Theodore Bridgewater: Crystal Ball?

@"ArizonaViking" said:

@"Jor-El" said: I almost forgot Bridgewater threw 12 and 9 INTs his first 2 seasons (with only 14 TDs per year). It's amazing that Zimmer, famous for hating turnovers, was tolerant of that ratio. But it's more amazing that anyone still burns a candle for a QB who has barely averaged 1 TD pass per start.

I really think money is THE factor for many people's attitude about quarterbacks - even when they won't admit it. Cousins' contract doomed him to be disliked by those fans. The same people constantly brought up statistics about Sam Bradford's lifetime earnings with great anger, and it's probably the same people constantly citing Tom Brady giving the Patriots "a bargain". Bridgewater, meanwhile, was on a rookie contract and buying a house for his mom, etc. I know, a big salary can tip the salary cap to prevent signing other players, but I also think some of the attitude is just plain old wealth resentment.

Funny, but Cousins' current contract  isn't even the highest in the league right now.  Last I read it was like 13th or something.  I don't really care what the Vikings pay him, it's not like the money is coming out of my pockets or anyone else's for that matter.  Why people hate over this is amazing.

@"greediron" said:

@"Waterboy" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Teddy played well the first half of the season and then completely fell apart. Not sure what the cause was for that, but I'd put the Panthers at the top of the list of teams most likely to land Watson. Not sure what happens to Teddy now, but I sure hope he doesn't end up with the Bears. 

As I didn't watch any games, this is speculation, but that sounds like opponents getting film and recognized the limitations.  Now one could say the limitation could have been partly the offense, the coach and the QB.

But Teddy is likely a system QB.  I think he was the perfect fit with Zim.  Play smart, don't make mistakes and rely on the running game and the D.  What impressed me with Teddy was that when the reins came off, he played his best.  He put up good stats in the 2 minute drill and at the end of games.  He was kind of the opposite of Kirk, he thrived under pressure.

He wasn't going to be the next watson or mahomes, but he could have been similar to brady/montana.  Smart, efficient and winning.  (I say similar, not exactly like those guys in all their legendary status, so chill)

Umm, no.....  I'd take Kirk every day of the week over Teddy.  Teddy = purely a system qb.  Kirk a top 10 QB, but not elite.  Dollar wise, Teddy did fine.  Overall performance has never been at Kirk's level.  Do you see 4,000 yards or 30 TD's anywhere on this list?

Year	Team	CMP%	YDS	TD	INT	Rating
2020	Saints	60.9	118	1	1	70.6
2017	Vikings	0.0	0	0	1	0.0
2015	Vikings	65.3	3,231	14	9	88.7
2014	Vikings	64.4	2,919	14	12	85.2
Career		66.5	11,385	53	36	89.5

"He was kind of the opposite of Kirk, he thrived under pressure." 

Kirk puts up big numbers, he is a better QB.  But my point is, Teddy thrived under pressure.  Kirk, not so much.

Kirk has nearly doubled the number of both, and he has many more per year, even factoring in his firat three years where he played sparingly. 

@"greediron" said:

@"Waterboy" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Teddy played well the first half of the season and then completely fell apart. Not sure what the cause was for that, but I'd put the Panthers at the top of the list of teams most likely to land Watson. Not sure what happens to Teddy now, but I sure hope he doesn't end up with the Bears. 

As I didn't watch any games, this is speculation, but that sounds like opponents getting film and recognized the limitations.  Now one could say the limitation could have been partly the offense, the coach and the QB.

But Teddy is likely a system QB.  I think he was the perfect fit with Zim.  Play smart, don't make mistakes and rely on the running game and the D.  What impressed me with Teddy was that when the reins came off, he played his best.  He put up good stats in the 2 minute drill and at the end of games.  He was kind of the opposite of Kirk, he thrived under pressure.

He wasn't going to be the next watson or mahomes, but he could have been similar to brady/montana.  Smart, efficient and winning.  (I say similar, not exactly like those guys in all their legendary status, so chill)

Umm, no.....  I'd take Kirk every day of the week over Teddy.  Teddy = purely a system qb.  Kirk a top 10 QB, but not elite.  Dollar wise, Teddy did fine.  Overall performance has never been at Kirk's level.  Do you see 4,000 yards or 30 TD's anywhere on this list?

Year	Team	CMP%	YDS	TD	INT	Rating
2020	Saints	60.9	118	1	1	70.6
2017	Vikings	0.0	0	0	1	0.0
2015	Vikings	65.3	3,231	14	9	88.7
2014	Vikings	64.4	2,919	14	12	85.2
Career		66.5	11,385	53	36	89.5

"He was kind of the opposite of Kirk, he thrived under pressure." 

Kirk puts up big numbers, he is a better QB.  But my point is, Teddy thrived under pressure.  Kirk, not so much.

@"Waterboy" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"Waterboy" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Teddy played well the first half of the season and then completely fell apart. Not sure what the cause was for that, but I'd put the Panthers at the top of the list of teams most likely to land Watson. Not sure what happens to Teddy now, but I sure hope he doesn't end up with the Bears. 

As I didn't watch any games, this is speculation, but that sounds like opponents getting film and recognized the limitations.  Now one could say the limitation could have been partly the offense, the coach and the QB.

But Teddy is likely a system QB.  I think he was the perfect fit with Zim.  Play smart, don't make mistakes and rely on the running game and the D.  What impressed me with Teddy was that when the reins came off, he played his best.  He put up good stats in the 2 minute drill and at the end of games.  He was kind of the opposite of Kirk, he thrived under pressure.

He wasn't going to be the next watson or mahomes, but he could have been similar to brady/montana.  Smart, efficient and winning.  (I say similar, not exactly like those guys in all their legendary status, so chill)

Umm, no.....  I'd take Kirk every day of the week over Teddy.  Teddy = purely a system qb.  Kirk a top 10 QB, but not elite.  Dollar wise, Teddy did fine.  Overall performance has never been at Kirk's level.  Do you see 4,000 yards or 30 TD's anywhere on this list?

Year	Team	CMP%	YDS	TD	INT	Rating
2020	Saints	60.9	118	1	1	70.6
2017	Vikings	0.0	0	0	1	0.0
2015	Vikings	65.3	3,231	14	9	88.7
2014	Vikings	64.4	2,919	14	12	85.2
Career		66.5	11,385	53	36	89.5

"He was kind of the opposite of Kirk, he thrived under pressure." 

Kirk puts up big numbers, he is a better QB.  But my point is, Teddy thrived under pressure.  Kirk, not so much.

Please show one fact backing this up.  There are none, be it comeback or 4th quarter victories.  Kirk beats Teddy badly in any and every area you can look up. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"Waterboy" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Teddy played well the first half of the season and then completely fell apart. Not sure what the cause was for that, but I'd put the Panthers at the top of the list of teams most likely to land Watson. Not sure what happens to Teddy now, but I sure hope he doesn't end up with the Bears. 

As I didn't watch any games, this is speculation, but that sounds like opponents getting film and recognized the limitations.  Now one could say the limitation could have been partly the offense, the coach and the QB.

But Teddy is likely a system QB.  I think he was the perfect fit with Zim.  Play smart, don't make mistakes and rely on the running game and the D.  What impressed me with Teddy was that when the reins came off, he played his best.  He put up good stats in the 2 minute drill and at the end of games.  He was kind of the opposite of Kirk, he thrived under pressure.

He wasn't going to be the next watson or mahomes, but he could have been similar to brady/montana.  Smart, efficient and winning.  (I say similar, not exactly like those guys in all their legendary status, so chill)

Umm, no.....  I'd take Kirk every day of the week over Teddy.  Teddy = purely a system qb.  Kirk a top 10 QB, but not elite.  Dollar wise, Teddy did fine.  Overall performance has never been at Kirk's level.  Do you see 4,000 yards or 30 TD's anywhere on this list?

Year	Team	CMP%	YDS	TD	INT	Rating
2020	Saints	60.9	118	1	1	70.6
2017	Vikings	0.0	0	0	1	0.0
2015	Vikings	65.3	3,231	14	9	88.7
2014	Vikings	64.4	2,919	14	12	85.2
Career		66.5	11,385	53	36	89.5

"He was kind of the opposite of Kirk, he thrived under pressure." 

Kirk puts up big numbers, he is a better QB.  But my point is, Teddy thrived under pressure.  Kirk, not so much.

How does those TDs to turnovers s look if you add in fumbles?

@"Waterboy" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"Waterboy" said:

@"greediron" said:

How does those TDs to turnovers s look if you add in fumbles?

Why dont you tell us?   i think Cousins was averaging about four a year lost as a starter.  considering his oline rhe last few years, Im not sure thats exactly a game changer, but im sure Tedsy recovered more than he made, making him better there too?

@"Waterboy" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"Waterboy" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Teddy played well the first half of the season and then completely fell apart. Not sure what the cause was for that, but I'd put the Panthers at the top of the list of teams most likely to land Watson. Not sure what happens to Teddy now, but I sure hope he doesn't end up with the Bears. 

As I didn't watch any games, this is speculation, but that sounds like opponents getting film and recognized the limitations.  Now one could say the limitation could have been partly the offense, the coach and the QB.

But Teddy is likely a system QB.  I think he was the perfect fit with Zim.  Play smart, don't make mistakes and rely on the running game and the D.  What impressed me with Teddy was that when the reins came off, he played his best.  He put up good stats in the 2 minute drill and at the end of games.  He was kind of the opposite of Kirk, he thrived under pressure.

He wasn't going to be the next watson or mahomes, but he could have been similar to brady/montana.  Smart, efficient and winning.  (I say similar, not exactly like those guys in all their legendary status, so chill)

Umm, no.....  I'd take Kirk every day of the week over Teddy.  Teddy = purely a system qb.  Kirk a top 10 QB, but not elite.  Dollar wise, Teddy did fine.  Overall performance has never been at Kirk's level.  Do you see 4,000 yards or 30 TD's anywhere on this list?

Year	Team	CMP%	YDS	TD	INT	Rating
2020	Saints	60.9	118	1	1	70.6
2017	Vikings	0.0	0	0	1	0.0
2015	Vikings	65.3	3,231	14	9	88.7
2014	Vikings	64.4	2,919	14	12	85.2
Career		66.5	11,385	53	36	89.5

"He was kind of the opposite of Kirk, he thrived under pressure." 

Kirk puts up big numbers, he is a better QB.  But my point is, Teddy thrived under pressure.  Kirk, not so much.

Please show one fact backing this up.  There are none, be it comeback or 4th quarter victories.  Kirk beats Teddy badly in any and every area you can look up. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Waterboy" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"Waterboy" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Teddy played well the first half of the season and then completely fell apart. Not sure what the cause was for that, but I'd put the Panthers at the top of the list of teams most likely to land Watson. Not sure what happens to Teddy now, but I sure hope he doesn't end up with the Bears. 

As I didn't watch any games, this is speculation, but that sounds like opponents getting film and recognized the limitations.  Now one could say the limitation could have been partly the offense, the coach and the QB.

But Teddy is likely a system QB.  I think he was the perfect fit with Zim.  Play smart, don't make mistakes and rely on the running game and the D.  What impressed me with Teddy was that when the reins came off, he played his best.  He put up good stats in the 2 minute drill and at the end of games.  He was kind of the opposite of Kirk, he thrived under pressure.

He wasn't going to be the next watson or mahomes, but he could have been similar to brady/montana.  Smart, efficient and winning.  (I say similar, not exactly like those guys in all their legendary status, so chill)

Umm, no.....  I'd take Kirk every day of the week over Teddy.  Teddy = purely a system qb.  Kirk a top 10 QB, but not elite.  Dollar wise, Teddy did fine.  Overall performance has never been at Kirk's level.  Do you see 4,000 yards or 30 TD's anywhere on this list?

Year	Team	CMP%	YDS	TD	INT	Rating
2020	Saints	60.9	118	1	1	70.6
2017	Vikings	0.0	0	0	1	0.0
2015	Vikings	65.3	3,231	14	9	88.7
2014	Vikings	64.4	2,919	14	12	85.2
Career		66.5	11,385	53	36	89.5

"He was kind of the opposite of Kirk, he thrived under pressure." 

Kirk puts up big numbers, he is a better QB.  But my point is, Teddy thrived under pressure.  Kirk, not so much.

Please show one fact backing this up.  There are none, be it comeback or 4th quarter victories.  Kirk beats Teddy badly in any and every area you can look up. 

The 'Teddy the person' love I get.... The 'Teddy the NFL QB' love is very suspect. 3 teams now are going to pass on making him the guy. Yet he's better than Kirk Cousins to some. Its really odd.

Please show one fact backing this up.  There are none, be it comeback or 4th quarter victories.  Kirk beats Teddy badly in any and every area you can look up. 

Lol.  Go ahead and look it up yourself.  

Teddy thrived in the 2 minute offense with Zimmer, late in games.  I have no idea what went on with the Panthers this year, but in experience it is never all one persons fault.  

Tell me, other than the playoff win in NO, when has Kirk impressed with his under pressure abilities?  I like him and think he is a good QB, but that is his one big downfall.  

@"Waterboy" said:

Please show one fact backing this up.  There are none, be it comeback or 4th quarter victories.  Kirk beats Teddy badly in any and every area you can look up. 

Lol.  Go ahead and look it up yourself.  

Teddy thrived in the 2 minute offense with Zimmer, late in games.  I have no idea what went on with the Panthers this year, but in experience it is never all one persons fault.  

Tell me, other than the playoff win in NO, when has Kirk impressed with his under pressure abilities?  I like him and think he is a good QB, but that is his one big downfall.  

I already know the numbers.  You would benefit from the same.  You aren't right just because you keep repeating yourself.  Look up the numbers for 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives.  Twice as many for Kirk as Teddy, including more per year.  So, once again you're wrong, but just reiterate your incorrect stance again if you like.  Other than that, you were correct on all your points.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/comeback.cgi?player=CousKi00

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/comeback.cgi?player=BridTe00

@"greediron" said:

@"Waterboy" said:

Please show one fact backing this up.  There are none, be it comeback or 4th quarter victories.  Kirk beats Teddy badly in any and every area you can look up. 

Lol.  Go ahead and look it up yourself.  

Teddy thrived in the 2 minute offense with Zimmer, late in games.  I have no idea what went on with the Panthers this year, but in experience it is never all one persons fault.  

Tell me, other than the playoff win in NO, when has Kirk impressed with his under pressure abilities?  I like him and think he is a good QB, but that is his one big downfall.  

I already know the numbers.  You would benefit from the same.  You aren't right just because you keep repeating yourself.  Look up the numbers for 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives.  Twice as many for Kirk as Teddy, including more per year.  So, once again you're wrong, but just reiterate your incorrect stance again if you like.  Other than that, you were correct on all your points.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/comeback.cgi?player=CousKi00

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/comeback.cgi?player=BridTe00

Keep throwing stats, because we know stats are never twisted to meet the agenda.  As you know from fully reading my original comment AND my follow-up about excluding this last year, I was speaking to Teddy's year and change under Zim.  Pretty small sample size.  I also specifically mentioned 2 minute offense which includes at the end of the 1st half. 

So keep spouting your numbers to prove yourself right if that makes you feel better.  I was speaking subjectively ("kind of the opposite" should have been a clue) about a difference between Teddy and Kirk.  

So you are correct.  But you are only arguing with yourself on points nobody else made.

learn to read before going on a rant.  It helps

@"greediron" said: learn to read before going on a rant.  It helps

@"greediron" said:

Keep throwing stats, because we know stats are never twisted to meet the agenda.  As you know from fully reading my original comment AND my follow-up about excluding this last year, I was speaking to Teddy's year and change under Zim.  Pretty small sample size.  I also specifically mentioned 2 minute offense which includes at the end of the 1st half. 

So keep spouting your numbers to prove yourself right if that makes you feel better.  I was speaking subjectively ("kind of the opposite" should have been a clue) about a difference between Teddy and Kirk.  

So you are correct.  But you are only arguing with yourself on points nobody else made.

@"greediron" said:

@"greediron" said:

Keep throwing stats, because we know stats are never twisted to meet the agenda.  As you know from fully reading my original comment AND my follow-up about excluding this last year, I was speaking to Teddy's year and change under Zim.  Pretty small sample size.  I also specifically mentioned 2 minute offense which includes at the end of the 1st half. 

So keep spouting your numbers to prove yourself right if that makes you feel better.  I was speaking subjectively ("kind of the opposite" should have been a clue) about a difference between Teddy and Kirk.  

So you are correct.  But you are only arguing with yourself on points nobody else made.

@"Waterboy" said:

@"greediron" said:
learn to read before going on a rant.  It helps

no rant, just understanding the limitations of those who i engage with.