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OT: Climate change and the Moose

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#1 · Sep 14, 8:45 AM
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My firm and I are actively building out a strategy that would provide additional funding and engagement to not only the Ojibwe, but NGOs combatting these issues caused by climate change.  We have been engaged with the 12 land county commissioners of no. Minnesota regarding resource investment/development via improved management lead by stewardship.

Zombie Deer and Ghost Moose become a significant risk for the habitat and bio-diversity needs of some of the most important aquifers in the US.  

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#2 · Sep 14, 9:26 AM
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I used to camp in Quetico with my wife's family.  Put in at Saganaga get to Other Man and day trip out of the far end of This Man.  Had a few encounters with Moose, so big and gentle looking but gave them a wide berth.  Lot of fond memories up there.  My bro-inlaw  still does a trip every year and said it has really changed, there is a lot of access on the Canadian side for side by sides and permanent camps set up by the outfitters getting folk out there.  Haven't been there in just over 20 years, think I'll just be happy with remembering how it was. 

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@"Skodin" said: My firm and I are actively building out a strategy that would provide additional funding and engagement to not only the Ojibwe, but NGOs combatting these issues caused by climate change.  We have been engaged with the 12 land county commissioners of no. Minnesota regarding resource investment/development via improved management lead by stewardship.

Zombie Deer and Ghost Moose become a significant risk for the habitat and bio-diversity needs of some of the most important aquifers in the US.  

I was just in the Harz Mountains, around Goslar, this past weekend and the efforts to forest manage are really evident.  They are choosing to be very aggressive changing forest species to adapt to the climate change.  They know what they are doing, the area was populated around 800, and Charlamagne declared the area a restricted forest, they have been managing it since.  Pretty cool area, wasn't bombed, the structures in the old town are mostly original.

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@"BigAl99" said:


 Pretty cool area, wasn't bombed, the structures in the old town are mostly original.


Okay, curiosity got me, what do you mean it wasn't bombed? 

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@"VikingOracle" said:
@"BigAl99" said:


 Pretty cool area, wasn't bombed, the structures in the old town are mostly original.


Okay, curiosity got me, what do you mean it wasn't bombed? 

WW2, wasn't considered to have any strategic military value.  Just the opposite of Dresden which also had no military value, but was bombed anyway.  Read Slaughterhouse 5 by Kurt Vonnegut, he was actually a POW in Dresden at the end of the war.  Cool place, they have restored the city center since reunification, and there is quite the contrast in architecture between the soviet post war style at the train station as you walk to the city center.  One of my favorite Cities.   

"On December 22, Vonnegut was captured with about 50 other American soldiers. Vonnegut was taken by boxcar to a prison camp south of Dresden, in Saxony. During the journey, the Royal Air Force mistakenly attacked the trains carrying Vonnegut and his fellow prisoners of war, killing about 150 of them.
Vonnegut was sent to Dresden, the "first fancy city ever
seen." He lived in a slaughterhouse when he got to the city, and worked
in a factory that made malt syrup
for pregnant women. Vonnegut recalled the sirens going off whenever
another city was bombed. The Germans did not expect Dresden to be
bombed, Vonnegut said. "There were very few air-raid shelters in town
and no war industries, just cigarette factories, hospitals, clarinet
factories."

On February 13, 1945, Dresden became the target of Allied forces. In the hours and days that followed, the Allies engaged in a fierce firebombing of the city. The offensive subsided on February 15, with around 25,000 civilians killed in the bombing. Vonnegut marveled at the level of both the destruction in Dresden and the secrecy that attended it. He had survived by taking refuge in a meat locker three stories underground. "It was cool there, with cadavers hanging all around", Vonnegut said. "When we came up the city was gone ... They burnt the whole damn town down." Vonnegut and other American prisoners were put to work immediately after the bombing, excavating bodies from the rubble. He described the activity as a "terribly elaborate Easter-egg hunt"."
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@"BigAl99" said:
@"VikingOracle" said:
@"BigAl99" said:


 Pretty cool area, wasn't bombed, the structures in the old town are mostly original.


Okay, curiosity got me, what do you mean it wasn't bombed? 

WW2, wasn't considered to have any strategic military value.  Just the opposite of Dresden which also had no military value, but was bombed anyway.  Read Slaughterhouse 5 by Kurt Vonnegut, he was actually a POW in Dresden at the end of the war.  Cool place, they have restored the city center since reunification, and there is quite the contrast in architecture between the soviet post war style at the train station as you walk to the city center.  One of my favorite Cities.   

"On December 22, Vonnegut was captured with about 50 other American soldiers. Vonnegut was taken by boxcar to a prison camp south of Dresden, in Saxony. During the journey, the Royal Air Force mistakenly attacked the trains carrying Vonnegut and his fellow prisoners of war, killing about 150 of them.
Vonnegut was sent to Dresden, the "first fancy city ever
seen." He lived in a slaughterhouse when he got to the city, and worked
in a factory that made malt syrup
for pregnant women. Vonnegut recalled the sirens going off whenever
another city was bombed. The Germans did not expect Dresden to be
bombed, Vonnegut said. "There were very few air-raid shelters in town
and no war industries, just cigarette factories, hospitals, clarinet
factories."

On February 13, 1945, Dresden became the target of Allied forces. In the hours and days that followed, the Allies engaged in a fierce firebombing of the city. The offensive subsided on February 15, with around 25,000 civilians killed in the bombing. Vonnegut marveled at the level of both the destruction in Dresden and the secrecy that attended it. He had survived by taking refuge in a meat locker three stories underground. "It was cool there, with cadavers hanging all around", Vonnegut said. "When we came up the city was gone ... They burnt the whole damn town down." Vonnegut and other American prisoners were put to work immediately after the bombing, excavating bodies from the rubble. He described the activity as a "terribly elaborate Easter-egg hunt"."

Ha, the jokes is on me (and my reading comprehension).  As I have never been to Minnesota, I just assumed that "Harz Mountains, around Goslar" was part of Minnesota -- I totally skimmed past the Charlamagne reference.  When you wrote "the area was populated around 800" -- I figured you meant around 800 people live there.  So, I am thinking why would anyone bomb a small town of 800 in northern Minnesota -- are the Canadians attacking? LOL.

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who would have thought that a post about moose would have lead to a history lesson about Dresden?

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@"VikingOracle" said: who would have thought that a post about moose would have lead to a history lesson about Dresden?

It sure made sense at the time, this getting old, I think I have forgotten more than I ever knew.
My wife sent me this one day.
https://youtu.be/6oHBG3ABUJU

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