Vikings looking at over $16M in cap space
Vikings added voidable years to Tomlinson's contract. Once Thielen's restructure hits the books, Vikings looking at $15.85 in cap space. And this doesn't yet include a Harry extension which should add a few more. Vikings definitely clearing cap space for.....someone.
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I am assuming that they are doing this to give Hunter what he wants to shut him the hell up. it would be nice to think that they are going to make some splash moves/signings but that really hasnt been their approach to FA aside from Cousins in the last 10 years.
@"JimmyinSD" said: I am assuming that they are doing this to give Hunter what he wants to shut him the hell up. it would be nice to think that they are going to make some splash moves/signings but that really hasnt been their approach to FA aside from Cousins in the last 10 years.
I disagree. With 3 years left, a neck injury, and making this public, Hunter is negotiating in bad faith. Not a precedent to set.
Thielen had two years left when we did his redo. Danny is going to have to play a year, then they'll pay him top 3 money.
JMO
@"JimmyinSD" said: I am assuming that they are doing this to give Hunter what he wants to shut him the hell up. it would be nice to think that they are going to make some splash moves/signings but that really hasnt been their approach to FA aside from Cousins in the last 10 years.
Thing is, extending Hunter would almost certainly REDUCE his '21 cap hit. Vikings might want to rollover some space into '22 when Cousins' cap hit goes up another $10M.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"JimmyinSD" said: I am assuming that they are doing this to give Hunter what he wants to shut him the hell up. it would be nice to think that they are going to make some splash moves/signings but that really hasnt been their approach to FA aside from Cousins in the last 10 years.
Thing is, extending Hunter would almost certainly REDUCE his '21 cap hit. Vikings might want to rollover some space into '22 when Cousins' cap hit goes up another $10M.
you keep saying that, maybe it would maybe it wouldnt, if he is wanting about 10 million a year more than what he is making now I dont know how they show a decrease this year without really fucking a future years ability to work FA or resign our own. pushing money into the future is a recipe for failure, at some point you just cant push any more down the road and you end up with shit for a year or two. IMO better to just keep things close to current so you can react to needs as they occur as much as possible.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"JimmyinSD" said: I am assuming that they are doing this to give Hunter what he wants to shut him the hell up. it would be nice to think that they are going to make some splash moves/signings but that really hasnt been their approach to FA aside from Cousins in the last 10 years.
Thing is, extending Hunter would almost certainly REDUCE his '21 cap hit. Vikings might want to rollover some space into '22 when Cousins' cap hit goes up another $10M.
you keep saying that, maybe it would maybe it wouldnt, if he is wanting about 10 million a year more than what he is making now I dont know how they show a decrease this year without really fucking a future years ability to work FA or resign our own. pushing money into the future is a recipe for failure, at some point you just cant push any more down the road and you end up with shit for a year or two. IMO better to just keep things close to current so you can react to needs as they occur as much as possible.
It's up to the Vikings on how they want to structure it. But it's just how contracts are structured. Damn near all of them. Now, the Vikings may choose '22 to be the low cap year considering that's when Cousins' cap goes up. But this is not Breesy can kicking when you're talking about a 26-year-old player.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"JimmyinSD" said: I am assuming that they are doing this to give Hunter what he wants to shut him the hell up. it would be nice to think that they are going to make some splash moves/signings but that really hasnt been their approach to FA aside from Cousins in the last 10 years.
Thing is, extending Hunter would almost certainly REDUCE his '21 cap hit. Vikings might want to rollover some space into '22 when Cousins' cap hit goes up another $10M.
you keep saying that, maybe it would maybe it wouldnt, if he is wanting about 10 million a year more than what he is making now I dont know how they show a decrease this year without really fucking a future years ability to work FA or resign our own. pushing money into the future is a recipe for failure, at some point you just cant push any more down the road and you end up with shit for a year or two. IMO better to just keep things close to current so you can react to needs as they occur as much as possible.
It's up to the Vikings on how they want to structure it. But it's just how contracts are structured. Damn near all of them. Now, the Vikings may choose '22 to be the low cap year considering that's when Cousins' cap goes up. But this is not Breesy can kicking when you're talking about a 26-year-old player.
its football, the risk is always there with big dollar players, especially ones coming off a missed season due to injury. We were told Hughes was going to be fine last year and that lasted how many weeks? locking in long term with a player in Hunters situation is risky, they can protect the base salary but that signing bonus is what you are talking about back loading and that is where we could really get hung.
@"BarrNone55" said:@"JimmyinSD" said: I am assuming that they are doing this to give Hunter what he wants to shut him the hell up. it would be nice to think that they are going to make some splash moves/signings but that really hasnt been their approach to FA aside from Cousins in the last 10 years.
I disagree. With 3 years left, a neck injury, and making this public, Hunter is negotiating in bad faith. Not a precedent to set.Thielen had two years left when we did his redo. Danny is going to have to play a year, then they'll pay him top 3 money.
JMO
I respectfully disagree. The 2 year vs 3 year thing is irrelevant.Hunter signed his deal and went out and had back to back 14.5 sack seasons. He earned a raise through his play.
His injury should not be a factor either although it is a concern.
Thielen missed several games after signing his second extension. Barr just missed most of the season after signing his extension.
The Vikings set the precedent by rewarding Thielen for good play after only two seasons.
If I were running the Vikings, I would give him a 7.5 option bonus (spread over 5 years) that would give him 20.25M in cash this year and only increase his cap hit by 1.5M.
Not sure if they can do it this way but they can give him a bonus and spread out his salary over 5 years by adding two void years. It can be done.
This way, he gets more money for this year and if he produces another double digit sack season they can give him the massive deal he wants.
20.25M should be good enough for one year so that he is able to prove it.
I'm sorry, I am 100% in the boat of not paying extra for a guy that played zero snaps last year. I love Danielle, great player, didnt play last year. He had 29 sacks over 2 season, 0 last year. He can be pissy if that's how he really feels...come play 8 games and give him a raise if he's still dominant.
This is the NFL and feelings get hurt because it's a business. His business team signed that contract and he's locked in for 3 more years. Want to hold out? I bet he wont like the fines that come with it.
essentially its a guy that has less than 10 sacks a year over the last 3 years complaining about making 17.5 million dollars this coming year.....
@"Hawkvike25" said: I'm sorry, I am 100% in the boat of not paying extra for a guy that played zero snaps last year. I love Danielle, great player, didnt play last year. He had 29 sacks over 2 season, 0 last year. He can be pissy if that's how he really feels...come play 8 games and give him a raise if he's still dominant.This is the NFL and feelings get hurt because it's a business. His business team signed that contract and he's locked in for 3 more years. Want to hold out? I bet he wont like the fines that come with it.
Or if you are proactive (and convinced he is healthy) you can make him happy, while getting a bargain because he has 0 leverage. Don't know I like that approach, but it is an option that preempts paying him top dollar next year if he blows up with our new Wall 2.0 (no relation).
@"greediron" said:@"Hawkvike25" said: I'm sorry, I am 100% in the boat of not paying extra for a guy that played zero snaps last year. I love Danielle, great player, didnt play last year. He had 29 sacks over 2 season, 0 last year. He can be pissy if that's how he really feels...come play 8 games and give him a raise if he's still dominant.This is the NFL and feelings get hurt because it's a business. His business team signed that contract and he's locked in for 3 more years. Want to hold out? I bet he wont like the fines that come with it.
Or if you are proactive (and convinced he is healthy) you can make him happy, while getting a bargain because he has 0 leverage. Don't know I like that approach, but it is an option that preempts paying him top dollar next year if he blows up with our new Wall 2.0 (no relation).
didnt sound like he was interested in discounts at this time.. basically just pay him.
@"BarrNone55" said: @MarkSP18 a neck injury that required disk surgery shouldn't factor in?Ok.
JJ Watt has a disc surgery too and has not had any other issues. I think his was in the upper back somewhere but not sure.
Either way, the Vikings are in a tough spot.
They are not giving Odenigbo a tender offer and only have Weatherly, Wonnum, Willekes, and Brailford.
They may sign a Carlos Dunlap, Everson Griffen, Olivier Vernon, or some other older vet.
I mean maybe he is not going to come back the same as before but he is looking pretty good.
If the doctors and Sugarman sign off on his health then what is the problem?
Giving him an extra bump for one year to a respectable 20M that allows him to prove he is back seems like a nice compromise that MIGHT keep everyone happy.
It also is not much risk for the Vikings besides giving the dude more cash.
But as always, most fans are against this kind of move. Most fans are more than happy underpaying and as soon as a player wants more they become a pariah.
If the Vikings want any kind of pass rush then they need to do something to keep him happy.
Here is a trade idea though that is probably stupid.
Trade Hunter to the Jaguars for Josh Allen DE and the #43 pick.
Not enough?
I'm not sure that back surgery and neck surgery is an apples to apples comparison.
With the CBA, I don't think the Vikings are in a tough spot. If Danny holds out, he gets fined daily. With an actual set of NFL caliber iDL, we can make due. Not optimal, but definitely miles ahead of the tepid rush we mounted last year.
Gimme the #23, #43, and Josh Allen and I'm good. Regardless, it's not happening for a mirade of reasons.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"JimmyinSD" said: I am assuming that they are doing this to give Hunter what he wants to shut him the hell up. it would be nice to think that they are going to make some splash moves/signings but that really hasnt been their approach to FA aside from Cousins in the last 10 years.
Thing is, extending Hunter would almost certainly REDUCE his '21 cap hit. Vikings might want to rollover some space into '22 when Cousins' cap hit goes up another $10M.
you keep saying that, maybe it would maybe it wouldnt, if he is wanting about 10 million a year more than what he is making now I dont know how they show a decrease this year without really fucking a future years ability to work FA or resign our own. pushing money into the future is a recipe for failure, at some point you just cant push any more down the road and you end up with shit for a year or two. IMO better to just keep things close to current so you can react to needs as they occur as much as possible.
It's up to the Vikings on how they want to structure it. But it's just how contracts are structured. Damn near all of them. Now, the Vikings may choose '22 to be the low cap year considering that's when Cousins' cap goes up. But this is not Breesy can kicking when you're talking about a 26-year-old player.
Case in point: Trent Williams record breaking $138M contract: Base salary in 2021 is $1.55M. 2021 cap number is $8.2M, and only $14M the next year. Both of which are lower the Hunter's current cap hit of $17M. Williams cap hit goes up big in 2023, but it's only fully guaranteed for the first two years. These contracts aren't what they seem. If the Vikings extend Hunter, his cap hit WILL go down. It just will. That's why I keep saying it.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"JimmyinSD" said: I am assuming that they are doing this to give Hunter what he wants to shut him the hell up. it would be nice to think that they are going to make some splash moves/signings but that really hasnt been their approach to FA aside from Cousins in the last 10 years.
Thing is, extending Hunter would almost certainly REDUCE his '21 cap hit. Vikings might want to rollover some space into '22 when Cousins' cap hit goes up another $10M.
you keep saying that, maybe it would maybe it wouldnt, if he is wanting about 10 million a year more than what he is making now I dont know how they show a decrease this year without really fucking a future years ability to work FA or resign our own. pushing money into the future is a recipe for failure, at some point you just cant push any more down the road and you end up with shit for a year or two. IMO better to just keep things close to current so you can react to needs as they occur as much as possible.
It's up to the Vikings on how they want to structure it. But it's just how contracts are structured. Damn near all of them. Now, the Vikings may choose '22 to be the low cap year considering that's when Cousins' cap goes up. But this is not Breesy can kicking when you're talking about a 26-year-old player.
Case in point: Trent Williams record breaking $138M contract: Base salary in 2021 is $1.55M. 2021 cap number is $8.2M, and only $14M the next year. Both of which are lower the Hunter's current cap hit of $17M. Williams cap hit goes up big in 2023, but it's only fully guaranteed for the first two years. These contracts aren't what they seem. If the Vikings extend Hunter, his cap hit WILL go down. It just will. That's why I keep saying it.
Not every agent/player is looking for a hallow contract to stroke his ego, hunter wanting 8 more per year is going to likely be real money that will hit the team hard at some point.
Minnesota will now pick up $7.9M in cap space on June 2 (useful for draft pick signing/in-season roster movement).
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