Market Set For Brian O'Neill

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Hmmm. Not sure O'Neill is the quality of Ramczyk. In fact, he's not but he's going to get paid. 

16 to 18 a year is where I was expecting ONeil to come in so this doesnt surprise me much.

@"StickyBun" said: Hmmm. Not sure O'Neill is the quality of Ramczyk. In fact, he's not but he's going to get paid. 

No, O'Neill is not on the same level. At least not yet. RyRam was all rookie and then all pro the last three seasons. O'Neill is a good quality right tackle, but he should not see those kind of numbers. 

@"StickyBun" said: Hmmm. Not sure O'Neill is the quality of Ramczyk. In fact, he's not but he's going to get paid. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Hmmm. Not sure O'Neill is the quality of Ramczyk. In fact, he's not but he's going to get paid. 

No, O'Neill is not on the same level. At least not yet. RyRam was all rookie and then all pro the last three seasons. O'Neill is a good quality right tackle, but he should not see those kind of numbers. 

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Hmmm. Not sure O'Neill is the quality of Ramczyk. In fact, he's not but he's going to get paid. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Hmmm. Not sure O'Neill is the quality of Ramczyk. In fact, he's not but he's going to get paid. 

No, O'Neill is not on the same level. At least not yet. RyRam was all rookie and then all pro the last three seasons. O'Neill is a good quality right tackle, but he should not see those kind of numbers. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Hmmm. Not sure O'Neill is the quality of Ramczyk. In fact, he's not but he's going to get paid. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Hmmm. Not sure O'Neill is the quality of Ramczyk. In fact, he's not but he's going to get paid. 

No, O'Neill is not on the same level. At least not yet. RyRam was all rookie and then all pro the last three seasons. O'Neill is a good quality right tackle, but he should not see those kind of numbers. 

True. Ramczyk is the gold standard, at least in the NFC. But, O'Neill has given up 5 sacks in 3 years. He's going to get paid in the neighborhood of what Ramczyk got, but definitely less. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

Contracts only go up, so it's possible he gets in the neighborhood. But ideally, we get a early-contract discount for O'Neill due to the fact that he's yet to be recognized as a top tackle. He ranks 30th by PFF among 64 starting tackles. Then as we improve his surround (hopefully to the level that RyRam enjoys), we get top 10 to 15 performance at a big discount. Call it the Hunter Plan. :-) Or the Diggs Plan. Or the Kendricks Plan. Rick and Rob seem to be very good at timing their contract extensions. 

@"Mattyman" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

Contracts only go up, so it's possible he gets in the neighborhood. But ideally, we get a early-contract discount for O'Neill due to the fact that he's yet to be recognized as a top tackle. He ranks 30th by PFF among 64 starting tackles. Then as we improve his surround (hopefully to the level that RyRam enjoys), we get top 10 to 15 performance at a big discount. Call it the Hunter Plan. :-) Or the Diggs Plan. Or the Kendricks Plan. Rick and Rob seem to be very good at timing their contract extensions. 

 
The Thielen Plan had to be torn up and renegotiated.

@"Mattyman" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

Contracts only go up, so it's possible he gets in the neighborhood. But ideally, we get a early-contract discount for O'Neill due to the fact that he's yet to be recognized as a top tackle. He ranks 30th by PFF among 64 starting tackles. Then as we improve his surround (hopefully to the level that RyRam enjoys), we get top 10 to 15 performance at a big discount. Call it the Hunter Plan. :-) Or the Diggs Plan. Or the Kendricks Plan. Rick and Rob seem to be very good at timing their contract extensions. 

 
The Thielen Plan had to be torn up and renegotiated.

@"Mattyman" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

Contracts only go up, so it's possible he gets in the neighborhood. But ideally, we get a early-contract discount for O'Neill due to the fact that he's yet to be recognized as a top tackle. He ranks 30th by PFF among 64 starting tackles. Then as we improve his surround (hopefully to the level that RyRam enjoys), we get top 10 to 15 performance at a big discount. Call it the Hunter Plan. :-) Or the Diggs Plan. Or the Kendricks Plan. Rick and Rob seem to be very good at timing their contract extensions. 

 
The Thielen Plan had to be torn up and renegotiated.

 

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"Mattyman" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

Contracts only go up, so it's possible he gets in the neighborhood. But ideally, we get a early-contract discount for O'Neill due to the fact that he's yet to be recognized as a top tackle. He ranks 30th by PFF among 64 starting tackles. Then as we improve his surround (hopefully to the level that RyRam enjoys), we get top 10 to 15 performance at a big discount. Call it the Hunter Plan. :-) Or the Diggs Plan. Or the Kendricks Plan. Rick and Rob seem to be very good at timing their contract extensions. 

 
The Thielen Plan had to be torn up and renegotiated.

 

That flexibility sends a nice message to FAs.

The Minnesota Vikings spent their offseason throwing money at the defensive side of the ball. While the new-look unit figures to be the key to a return to the playoffs, there’s unfinished business for the offense, especially when it comes to Brian O’Neill.

The soon-to-be 26-year-old will enter the final year of his rookie deal this season. Like they are with most players, the Vikings will look to be proactive with O’Neill’s contract situation and could reach a new deal by the start of training camp.
That negotiation gained an important data point on Wednesday when the New Orleans Saints reportedly agreed to a five-year, $96 million extension with Ryan Ramczyk, making Ramczyk the highest-paid right tackle in the NFL.
It also sets the market for O’Neill.

Looking at the highest-paid right tackles, the Vikings need to decide where O’Neill fits in with this group. Trent Brown’s contract with the New England Patriots is basically a prove-it deal coming off a bad year with the Las Vegas Raiders, and Taylor Moton was franchise-tagged. This means that O’Neill will likely be using La’El Collins’ five-year, $50 million extension as a floor, but that doesn’t determine how much the Vikings should spend.
While O’Neill has been the best player on the offensive line, there’s no chance he gets paid more than Ramczyk. The Wisconsin product ranked 14th among qualifying tackles with an 81.5 Pro Football Focus overall grade last season, and his 86.7 run-blocking grade ranked 12th. Even though the Vikings place a lot of emphasis on the running game, O’Neill didn’t produce similar numbers last season, which would bump him down the list.
O’Neill could also look at Lane Johnson’s contract, but Johnson was coming off a monster year when he signed his four-year extension before the 2019 season. Johnson ranked 10th with an 81.0 overall grade but had issues in pass protection, allowing 36 pressures in 2018. Johnson made up for those issues with his run-blocking, which produced the fifth-highest grade (79.5) in 2018 and the second-highest (92.6) in 2019.
With Ramczyk and Johnson forming the elite tier of right tackles, O’Neill’s more realistic target should be somewhere between Jack Conklin and La’El Collins.
Conklin was a pillar of the Tennessee Titans’ offensive line, posting a 77.9-overall grade that was 12th among qualifying tackles in 2019. While his 30 pressures were respectable, it was his 80.5 run-blocking grade that made him a target for the Cleveland Browns. Conklin became a rich man because of Kevin Stefanski’s desire to run the ball, earning a three-year, $42 million contract with $30 million guaranteed.
Conklin may have been a great addition for Cleveland, but Collins became a bargain for the Dallas Cowboys. Collins was forced to kick out to right tackle after an injury to Zach Martin and he fared well, posting an 86.4 overall grade — fourth among offensive tackles. Collins allowed just 26 pressures in pass protection but, like Conklin, his true value was in the running game, where he posted an 89.4 run-blocking grade that was third among right tackles.
By comparison, O’Neill’s 78.0-overall grade was 24th among tackles last season, and his 26 pressures were 61st. While O’Neill’s pass protection allows more hurries than sacks, the Vikings value his ability in the running game, where he posted an 83.7 run-blocking grade that was eighth among tackles.
These numbers are great but are the inverse of Moton, who thrived in pass protection with 19 pressures allowed but had just a 76.3 run-blocking grade, which was 19th among all tackles.
The data gives O’Neill’s camp several options as it looks for a new contract. While he could slot in at about $12 million per season, it would also be reasonable if O’Neill asked the Vikings for the $14 million Conklin got in free agency. It could also be a solid strategy to see what Moton gets from the Panthers and try to top it.
No matter what O’Neill decides, the Vikings have spent plenty of time this offseason to try and fix their offensive line. While they should have a pair of starters in Christian Darrisaw and Wyatt Davis, losing O’Neill would defeat the purpose of using those picks and leave the Vikings back where they started.
With $14 million in cap space, the two sides should reach a deal in the coming weeks. After Ramczyk’s new deal, it’s clear that, whatever the agreement is, O’Neill will be a wealthy man.

Every time I see Lael Collins name it burns me. Could've had him for a 7th.

@"MaroonBells" said: Every time I see Lael Collins name it burns me. Could've had him for a 7th.

Yup, that sticks in my craw too...

I was very happy with the O'Neill pick at the time and predicted he would start before mid season.  Most had him as too weak to start at Tackle in his first year but early preseason showed otherwise.  I like the concept of locking him up now based on that 11-14 million range because that is about his level of play.  But as others have pointed out he might look even better and raise his game with a better Guard next to him.  

I am going by memory but in that 2018 draft many many posters were in love with us taking Hernandez(pure Guard).  I liked him as well but then Guru made a very good case for him not being a great fit for us and I jumped off his bandwagon.  My favorite OL was Isiah Wynn (Georgia-versatility T/G ) who the Pats took in the early 20's.  We took Mike Hughes with our late first and Hernandez went a few picks after us to the Giants.  So the brass decided against Hernandez as well.  

Back to O'Neill,  even though we got him in the second, he was only the 2nd projected pure Tackle off the board with Kolten Miller going in the teens to the Raiders.  He was a very good find/pick because the majority of draftniks had him going in round 3 or 4 at that time.  Their was very little talk about him on this site pre-draft.  

I am going to post a recent article about Hernandez from the NY press.  

@"minny65" said: I was very happy with the O'Neill pick at the time and predicted he would start before mid season.  Most had him as too weak to start at Tackle in his first year but early preseason showed otherwise.  I like the concept of locking him up now based on that 11-14 million range because that is about his level of play.  But as others have pointed out he might look even better and raise his game with a better Guard next to him.  

I am going by memory but in that 2018 draft many many posters were in love with us taking Hernandez(pure Guard).  I liked him as well but then Guru made a very good case for him not being a great fit for us and I jumped off his bandwagon.  My favorite OL was Isiah Wynn (Georgia-versatility T/G ) who the Pats took in the early 20's.  We took Mike Hughes with our late first and Hernandez went a few picks after us to the Giants.  So the brass decided against Hernandez as well.  

Back to O'Neill,  even though we got him in the second, he was only the 2nd projected pure Tackle off the board with Kolten Miller going in the teens to the Raiders.  He was a very good find/pick because the majority of draftniks had him going in round 3 or 4 at that time.  Their was very little talk about him on this site pre-draft.  

I am going to post a recent article about Hernandez from the NY press.  

recall quite a bit post-draft

@"greediron" said:

@"minny65" said: I was very happy with the O'Neill pick at the time and predicted he would start before mid season.  Most had him as too weak to start at Tackle in his first year but early preseason showed otherwise.  I like the concept of locking him up now based on that 11-14 million range because that is about his level of play.  But as others have pointed out he might look even better and raise his game with a better Guard next to him.  

I am going by memory but in that 2018 draft many many posters were in love with us taking Hernandez(pure Guard).  I liked him as well but then Guru made a very good case for him not being a great fit for us and I jumped off his bandwagon.  My favorite OL was Isiah Wynn (Georgia-versatility T/G ) who the Pats took in the early 20's.  We took Mike Hughes with our late first and Hernandez went a few picks after us to the Giants.  So the brass decided against Hernandez as well.  

Back to O'Neill,  even though we got him in the second, he was only the 2nd projected pure Tackle off the board with Kolten Miller going in the teens to the Raiders.  He was a very good find/pick because the majority of draftniks had him going in round 3 or 4 at that time.  Their was very little talk about him on this site pre-draft.  

I am going to post a recent article about Hernandez from the NY press.  

recall quite a bit post-draft

I missed by a country mile on him.

@"minny65" said: I was very happy with the O'Neill pick at the time and predicted he would start before mid season.  Most had him as too weak to start at Tackle in his first year but early preseason showed otherwise.  I like the concept of locking him up now based on that 11-14 million range because that is about his level of play.  But as others have pointed out he might look even better and raise his game with a better Guard next to him.  

I am going by memory but in that 2018 draft many many posters were in love with us taking Hernandez(pure Guard).  I liked him as well but then Guru made a very good case for him not being a great fit for us and I jumped off his bandwagon.  My favorite OL was Isiah Wynn (Georgia-versatility T/G ) who the Pats took in the early 20's.  We took Mike Hughes with our late first and Hernandez went a few picks after us to the Giants.  So the brass decided against Hernandez as well.  

Back to O'Neill,  even though we got him in the second, he was only the 2nd projected pure Tackle off the board with Kolten Miller going in the teens to the Raiders.  He was a very good find/pick because the majority of draftniks had him going in round 3 or 4 at that time.  Their was very little talk about him on this site pre-draft.  

I am going to post a recent article about Hernandez from the NY press.  

I liked Ragnow and Wynn. Wasn't overly hot on Hernandez due to fit, but he intrigued me. It was around this time that I started to question whether zone athleticism shouldn't be knocked down a notch in traits you look for...even for a zone team. 

After Ragnow and Wynn, I liked a lot of the 2nd tier guards like Austin Corbett and Braden Smith. Wasn't really thinking tackle since I thought Remmers would play there. Still, thought O'Neill was full of bad weight due to TE to OT conversion, and then of course he was just awful at the Senior Bowl. He was off my radar until 3rd or 4th. I've since learned to take those Senior Bowl 1 on 1s with a grain of salt. They heavily favor the pass rusher. 

Didn't like the Hughes pick because why take your 4th corner in the 1st round? We had Rhodes and Waynes outside and Mack in the slot. I've since come to the side of thinking that says you can never have enough corners. 

Funny how things change.