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Would you want him as your QB?

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Was watching Raiders/Ravens game...

Lamar Jackson is sure fun to watch and dangerous as hell in some ways as a QB. 

Would you want him as Vikings QB over Cousins? 

Lamar does have flaws in his game. 

Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger! 

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#1 · Sep 15, 6:38 AM
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Yes, I think he would be a perfect fit for what Zimmer wants to do on offense and he would make Cook even more dangerous (which is scary).

That said our passing game might suffer some...  not sure Thielen and Jefferson would benefit from this switch.  Overall, our offense would be different but I think Lamar's game would be more complimentary to the style of offense we want (very similar philosophy as Baltimore) and would take some pressure off the OL in pass protection.

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#2 · Sep 15, 6:59 AM
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Yes,  if not him, some other more mobile QB.  Kirk's ability to throw dimes into buckets is only really good when he has time and is comfortable.   Today's DL and LBs are to big , to fast, and to athletic for him to be able to play his style of football on a consistent basis.

 Kirks lack of mobility is a detriment to our OL,  with a QB more adept at moving and leaving the pocket rushers wouldn't be able to pin their ears back like they do with Cousins and that would make our OL like a little better.  Its been said all week that there are ways a QB helps his OL and Kirk doesn't do many of them very well.

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The game is all about a mobile QB as part of the package in the modern NFL. Its adds a dimension that really defenses can't deal with consistently. 

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No.  His passing ability is what has gotten the Ravens into trouble the last couple playoff appearances.  Mobility is a great asset but without passing ability it wont get you anywhere. 

I want to take a spin on the QB roulette wheel.  Or try Mond and see what happens.

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Hell to the yeah. We need a mobile qb.

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@"AGRforever" said:
No.  His passing ability is what has gotten the Ravens into trouble the last couple playoff appearances.  Mobility is a great asset but without passing ability it wont get you anywhere. 

I want to take a spin on the QB roulette wheel.  Or try Mond and see what happens.



I'm with you. Lamar is attractive because he's different from what we currently have, but he doesn't seem to have IT when it comes to the playoffs. That certainly may change, but he has struggled mightily so far

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No. 

QB's that run in the NFL don't last.

We'll see if Jackson is still playing when he is 30.

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@"Hawkvike25" said:
@"AGRforever" said:
No.  His passing ability is what has gotten the Ravens into trouble the last couple playoff appearances.  Mobility is a great asset but without passing ability it wont get you anywhere. 

I want to take a spin on the QB roulette wheel.  Or try Mond and see what happens.



I'm with you. Lamar is attractive because he's different from what we currently have, but he doesn't seem to have IT when it comes to the playoffs. That certainly may change, but he has struggled mightily so far


Same here.  The formula to beat him is the same that worked against Kaepernic, Vick, RGIII and all the others that were the rage for a few years.  Make them beat you with their arm.  And time and time again, they show they can't.  Throwing the ball down the field is so much simpler and easier than running it.  It gets there faster with less physical cost.  Not saying the running game isn't important, but that isn't what the QB is for.  If the D can stop the run and the QB can't make them pay consistently, the game is easy.

Also, didn't Jackson have 2 fumbles that really cost the team the win?

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@"Mattyman" said: No. 

QB's that run in the NFL don't last.

We'll see if Jackson is still playing when he is 30.


No but they win MVPs, have great records and take their teams deep into the playoffs and super bowl. 

We haven't had any of that in 50 years.

Jackson on the 2018, 2019 Vikings is a Super Bowl contender.

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There has to be a happy medium somewhere. There has to be a qb that can scramble somewhat. As well as a competent or average OL. There has to be a qb that can work with the OL and vice versa. It can't be all one or the other. And the coaches have to coach to their strengths. They are so not there yet. 

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@"Vikergirl" said: There has to be a happy medium somewhere. There has to be a qb that can scramble somewhat. As well as a competent or average OL. There has to be a qb that can work with the OL and vice versa. It can't be all one or the other. And the coaches have to coach to their strengths. They are so not there yet. 


You mean like Pat Mahomes?  Very mobile, but the crazy highlights are always about his pinpoint accuracy.

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@"greediron" said:
@"Vikergirl" said: There has to be a happy medium somewhere. There has to be a qb that can scramble somewhat. As well as a competent or average OL. There has to be a qb that can work with the OL and vice versa. It can't be all one or the other. And the coaches have to coach to their strengths. They are so not there yet. 


You mean like Pat Mahomes?  Very mobile, but the crazy highlights are always about his pinpoint accuracy.


He is an absolute phenomenon and a dream for a qb. But the match of qb and OL as well as coaching at present is not it. I know Cousins has a couple of seasons left. Maybe with different coaching who knows. But it feels like the current combination of coaching and qb as well as OL has hit the wall. 

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@"greediron" said:
@"Vikergirl" said: There has to be a happy medium somewhere. There has to be a qb that can scramble somewhat. As well as a competent or average OL. There has to be a qb that can work with the OL and vice versa. It can't be all one or the other. And the coaches have to coach to their strengths. They are so not there yet. 


You mean like Pat Mahomes?  Very mobile, but the crazy highlights are always about his pinpoint accuracy.


Russell Wilson 
Aaron Rodgers (was)

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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"greediron" said:
@"Vikergirl" said: There has to be a happy medium somewhere. There has to be a qb that can scramble somewhat. As well as a competent or average OL. There has to be a qb that can work with the OL and vice versa. It can't be all one or the other. And the coaches have to coach to their strengths. They are so not there yet. 


You mean like Pat Mahomes?  Very mobile, but the crazy highlights are always about his pinpoint accuracy.


Russell Wilson 
Aaron Rodgers (was)



I went with Mahomes cuz I like him.  Can't stand the seahawks or the pack and Rodgers is the most unlikable as all of them.  But yes, mobility with accuracy and eyes down the field.

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@"greediron" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"greediron" said:
@"Vikergirl" said: There has to be a happy medium somewhere. There has to be a qb that can scramble somewhat. As well as a competent or average OL. There has to be a qb that can work with the OL and vice versa. It can't be all one or the other. And the coaches have to coach to their strengths. They are so not there yet. 


You mean like Pat Mahomes?  Very mobile, but the crazy highlights are always about his pinpoint accuracy.


Russell Wilson 
Aaron Rodgers (was)



I went with Mahomes cuz I like him.  Can't stand the seahawks or the pack and Rodgers is the most unlikable as all of them.  But yes, mobility with accuracy and eyes down the field.


And to think that the Vikings had the original Mobile QB - you would have thought that we- of all teams - would have seen the value of that and from our history and would have drafted someone with those traits. But then again, maybe Fran was just elusive as hell behind the pocket, and not a threat to rip off 30 yard runs multiple times in a game.

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There's mobile, then there's a running QB. Those in the second category like Lamar J. I take a pass. They leave themselves vulnerable to big shots and bad decisions. Mahomes is in a rare position where he can chuck it up 70 yds. and Hill is able to track it down, Kelce will bail him out, and he has a decent running game to boot. 

The odds of having that many unique weapons is staggering. Missing 1 or more of those facets and that QB is RGIII/Cam Newton with a short career.

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@"Vikergirl" said: There has to be a happy medium somewhere. There has to be a qb that can scramble somewhat. As well as a competent or average OL. There has to be a qb that can work with the OL and vice versa. It can't be all one or the other. And the coaches have to coach to their strengths. They are so not there yet. 


Here's one.... 

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Teddy.  ;)

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"Vikergirl" said: There has to be a happy medium somewhere. There has to be a qb that can scramble somewhat. As well as a competent or average OL. There has to be a qb that can work with the OL and vice versa. It can't be all one or the other. And the coaches have to coach to their strengths. They are so not there yet. 


Here's one.... 

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@"StickyBun" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"Vikergirl" said: There has to be a happy medium somewhere. There has to be a qb that can scramble somewhat. As well as a competent or average OL. There has to be a qb that can work with the OL and vice versa. It can't be all one or the other. And the coaches have to coach to their strengths. They are so not there yet. 


Here's one.... 

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