Boyd ahead of Dantzler

I like Boyd and he definitely looks to have a bright future 

Did Dantzler play that well last year or was he just the best of the worst?  Now that the lights are brighter around him do his flaws become more noticeable as he gets picked on more?

Again, not a fan of PFF, but Tiny's last five starts were top 5ish in their ratings. 

Boyd playing well or even better than Dantzler doesn't mean Dantzler
sucks now.  It just means Boyd is playing better.  Both of these guys
will be needed on Sundays.  The fact that neither of these guys are
starters is nice for depth and special teams.

@"HappyViking" said: Boyd playing well or even better than Dantzler doesn't mean Dantzler sucks now.  It just means Boyd is playing better.  Both of these guys will be needed on Sundays.  The fact that neither of these guys are starters is nice for depth and special teams.

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"HappyViking" said: Boyd playing well or even better than Dantzler doesn't mean Dantzler sucks now.  It just means Boyd is playing better.  Both of these guys will be needed on Sundays.  The fact that neither of these guys are starters is nice for depth and special teams.

I'm old enough to remember starting a converted WR at CB. Depth is a wonderful thing.

I think the question to ask is whether Dantzler is on the Holton Hill path and, if so, why?

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"HappyViking" said: Boyd playing well or even better than Dantzler doesn't mean Dantzler sucks now.  It just means Boyd is playing better.  Both of these guys will be needed on Sundays.  The fact that neither of these guys are starters is nice for depth and special teams.

I'm old enough to remember starting a converted WR at CB. Depth is a wonderful thing.

Dantzler hasn't looked good in preseason.  Remember when he bulked up and couldn't run?  And then he shed the weight and ran faster at his Pro Day or whatever?  Seems like he can't play good with additional weight, but gets dinged more when he plays smaller...  

@"VikingOracle" said: I think the question to ask is whether Dantzler is on the Holton Hill path and, if so, why?

@"HappyViking" said: Boyd playing well or even better than Dantzler doesn't mean Dantzler sucks now.  It just means Boyd is playing better.  Both of these guys will be needed on Sundays.  The fact that neither of these guys are starters is nice for depth and special teams.

@"Wetlander" said: Dantzler hasn't looked good in preseason.  Remember when he bulked up and couldn't run?  And then he shed the weight and ran faster at his Pro Day or whatever?  Seems like he can't play good with additional weight, but gets dinged more when he plays smaller...  

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Wetlander" said: Dantzler hasn't looked good in preseason.  Remember when he bulked up and couldn't run?  And then he shed the weight and ran faster at his Pro Day or whatever?  Seems like he can't play good with additional weight, but gets dinged more when he plays smaller...  

Do we know he actually gained weight this year? 

I saw Dantzler make some nice plays last week.  The blown coverage on the deep ball sticks out though.  One 3rd down play he actually covered two receivers.  He lined up on the outside guy while the slot guy was pretty much left uncovered.  Dantzler moved back but kept his eye on the QB who had to throw to the slot because the outside WR wasn't open.  When the slot receiver caught the ball, Dantzler quickly moved up and made a solid hit well short of the 1st.  It was a nice play.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Wetlander" said: Dantzler hasn't looked good in preseason.  Remember when he bulked up and couldn't run?  And then he shed the weight and ran faster at his Pro Day or whatever?  Seems like he can't play good with additional weight, but gets dinged more when he plays smaller...  

Do we know he actually gained weight this year? 

if he doesnt blow away in an outdoor venue... he likely gained weight.

Late last season, Boyd played some Safety & their were discussions about moving him there permanently. Looks like he's staying at CB.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"VikingOracle" said: I think the question to ask is whether Dantzler is on the Holton Hill path and, if so, why?

I think that's going a little far. No doubt Dantzler flashed some real ability last year, but we have to remember, most of the corners in Zim's scheme take a couple of years to get it. Many of us thought that Dantzler might have been the exception to that when it was more likely he was just the best young corner in a terrible group. That's no longer the case. And Kris Boyd has a year on him. 

I read somewhere that Dantzler stated he weights 192 lbs. going into training camp and he spent the off season concentrated on lift weights.

@"greediron" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"VikingOracle" said: I think the question to ask is whether Dantzler is on the Holton Hill path and, if so, why?

I think that's going a little far. No doubt Dantzler flashed some real ability last year, but we have to remember, most of the corners in Zim's scheme take a couple of years to get it. Many of us thought that Dantzler might have been the exception to that when it was more likely he was just the best young corner in a terrible group. That's no longer the case. And Kris Boyd has a year on him. 

And if you read the comments by Adam Zimmer were he talked about this, it isn't that Dantzler isn't playing well, but that he has lapses and is inconsistent.  Nothing breaks down a D like inconsistent play.  Like our fan rated all-pro backup LB that we let walk away, flashing talent and making splash plays is nice, but being in the right spot and the rest of the D knowing they can depend on you is crucial.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"VikingOracle" said: I think the question to ask is whether Dantzler is on the Holton Hill path and, if so, why?

I think that's going a little far. No doubt Dantzler flashed some real ability last year, but we have to remember, most of the corners in Zim's scheme take a couple of years to get it. Many of us thought that Dantzler might have been the exception to that when it was more likely he was just the best young corner in a terrible group. That's no longer the case. And Kris Boyd has a year on him. 

And if you read the comments by Adam Zimmer were he talked about this, it isn't that Dantzler isn't playing well, but that he has lapses and is inconsistent.  Nothing breaks down a D like inconsistent play.  Like our fan rated all-pro backup LB that we let walk away, flashing talent and making splash plays is nice, but being in the right spot and the rest of the D knowing they can depend on you is crucial.

well that fan rated all pro looks pretty damn good right now compared to the fan over rated guy that cant find the field for the second straight year,  and considering the level of players around him last year was mostly shit,  its not hard to understand that things were off.  even Harry looked like shit at times last year and was out of position more often than normal.  call me crazy, but I would take those splash plays over no plays any day.

but you are right,  Dantzlers jeckly and hyde routine will lead to teams targeting him more which will catch to lazy or out of position plays at a higher rate when there is better talent around him.