Forum The Longship This gonna resonate with some here...

This gonna resonate with some here...

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Stop blaming Greg Joseph and other kickers for Vikings losses, both recent and historicAnthony Barr, Harrison Smith and Kirk Cousins are making millions, they're supposed to be the key to big victories, not a temp placekicker.

The Vikings fan blaming losses on missed field goals is like a New Orleans resident blaming floods on a leaky faucet.
Kickers aren't the Vikings' problem.
Kickers are the Vikings' toupee.
When Greg Joseph missed a 37-yard field goal as time ran out in the Vikings' 34-33 loss at Arizona on Sunday, he joined a pantheon of kickers who failed to deliver a victory in the clutch.
Joseph failed in that moment. That's a fact. What's worse than him failing is him becoming a symbol of the Vikings' failures, letting more important and higher-paid employees off the hook.
We've seen this before. Gary Anderson did not miss a field goal in 1998 until the NFC Championship Game. He, too, became a symbol of that team's failures, obscuring mistakes made by actual football players.
When Anderson missed that field goal, he helped fans forget that Robert Smith ran out of bounds when trying to kill the clock, and that Randall Cunningham held the ball too long on a strip sack that changed the game, and that Randy Moss seemed to lose interest, and that the defense was shredded by injuries and couldn't stop the run or hassle a non-legendary quarterback in Chris Chandler, or that Denny Green had Cunningham take a knee at the end of regulation even though explosiveness and creativity was their greatest strength and Atlanta's defense was hurting.
But, sure, blame the kicker for missing one field goal.
Similarly, Joseph's loss obscured other failures.

The Vikings were running at will. Kirk Cousins had been efficient and had not turned the ball over all game — and still hasn't turned over the ball all season.
The Vikings offensive line was having a great day in the running game and had improved vastly over Week 1 in pass blocking. The Vikings have two star receivers to go with their all-world running back.
So why did coach Mike Zimmer run about 40 seconds off the clock and settle for a 37-yard-field goal from an inexperienced kicker? An experienced quarterback and star running back might have scored a touchdown, or made the field goal a chip shot.
Cousins' stat line is gaudy, but in a game in which he had the advantage of a great running game and good protection, he produced three offensive points in the second half.
Justin Jefferson, the wonderful second-year receiver, dropped a long Cousins pass down the sideline.
The Vikings' defense, even with Danielle Hunter playing like his old self, allowed 34 points.
But, sure, blame the kicker.
In sports as in politics and business, always follow the money.
The Vikings have decided to pay a lot of talented players a lot of money, and they have routinely overspent in relation to production.
Anthony Barr may be a good player, but he was a bad signing. This is the second season in a row in which his injury replacement — Eric Wilson in 2020 and Nick Vigil this year — has made more pivotal plays than we're accustomed to Barr making.
Harrison Smith just signed another big deal, and he is making few pivotal plays.
Then there is Cousins, The Illusionist. He is one of the highest-paid quarterbacks in the league. He is surrounded with skill position talent. Sunday, his offensive line played well. He produced zero offensive touchdowns in the second half of a wide-open game.
His record in Washington: 26-30-1. His record in Minnesota, starting with a season that followed a 13-3 Vikings season: 25-23-1. Career record: 51-53-2. That's what the Vikings are paying $33 million a year for.
Star players are on the field for 50 to 70 plays a game. Coaches spend all week devising schemes and plays and make hundreds of decisions during the game. Kickers jog onto the field and swing their leg a few times a game.
There is a cure for this problem: Deemphasize kicking.
There is no way a field goal should be half as valuable as a touchdown. There is no way an extra point should be half as valuable as a two-point attempt.
Kicking should be a desperate, end-of-half, tiebreaking stratagem, not an accepted feature of modern football.
But then Vikings fans would have to blame their favorite players, not their kicking temp, when they lose.
https://www.startribune.com/stop-blaming-greg-joseph-and-other-kickers-for-vikings-losses-both-recent-and-historic/600099146/

Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger! 

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#1 · Sep 21, 7:42 AM
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0/2 makes Sunday pretty much a "must win" imo...

From 1990 to 2019, only 12 percent of teams to go 0-2 made the playoffs. 
By comparison, 62 percent of teams with a 2-0 record made the postseason, according to USA Today. However, according to OddShark, this percentage had dropped to 54 percent since 2007. All these numbers are under the 12-team playoff format, which no longer exists.
There are two key differences when it comes to this season and future seasons for 0-2 teams hoping to make the playoff. The bracket has expanded to 14 teams, which occurred in 2020 and looks like it will be here to stay. Last season, all 11 teams that started 0-2 failed to make the playoffs. Additionally, 2021 brings the addition of a 17th game. That will surely create more intrigue late in the season with teams jockeying for the final playoff spots.



Since 1980, only 3.4% of teams to start 0-3 made the playoffs Expanded NFL playoff format will probably change these odds. 

77% chance the Vikings dont make the play-offs:
Where are the Vikings going in the playoff? The Vikings playoff picture table presents the probabilities that the Vikings will win each playoff spot. All future unplayed games are assumed won/lost with a probability based upon relative team strengths.
http://www.playoffstatus.com/nfl/vikingsstandings.html

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#22 · Sep 22, 6:30 AM
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@"AGRforever" said: can you imagine the shit show this place would have been had kirk thrown an int or cook put it on the ground. We were within range. The kicker fucked the pooch. 
I agree.  If everyone does their job, the Vikes leave AZ with a W.  Joseph missed two kicks, and AZ's kicker made them all including one from 62.  If Joseph makes the kicks, then all is well and the Cards are losers.  He missed, so we're losers and the Cards are awesome.
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#23 · Sep 22, 7:10 AM
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Plenty of blame to go around for the actual team members but yeah if I was on the road and PA is screaming we made the kick, only to then say he missed it... I'd be so pissed lol.
If Greg Joseph "only had one job", then PA certainly only had one (even easier) job. Yikes

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#24 · Sep 22, 7:36 AM
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There’s a lot of people that can look at themselves and say,
if I only did a little better, we would have won.  I don’t see a strong need to try to pick out
the one person, but if I did I think Zimmer needs to stop playing the odds or
whatever he’s doing and he needs to come out and try to dominate the other
team.  Stop getting conservative with a
lead, keep doing what’s working, prepare for when they counter you.  Just plan to dominate every play.  I think you should be able to trust Cousins
and Cook to not turn the ball over late in the game.  Maybe you have to explicitly tell them to be
extra careful with the ball, IDK, or make sure to leave X amount of seconds
left or whatever.  I think that running
another play or two to make it mentally easier for the kicker who’s been here 2
weeks has to be better than sitting on your hands, letting the clock run down
35 seconds and putting the entire game on his shoulders instead of on the
shoulders of your playmakers.  Just stop playing
not to lose, and play to win.

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#26 · Sep 22, 10:50 AM
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@"StickyBun" said: https://twitter.com/VikingsPR/status/1440675265521221639
kind of diminishes the value of the passer rating stat.  whats the new goto metric  QBR?
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