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What was expected accuracy,  and who established that value?  Is it the same for all or was it a different value for each QB?

@"JimmyinSD" said: What was expected accuracy,  and who established that value?  Is it the same for all or was it a different value for each QB?

@"JimmyinSD" said: What was expected accuracy,  and who established that value?  Is it the same for all or was it a different value for each QB?

From what I can tell, it's based on how open the WR is and how hard of a throw it is.  So if the receiver is blanketed, you'd expect the QB to have a lower completion percentage.  If the receiver is wide open, you'd expect a higher completion percentage.  It's something along those lines.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: What was expected accuracy,  and who established that value?  Is it the same for all or was it a different value for each QB?

Excellent questions! As you can imagine, this is a PFF.com special. 'Let's create a metric that no one else uses, is proprietary to us, makes us look smart yet makes little to zero practical football sense'. 

Completely anecdotal from some Joe Schmoe, but I watched a lot of the most recent Jags game. Trevor Lawrence looked awesome and they were without 3 starting OL, 2 starting WR, and their 1st round RB who's out for the year.
I might be crazy but I think they'll give the Colts a run for 2nd in that division this year. I also don't think Tennessee will be as good as last year. Texans are a diaper.

Huh, guess you can have a Matthew Stafford bod and still be pretty good at football.  Lots of people liked to rip Mac Jones for what he isn't...  but fail to recognize all the little things he does that go into being a good NFL QB.

As long as the stats say the Bear's shat the bed.  I'm good with it. 

@"Wetlander" said: Huh, guess you can have a Matthew Stafford bod and still be pretty good at football.  Lots of people liked to rip Mac Jones for what he isn't...  but fail to recognize all the little things he does that go into being a good NFL QB.

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"Wetlander" said: Huh, guess you can have a Matthew Stafford bod and still be pretty good at football.  Lots of people liked to rip Mac Jones for what he isn't...  but fail to recognize all the little things he does that go into being a good NFL QB.

He may end up being the best of the bunch...And I wouldn't have touched him in the top 15. All because he had too much talent around him @ Bama.

@"Wetlander" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"Wetlander" said: Huh, guess you can have a Matthew Stafford bod and still be pretty good at football.  Lots of people liked to rip Mac Jones for what he isn't...  but fail to recognize all the little things he does that go into being a good NFL QB.

He may end up being the best of the bunch...And I wouldn't have touched him in the top 15. All because he had too much talent around him @ Bama.

I was happy with the trade down to get Darrisaw, Mond (who I also liked), and Davis...  but at the time, I was hoping we'd take Jones at 14.  I wonder what the Wilfs will think if Mac Jones becomes a successful NFL QB and we end up moving on from Kirk?  They were in the draft room that night and got to witness Spielman in action...  if he passed on a franchise QB that fell into his lap, it won't be a good look.  Especially when the Cousins signing hasn't exactly paid off like most thought it would (including me).

This is inline with how Jones performed in college. Often times, people watching will get enamored with all the talent around him. I’m more interested in where the QB puts the football when he has a decent chance to throw, regardless of his team or even the corner playing the ball. It’s one reason I like this type of metric. It takes a lot of the variables out and gives a pretty good indication of a guys ability to be truly accurate with the ball. Any one of us could have caught passes from Jones. He’s just one of those guys good at anticipating the spot it needs to be. 
Will Jones be good this year? In my opinion, a place like Minnesota would have been a perfect fit for him. A place he could learn without being thrown to the wolves. Now that he starts, I think he’ll have his ups and downs but otherwise be ok.

@"Wetlander" said: Huh, guess you can have a Matthew Stafford bod and still be pretty good at football.  Lots of people liked to rip Mac Jones for what he isn't...  but fail to recognize all the little things he does that go into being a good NFL QB.

Exactly the opposite of Newton:

Josh McDaniels on why he's comfortable with Mac Jones at QB1: "When you look at the whole body of work since he's gotten here...he's been well-prepared each day to come in and do the things we ask our players to do...he's improved. He's generally taken care of the football."

— Mike Giardi (@MikeGiardi) September 1, 2021

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Wetlander" said: Huh, guess you can have a Matthew Stafford bod and still be pretty good at football.  Lots of people liked to rip Mac Jones for what he isn't...  but fail to recognize all the little things he does that go into being a good NFL QB.

Bod is one thing, but Jones will never have anything close to a Matthew Stafford arm. This is Cam Newton at 32 years old, many injuries and little broken down he beat out, so I get Bill wanting something more predictable and safe at QB even if it is a rookie than inaccurate Newton. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Wetlander" said: Huh, guess you can have a Matthew Stafford bod and still be pretty good at football.  Lots of people liked to rip Mac Jones for what he isn't...  but fail to recognize all the little things he does that go into being a good NFL QB.

Bod is one thing, but Jones will never have anything close to a Matthew Stafford arm. This is Cam Newton at 32 years old, many injuries and little broken down he beat out, so I get Bill wanting something more predictable and safe at QB even if it is a rookie than inaccurate Newton. 

@"Wetlander" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Wetlander" said: Huh, guess you can have a Matthew Stafford bod and still be pretty good at football.  Lots of people liked to rip Mac Jones for what he isn't...  but fail to recognize all the little things he does that go into being a good NFL QB.

Bod is one thing, but Jones will never have anything close to a Matthew Stafford arm. This is Cam Newton at 32 years old, many injuries and little broken down he beat out, so I get Bill wanting something more predictable and safe at QB even if it is a rookie than inaccurate Newton. 

Right...  but not many QBs have the arm strength of Stafford or can make the same off-platform throws.  Rodgers and Mahomes are probably the only two better?

But that wasn't my point, it was that too many people get caught up in what a QB looks like and overlook the things that make a QB good.  Not enough people paid attention to his quick decision making, accurate arm, pocket awareness, and his ability to beat the blitz and make the right decisions under pressure.  Just watch...  the narrative on Mac Jones will be much different after this year than it was this off-season.

His upside is some of the things he is doing to give the impression that he is open and receptive to getting the start. Additional upside is that he has Belichick as a coach.