Strib: Clock is ticking on Cousins

@"VikeMike52" said:

@"Vikergirl" said: It is ticking though. He is not a long-term plan. He has more OL help now. It's time for results. Here's hoping things work out.

What if he goes deep into the playoffs, is he long term then? Kirk has not been the problem.

@"JR44" said:

@"VikeMike52" said:

@"Vikergirl" said: It is ticking though. He is not a long-term plan. He has more OL help now. It's time for results. Here's hoping things work out.

What if he goes deep into the playoffs, is he long term then? Kirk has not been the problem.

When you QB consistently melts in every game against a team with a winning record, then yes, he is a big part of the problem.  The rumor is that the Wilfs were the ones who put the orders in for a QB early in the draft and I would imagine they are getting tired of writing out big checks that are not resulting in wins.  

@"JR44" said:

@"VikeMike52" said:

@"Vikergirl" said: It is ticking though. He is not a long-term plan. He has more OL help now. It's time for results. Here's hoping things work out.

What if he goes deep into the playoffs, is he long term then? Kirk has not been the problem.

When you QB consistently melts in every game against a team with a winning record, then yes, he is a big part of the problem.  The rumor is that the Wilfs were the ones who put the orders in for a QB early in the draft and I would imagine they are getting tired of writing out big checks that are not resulting in wins.  

@"VikeMike52" said:

@"JR44" said:

@"VikeMike52" said:

@"Vikergirl" said: It is ticking though. He is not a long-term plan. He has more OL help now. It's time for results. Here's hoping things work out.

What if he goes deep into the playoffs, is he long term then? Kirk has not been the problem.

When you QB consistently melts in every game against a team with a winning record, then yes, he is a big part of the problem.  The rumor is that the Wilfs were the ones who put the orders in for a QB early in the draft and I would imagine they are getting tired of writing out big checks that are not resulting in wins.  

I've never heard anything remotely close to that, quite to opposite actually.  I've always heard Rick The Big Tuna makes the football decisions.  Of course he has to run thing by them but it's his responsibility to find the right players in the right positions. 

From PFF:
Galina: Kirk Cousins is a dark horse MVP candidate after the Vikings fortified their offensive line through the 2021 NFL Draft

One day, the prophecy will be fulfilled and Kirk Cousins will win NFL MVP or the Super Bowl. Considering how many average quarterbacks we’ve seen flirt with the award during the season and the recent Super Bowl signal-callers no longer starting for the teams they took to the big game, Cousins will come out on top one of these years.
We treat the Minnesota Vikings quarterback as one of these Jared Goff or Jimmy Garoppolo types, but in reality, he has been much better, consistently ranking in the top 10 in a number of traditional and advanced statistics each year.
Moreover, the Vikings' offense has been very good the past two seasons. The Minnesota passing offense was the fourth-most efficient attack in the league in 2019 and the 10th-most efficient last season. Yet, in Cousins' three years with the Vikings, they’ve been to the playoffs only once and won one game. How is this possible?

If we look at all the quarterbacks who have taken at least 1,500 snaps over the past three seasons, Cousins ranks seventh in PFF grade, at 88.7. That’s borderline elite, if not firmly elite. The biggest difference is that the quarterbacks who rank in front of Cousins win games. A lot of them.
Meanwhile, Cousins is 25-21-1 in the regular season for the Vikings. Patrick Mahomes is 37-8, Tom Brady is 34-14, Drew Brees is 30-8, Aaron Rodgers is 32-15-1, Russell Wilson is 33-15 and Deshaun Watson is 25-22. How is it possible that those guys have such better records than Cousins when the Vikings quarterback is not far from them statistically?

Also from PFF:  Most improved OL from Draft and FA:

Vikes at 3:

3. MINNESOTA VIKINGSThe Vikings, like the Chargers, have dealt with perennial offensive line concerns in recent years. They’ve put some resources into the position with early draft picks spent on Garrett Bradbury and Ezra Cleveland, but those selections haven’t panned out yet. The 2021 NFL Draft was another opportunity for Minnesota to add to the group, and they did.
The Vikings’ draft began with them trading down from the No. 14 overall pick, also giving up the 143rd pick, and receiving Picks 23, 66 and 86. That haul yielded two offensive linemen — Virginia Tech tackle Christian Darrisaw and Ohio State guard Wyatt Davis — and Texas A&M quarterback Kellen Mond. The Vikings could have very easily selected either Darrisaw or Alijah Vera-Tucker at Pick 14, but they turned it into multiple starting-caliber offensive linemen instead.
Darrisaw should be an upgrade over Riley Reiff as Brian O’Neill’s running mate at tackle. He improved each of his three years as a starter at Virginia Tech, culminating in an elite 95.6 grade in 2020. There’s almost a lazy way to the way he dominated ACC edge rushers this past season.
Davis figures to be the favorite to start at guard with Cleveland, competing against Mason Cole and Kyle Hinton, among others, for the open spot. He was one of the more reliable offensive guards in this class in pass protection, which had to be appealing to Minnesota given the team's interior pass protection struggles, and has some legitimate physical tools to work with.
Those two additions, along with potential improvements from Cleveland and Bradbury, could have the Vikings’ offensive line headed back in the right direction in 2021.

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"JR44" said:

@"VikeMike52" said:

@"Vikergirl" said:
It is ticking though. He is not a long-term plan. He has more OL help now. It's time for results. Here's hoping things work out.

What if he goes deep into the playoffs, is he long term then? Kirk has not been the problem.

When you QB consistently melts in every game against a team with a winning record, then yes, he is a big part of the problem.  The rumor is that the Wilfs were the ones who put the orders in for a QB early in the draft and I would imagine they are getting tired of writing out big checks that are not resulting in wins.  

Where is this rumor coming from? I've heard nothing of the sort. Link? Tweet? Podcast? 

At some point, fans need to understand that...ahem...FOOTBALL IS A TEAM GAME AND QB WINS IS NOT A STAT...

I think its natural for fans to want to find "one problem" when in the case of KC and the Vikings there is more than one causal at play both good and the bad. 

Giving KC the right O system? Check, Grade B (too many OC's)
Giving KC really good weapons? Check, Grade A+

Giving KC GOOD to AVG OL? Not Check, Grade C-, Trending-up 
Giving KC GOOD to AVG D? Not last year, GRADE C, Trending-up

KC consistently making good decisions and plays? Not Consistent, Streakie (@ GB a poster child game for many) B Grade as the stats in a vacuum look good. 

In summary, the Vikings organization has taken too long to support him up-front, he needs to play well more consistently, the D needs to improve and take the pressure off of the O.

Oh, lets not forget a dreadful ST too. After all it is a team game. 

Since his time with the Vikings Kirk has had arguably the best combination of playmakers in the league with two of the best WRs and the best RB.  I never hear anything about that in terms of Kirk's evaluation, it is always the OL that takes the blame for his shortcomings.  Go look at the tape, most of his awful plays and game crushing interceptions have come with clean pockets.  7-35 against teams with winning records and 3-16 since his time with the Vikes.  The Wilfs certainly have taken notice -

Wolfson: Judd, let’s start at the very very top: OWNERSHIP. I am told by multiple people that ownership drove the bus, not necessarily on that specific quarterback, Kellen Mond, but on the idea of taking a quarterback relatively high. And if it came down to it, even taking a quarterback in the first round. But that the Wilf’s didn’t want Spielman to wait until round six to take a quarterback. They didn’t want it to be like last year waiting until round 7, snagging, Nate Stanley.

Oh it’s just some Sticky clicky-bait…! ;) B)

Actual headline reads:  Vikings don't have a quarterback controversy, but the clock is tickingLol

@"JR44" said: Since his time with the Vikings Kirk has had arguably the best combination of playmakers in the league with two of the best WRs and the best RB.  I never hear anything about that in terms of Kirk's evaluation, it is always the OL that takes the blame for his shortcomings.  Go look at the tape, most of his awful plays and game crushing interceptions have come with clean pockets.  7-35 against teams with winning records and 3-16 since his time with the Vikes.  The Wilfs certainly have taken notice -

Wolfson: Judd, let’s start at the very very top: OWNERSHIP. I am told by multiple people that ownership drove the bus, not necessarily on that specific quarterback, Kellen Mond, but on the idea of taking a quarterback relatively high. And if it came down to it, even taking a quarterback in the first round. But that the Wilf’s didn’t want Spielman to wait until round six to take a quarterback. They didn’t want it to be like last year waiting until round 7, snagging, Nate Stanley.

Judd and Wolfson generating clicks and an attempt to connect the dots. The decision to move on from Mannion was painfully obvious months ago. Also, when did the Wilf's start getting involved in draft decisions?

C'mon. If you just don't like Cousins, that's fine. But this notion of QB wins is beyond ludicrous. 

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"JR44" said: Since his time with the Vikings Kirk has had arguably the best combination of playmakers in the league with two of the best WRs and the best RB.  I never hear anything about that in terms of Kirk's evaluation, it is always the OL that takes the blame for his shortcomings.  Go look at the tape, most of his awful plays and game crushing interceptions have come with clean pockets.  7-35 against teams with winning records and 3-16 since his time with the Vikes.  The Wilfs certainly have taken notice -

Wolfson: Judd, let’s start at the very very top: OWNERSHIP. I am told by multiple people that ownership drove the bus, not necessarily on that specific quarterback, Kellen Mond, but on the idea of taking a quarterback relatively high. And if it came down to it, even taking a quarterback in the first round. But that the Wilf’s didn’t want Spielman to wait until round six to take a quarterback. They didn’t want it to be like last year waiting until round 7, snagging, Nate Stanley.

And arguably one of the worst OLs. Last year that line was married to the third worst D in franchise history. 

Judd and Wolfson generating clicks and an attempt to connect the dots. The decision to move on from Mannion was painfully obvious months ago. Also, when did the Wilf's start getting involved in draft decisions?

C'mon. If you just don't like Cousins, that's fine. But this notion of QB wins is beyond ludicrous. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"JR44" said: Since his time with the Vikings Kirk has had arguably the best combination of playmakers in the league with two of the best WRs and the best RB.  I never hear anything about that in terms of Kirk's evaluation, it is always the OL that takes the blame for his shortcomings.  Go look at the tape, most of his awful plays and game crushing interceptions have come with clean pockets.  7-35 against teams with winning records and 3-16 since his time with the Vikes.  The Wilfs certainly have taken notice -

Wolfson: Judd, let’s start at the very very top: OWNERSHIP. I am told by multiple people that ownership drove the bus, not necessarily on that specific quarterback, Kellen Mond, but on the idea of taking a quarterback relatively high. And if it came down to it, even taking a quarterback in the first round. But that the Wilf’s didn’t want Spielman to wait until round six to take a quarterback. They didn’t want it to be like last year waiting until round 7, snagging, Nate Stanley.

And arguably one of the worst OLs. Last year that line was married to the third worst D in franchise history. 

Judd and Wolfson generating clicks and an attempt to connect the dots. The decision to move on from Mannion was painfully obvious months ago. Also, when did the Wilf's start getting involved in draft decisions?

C'mon. If you just don't like Cousins, that's fine. But this notion of QB wins is beyond ludicrous. 

JR is our resident Bridgewater apologist and Cousins hater.

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"JR44" said: Since his time with the Vikings Kirk has had arguably the best combination of playmakers in the league with two of the best WRs and the best RB.  I never hear anything about that in terms of Kirk's evaluation, it is always the OL that takes the blame for his shortcomings.  Go look at the tape, most of his awful plays and game crushing interceptions have come with clean pockets.  7-35 against teams with winning records and 3-16 since his time with the Vikes.  The Wilfs certainly have taken notice -

Wolfson: Judd, let’s start at the very very top: OWNERSHIP. I am told by multiple people that ownership drove the bus, not necessarily on that specific quarterback, Kellen Mond, but on the idea of taking a quarterback relatively high. And if it came down to it, even taking a quarterback in the first round. But that the Wilf’s didn’t want Spielman to wait until round six to take a quarterback. They didn’t want it to be like last year waiting until round 7, snagging, Nate Stanley.

And arguably one of the worst OLs. Last year that line was married to the third worst D in franchise history. 

Judd and Wolfson generating clicks and an attempt to connect the dots. The decision to move on from Mannion was painfully obvious months ago. Also, when did the Wilf's start getting involved in draft decisions?

C'mon. If you just don't like Cousins, that's fine. But this notion of QB wins is beyond ludicrous. 

JR is our resident Bridgewater apologist and Cousins hater.

Ah, well. There you have it. 

@"JR44" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"JR44" said: Since his time with the Vikings Kirk has had arguably the best combination of playmakers in the league with two of the best WRs and the best RB.  I never hear anything about that in terms of Kirk's evaluation, it is always the OL that takes the blame for his shortcomings.  Go look at the tape, most of his awful plays and game crushing interceptions have come with clean pockets.  7-35 against teams with winning records and 3-16 since his time with the Vikes.  The Wilfs certainly have taken notice -

Wolfson: Judd, let’s start at the very very top: OWNERSHIP. I am told by multiple people that ownership drove the bus, not necessarily on that specific quarterback, Kellen Mond, but on the idea of taking a quarterback relatively high. And if it came down to it, even taking a quarterback in the first round. But that the Wilf’s didn’t want Spielman to wait until round six to take a quarterback. They didn’t want it to be like last year waiting until round 7, snagging, Nate Stanley.

And arguably one of the worst OLs. Last year that line was married to the third worst D in franchise history. 

Judd and Wolfson generating clicks and an attempt to connect the dots. The decision to move on from Mannion was painfully obvious months ago. Also, when did the Wilf's start getting involved in draft decisions?

C'mon. If you just don't like Cousins, that's fine. But this notion of QB wins is beyond ludicrous. 

JR is our resident Bridgewater apologist and Cousins hater.

Ah, well. There you have it. 

Numerous reports that the Wilfs wanted a QB

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JR44" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"JR44" said: Since his time with the Vikings Kirk has had arguably the best combination of playmakers in the league with two of the best WRs and the best RB.  I never hear anything about that in terms of Kirk's evaluation, it is always the OL that takes the blame for his shortcomings.  Go look at the tape, most of his awful plays and game crushing interceptions have come with clean pockets.  7-35 against teams with winning records and 3-16 since his time with the Vikes.  The Wilfs certainly have taken notice -

Wolfson: Judd, let’s start at the very very top: OWNERSHIP. I am told by multiple people that ownership drove the bus, not necessarily on that specific quarterback, Kellen Mond, but on the idea of taking a quarterback relatively high. And if it came down to it, even taking a quarterback in the first round. But that the Wilf’s didn’t want Spielman to wait until round six to take a quarterback. They didn’t want it to be like last year waiting until round 7, snagging, Nate Stanley.

And arguably one of the worst OLs. Last year that line was married to the third worst D in franchise history. 

Judd and Wolfson generating clicks and an attempt to connect the dots. The decision to move on from Mannion was painfully obvious months ago. Also, when did the Wilf's start getting involved in draft decisions?

C'mon. If you just don't like Cousins, that's fine. But this notion of QB wins is beyond ludicrous. 

JR is our resident Bridgewater apologist and Cousins hater.

Ah, well. There you have it. 

Numerous reports that the Wilfs wanted a QB

What's clear is that the Wilfs gave no such mandate for a de facto Cousins replacement. They merely wanted the Vikings to replace Mannion with a more developmental type from the early to mid rounds, who, unlike Mannion, might also provide a succession plan down the road. This is what we ALL wanted, and this is what we ALL knew we would do. 

So there is no story here, no big revelation. Wilfs gave no 1st round mandate for a QB. If they had, we would've traded up for one (we had plenty of ammo), or simply took Mac Jones, who was a perfect scheme fit and there for the taking at 14. Vikings did neither. That should tell you all you need to know. 

@"JR44" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"JR44" said: Since his time with the Vikings Kirk has had arguably the best combination of playmakers in the league with two of the best WRs and the best RB.  I never hear anything about that in terms of Kirk's evaluation, it is always the OL that takes the blame for his shortcomings.  Go look at the tape, most of his awful plays and game crushing interceptions have come with clean pockets.  7-35 against teams with winning records and 3-16 since his time with the Vikes.  The Wilfs certainly have taken notice -

Wolfson: Judd, let’s start at the very very top: OWNERSHIP. I am told by multiple people that ownership drove the bus, not necessarily on that specific quarterback, Kellen Mond, but on the idea of taking a quarterback relatively high. And if it came down to it, even taking a quarterback in the first round. But that the Wilf’s didn’t want Spielman to wait until round six to take a quarterback. They didn’t want it to be like last year waiting until round 7, snagging, Nate Stanley.

And arguably one of the worst OLs. Last year that line was married to the third worst D in franchise history. 

Judd and Wolfson generating clicks and an attempt to connect the dots. The decision to move on from Mannion was painfully obvious months ago. Also, when did the Wilf's start getting involved in draft decisions?

C'mon. If you just don't like Cousins, that's fine. But this notion of QB wins is beyond ludicrous. 

JR is our resident Bridgewater apologist and Cousins hater.

Ah, well. There you have it. 

Lol!  Yeah, okay it's just me.  I am the only one who sees this?  Amazing the number of people who will put their head in the sand regarding Cousins.  7-35 doesn't matter!?  I could see 18-24.  So the talent on this team is so bad that we are 3-16 against winning teams??  He had nothing to do with us starting the season 1-5 in which he was completely awful?  Go ask Tampa if the QB doesn't factor into your team wins as they went from 1 winning season in 9 years to winning a SB.  

Numerous reports that the Wilfs wanted a QB, but then that is just disregarded along with his annual meltdowns that cost us wins.  The other thing that amazes me that he gets a pass on is that he provides absolutely no leadership on this team.  The only time I have ever seen him show any kind of passion and talking to a teammate on the sidelines is when he was showing up Thielen, other than that he is sitting on the bench by himself not looking at any kind of film.  But he looks like the part and he is a master of padding stats, so he gets a pass. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JR44" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"JR44" said: Since his time with the Vikings Kirk has had arguably the best combination of playmakers in the league with two of the best WRs and the best RB.  I never hear anything about that in terms of Kirk's evaluation, it is always the OL that takes the blame for his shortcomings.  Go look at the tape, most of his awful plays and game crushing interceptions have come with clean pockets.  7-35 against teams with winning records and 3-16 since his time with the Vikes.  The Wilfs certainly have taken notice -

Wolfson: Judd, let’s start at the very very top: OWNERSHIP. I am told by multiple people that ownership drove the bus, not necessarily on that specific quarterback, Kellen Mond, but on the idea of taking a quarterback relatively high. And if it came down to it, even taking a quarterback in the first round. But that the Wilf’s didn’t want Spielman to wait until round six to take a quarterback. They didn’t want it to be like last year waiting until round 7, snagging, Nate Stanley.

And arguably one of the worst OLs. Last year that line was married to the third worst D in franchise history. 

Judd and Wolfson generating clicks and an attempt to connect the dots. The decision to move on from Mannion was painfully obvious months ago. Also, when did the Wilf's start getting involved in draft decisions?

C'mon. If you just don't like Cousins, that's fine. But this notion of QB wins is beyond ludicrous. 

JR is our resident Bridgewater apologist and Cousins hater.

Ah, well. There you have it. 

Numerous reports that the Wilfs wanted a QB

What's clear is that the Wilfs gave no such mandate for a de facto Cousins replacement. They merely wanted the Vikings to replace Mannion with a more developmental type from the early to mid rounds, who, unlike Mannion, might also provide a succession plan down the road. This is what we ALL wanted, and this is what we ALL knew we would do. 

So there is no story here, no big revelation. Wilfs gave no 1st round mandate for a QB. If they had, we would've traded up for one (we had plenty of ammo), or simply took Mac Jones, who was a perfect scheme fit and there for the taking at 14. Vikings did neither. That should tell you all you need to know. 

@"JR44" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JR44" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"JR44" said: Since his time with the Vikings Kirk has had arguably the best combination of playmakers in the league with two of the best WRs and the best RB.  I never hear anything about that in terms of Kirk's evaluation, it is always the OL that takes the blame for his shortcomings.  Go look at the tape, most of his awful plays and game crushing interceptions have come with clean pockets.  7-35 against teams with winning records and 3-16 since his time with the Vikes.  The Wilfs certainly have taken notice -

Wolfson: Judd, let’s start at the very very top: OWNERSHIP. I am told by multiple people that ownership drove the bus, not necessarily on that specific quarterback, Kellen Mond, but on the idea of taking a quarterback relatively high. And if it came down to it, even taking a quarterback in the first round. But that the Wilf’s didn’t want Spielman to wait until round six to take a quarterback. They didn’t want it to be like last year waiting until round 7, snagging, Nate Stanley.

And arguably one of the worst OLs. Last year that line was married to the third worst D in franchise history. 

Judd and Wolfson generating clicks and an attempt to connect the dots. The decision to move on from Mannion was painfully obvious months ago. Also, when did the Wilf's start getting involved in draft decisions?

C'mon. If you just don't like Cousins, that's fine. But this notion of QB wins is beyond ludicrous. 

JR is our resident Bridgewater apologist and Cousins hater.

Ah, well. There you have it. 

Numerous reports that the Wilfs wanted a QB

What's clear is that the Wilfs gave no such mandate for a de facto Cousins replacement. They merely wanted the Vikings to replace Mannion with a more developmental type from the early to mid rounds, who, unlike Mannion, might also provide a succession plan down the road. This is what we ALL wanted, and this is what we ALL knew we would do. 

So there is no story here, no big revelation. Wilfs gave no 1st round mandate for a QB. If they had, we would've traded up for one (we had plenty of ammo), or simply took Mac Jones, who was a perfect scheme fit and there for the taking at 14. Vikings did neither. That should tell you all you need to know. 

How is that clear?  Do you have inside information saying so?  Everyone can twist what the rumors are to fit their own belief on the situation.  What does seem certain is the Wilfs wanted a QB high, if it was just to improve on Mannion there were so many guys we could have picked up without using a draft pick.   We have also heard from numerous sources including someone here who had a source that we would have taken Fields at 14, which certainly not jive with this take.   Not taking Jones doesn't prove anything, there were teams that were QB needy who passed on him.  He had the best playmakers in college and a brick wall and got to play two extra games in college's football stage.  Have him and Mond switch places and they probably switch draft spots. Everyone sees what they want to see.