fourth Quarter Comebacks, 4
Game-Winning Drives

Did Favre have both an o-line and a defense rated in the bottom quarter of the league?

We're two games into this season, and Cousins had us in position to win both times...but, the ball was put in others' hands.

Just some factual, relevant considerations.

Seems that having to have a lot of 4th quarter comebacks maybe a sign of not getting it done the first 3 quarters  

Well, our QB already has 595 yards, 5 TDs, and no picks...while our D looks determined to give away almost 30 ppg again, so....

You make it sound like he's never had huge question marks surrounding his performances.  So 2 games this year....what about the first month or so last year when he repeatedly shit the bed pretty much sealing the teams fate?  He is a good not great QB that plays well at times and we've seen him play like dog shit others.  Just because he matches or exceeds some great QBs in some stats doesn't mean he should be talked about in the same conversations regarding abilities.   Hes having a nice start to this season, he has left room for improvement but has been getting the job done for the most part.  Would be nice to see him convert more 3rd downs though.