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How does it get to this point? You end up murdering someone that you care about? On a road trip? And then just leave her, come home, refuse to talk to the police and now disappear? And how does the police not have the 'person of interest' under surveillance? 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/20/us/gabby-petito-brian-laundrie-update/index.html

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That is insane all the way around. I hope they find him strung up.

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@"kmillard" said: That is insane all the way around. I hope they find him strung up.
My guess is he went somewhere and killed himself.
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It's ridiculous that he was given such a pass. Usually the partner is the first to be a suspect. Lots of questions that need answers.

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@"Vikergirl" said: It's ridiculous that he was given such a pass. Usually the partner is the first to be a suspect. Lots of questions that need answers.
Ridiculous that he was presumed innocent?  Might as well take that right away too now, right?
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Tragedy..

@ 22 years old, life has just begun.

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@"Waterboy" said:
@"Vikergirl" said: It's ridiculous that he was given such a pass. Usually the partner is the first to be a suspect. Lots of questions that need answers.
Ridiculous that he was presumed innocent?  Might as well take that right away too now, right?
I am talking about common interrogation. If he was innocent, that could be determined. But more often than not, the partner is guilty. His actions afterwards did not portray innocence. 
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@"Waterboy" said:
@"Vikergirl" said: It's ridiculous that he was given such a pass. Usually the partner is the first to be a suspect. Lots of questions that need answers.
Ridiculous that he was presumed innocent?  Might as well take that right away too now, right?
Presumption of innocence ceases when he refused to talk to police and the family referred the police to their lawyer.  As soon as he wasn't completely forthcoming with facts and information to her disappearance he became a primary suspect,  or the fact that she went silent in the rockies with him,  and he returned to Florida without her or an explanation as to where she was.  I'm pretty sure that if they tracked that text backwards to the tower it was sent from that would likely have given probable cause to put him under surveillance as well. 
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should have arrested him for driving a stolen vehicle (the van was her's) and when he said he had permission ask where she was so they could verify he had permission.

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@"Waterboy" said:
@"Vikergirl" said: It's ridiculous that he was given such a pass. Usually the partner is the first to be a suspect. Lots of questions that need answers.
Ridiculous that he was presumed innocent?  Might as well take that right away too now, right?
He should have been under surveilance
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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"Waterboy" said:
@"Vikergirl" said: It's ridiculous that he was given such a pass. Usually the partner is the first to be a suspect. Lots of questions that need answers.
Ridiculous that he was presumed innocent?  Might as well take that right away too now, right?
Presumption of innocence ceases when he refused to talk to police and the family referred the police to their lawyer.  As soon as he wasn't completely forthcoming with facts and information to her disappearance he became a primary suspect,  or the fact that she went silent in the rockies with him,  and he returned to Florida without her or an explanation as to where she was.  I'm pretty sure that if they tracked that text backwards to the tower it was sent from that would likely have given probable cause to put him under surveillance as well. 
Presumption of innocence does not end in a legal sense until he is convicted.  I’m 99.9% convinced he did it, but we might as well adhere to a few of our constitutional rights.  God knows all of the other ones are being ignored.
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@"Purplewhizz" said:
@"Waterboy" said:
@"Vikergirl" said: It's ridiculous that he was given such a pass. Usually the partner is the first to be a suspect. Lots of questions that need answers.
Ridiculous that he was presumed innocent?  Might as well take that right away too now, right?
He should have been under surveilance
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@"Waterboy" said:
@"Vikergirl" said: It's ridiculous that he was given such a pass. Usually the partner is the first to be a suspect. Lots of questions that need answers.
Ridiculous that he was presumed innocent?  Might as well take that right away too now, right?
I am talking about common interrogation. If he was innocent, that could be determined. But more often than not, the partner is guilty. His actions afterwards did not portray innocence. 
I agree with both of these points, and I think he’s a scumball as well.  But, he should still be presumed innocent.  It’s part of what has helped our country remain free and separates us from places like Afghanistan.  Too many basic rights are just being trampled over as it is.  The guys parents are scums too.
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@"Waterboy" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"Waterboy" said:
@"Vikergirl" said: It's ridiculous that he was given such a pass. Usually the partner is the first to be a suspect. Lots of questions that need answers.
Ridiculous that he was presumed innocent?  Might as well take that right away too now, right?
Presumption of innocence ceases when he refused to talk to police and the family referred the police to their lawyer.  As soon as he wasn't completely forthcoming with facts and information to her disappearance he became a primary suspect,  or the fact that she went silent in the rockies with him,  and he returned to Florida without her or an explanation as to where she was.  I'm pretty sure that if they tracked that text backwards to the tower it was sent from that would likely have given probable cause to put him under surveillance as well. 
Presumption of innocence does not end in a legal sense until he is convicted.  I’m 99.9% convinced he did it, but we might as well adhere to a few of our constitutional rights.  God knows all of the other ones are being ignored.
Theres also a legal term called probable cause and its supported by the courts.  There was probable cause for surveillance in my holiday Inn express legal mind.
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So the FBI went into his parent's house yesterday, took some stuff out and then let the parents back in. The 'person of interest' still hasn't been located. More accounts of them arguing with police notification near the last time she communicated with her family. What's interesting is the lack of leaked information on this by the FBI. They obviously know a lot more than what they are saying. And the family of the girl didn't report her missing until 10 days AFTER he returned without her to Florida?? And her Dad is already on Dr. Phil? And why is Dr. Phil still a thing?

Messed up.

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@"StickyBun" said: So the FBI went into his parent's house yesterday, took some stuff out and then let the parents back in. The 'person of interest' still hasn't been located. More accounts of them arguing with police notification near the last time she communicated with her family. What's interesting is the lack of leaked information on this by the FBI. They obviously know a lot more than what they are saying. And the family of the girl didn't report her missing until 10 days AFTER he returned without her to Florida?? And her Dad is already on Dr. Phil? And why is Dr. Phil still a thing?

Messed up.


Maybe he was back before they knew he was back, and they were going off the "no signal" thing?  

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Couple of things:

  • You don't need "probable cause" for surveillance -- a cop car can sit outside his family's home, it is a public street.  You would need "probable cause" for a wiretap or a search of the house, but not for sitting on a public street watching the house.
  • He went to Florida but they left from NY where her family lives.  So, unless someone called and said the boyfriend is down her in Florida with his family, her family did not know the trip had ended.

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@"VikingOracle" said: Couple of things:
  • You don't need "probable cause" for surveillance -- a cop car can sit outside his family's home, it is a public street.  You would need "probable cause" for a wiretap or a search of the house, but not for sitting on a public street watching the house.
  • He went to Florida but they left from NY where her family lives.  So, unless someone called and said the boyfriend is down her in Florida with his family, her family did not know the trip had ended.


if they were tailing him though that could be argued as harassment couldnt it without probable cause?

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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"VikingOracle" said: Couple of things:
  • You don't need "probable cause" for surveillance -- a cop car can sit outside his family's home, it is a public street.  You would need "probable cause" for a wiretap or a search of the house, but not for sitting on a public street watching the house.
  • He went to Florida but they left from NY where her family lives.  So, unless someone called and said the boyfriend is down her in Florida with his family, her family did not know the trip had ended.


if they were tailing him though that could be argued as harassment couldnt it without probable cause?


I think it depends on how they are tailing the person.  If just following someone on a public street, that person has no expectation of privacy.  This is why cops can pick up abandoned cups and cans for DNA analysis without a search warrant -- no expectation of privacy in garbage (that is why they can also search your trash if you leave it out to be picked up).

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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"Waterboy" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"Waterboy" said:
@"Vikergirl" said: It's ridiculous that he was given such a pass. Usually the partner is the first to be a suspect. Lots of questions that need answers.
Ridiculous that he was presumed innocent?  Might as well take that right away too now, right?
Presumption of innocence ceases when he refused to talk to police and the family referred the police to their lawyer.  As soon as he wasn't completely forthcoming with facts and information to her disappearance he became a primary suspect,  or the fact that she went silent in the rockies with him,  and he returned to Florida without her or an explanation as to where she was.  I'm pretty sure that if they tracked that text backwards to the tower it was sent from that would likely have given probable cause to put him under surveillance as well. 
Presumption of innocence does not end in a legal sense until he is convicted.  I’m 99.9% convinced he did it, but we might as well adhere to a few of our constitutional rights.  God knows all of the other ones are being ignored.
Theres also a legal term called probable cause and its supported by the courts.  There was probable cause for surveillance in my holiday Inn express legal mind.
It can be both, and in this case, I agree with you.
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