Jordan Reid On Darrisaw
Wrote down Duane Brown as his player comp. Really, really solid player.
Reid is fast becoming one of my go to analysts. Darrisaw really fits nicely in what we do. Beast in the run game and made himself some money vs Miami. Not crazy about him at #14, but no TVs would need replacing.
Nobody wants to create a hole at LT but if there is one position you can feel confident you'll get a day-1 starter at #14 or slightly after its probably OT. So cutting Reiff and using his money to fill other needs where the draft isn't as strong (DT ?) might make some sense. You could start Sewell, Slater, Darrisaw, and Cosmi day 1.
@"Geoff Nichols" said: Nobody wants to create a hole at LT but if there is one position you can feel confident you'll get a day-1 starter at #14 or slightly after its probably OT. So cutting Reiff and using his money to fill other needs where the draft isn't as strong (DT ?) might make some sense. You could start Sewell, Slater, Darrisaw, and Cosmi day 1.I'd add AVT to that list as well. He and Slater might be guards in the NFL, but until we know what we're doing with Reiff and Cleveland, we don't know where the opening is.
I think Darrisaw is a great fit in Minnesota and moving Reiff inside would give the Vikings an extremely good offensive line. Expensive move yes... but one I could get excited about.
The Vikings just gave Reiff a million dollar bonus when they didn't need to. That doesn't exactly sound like a team in a hurry to cut him. So, is the team working hard to try and extend him one more time to finish his career in Minnesota? If so, does that mean the Vikings want to keep him at left tackle? Will he be willing to move inside to guard for the final chapter of his career for a longer term deal?
https://sports.yahoo.com/vikings-riley-reiff-1-million-142416217.html
As much as I love Darrisaw,... I think the Vikings will actually be focused on the defense side of the ball with their first two draft selections. If you can't restructure Reiff as a high end guard to finish his career as a Viking,.. you then go ahead and draft a guard with one of the 3rd round picks.
O'Neil, Reiff, Bradbury, Cleveland, Udoh
Mixing up the lineup but retaining our best offensive lineman long term might be worth looking at.
I hear a lot of people expressing doubt that an OL is worth pick #14 - but I think there are at least as many question marks among the DT prospects. Barmore and Nixon might be picked in the first round, but IMO they are both just as much developmental prospects as Onwuzurike, Twyman, Tufele, McNeil, Wilson, or even Slaton. The first two had good years in 2020 but none of these have been multi-year studs. Risky to assume any will be instant starters.
On the OL, there are 4-5 prospects much more ready to play, but not as many that look so good a couple rounds later. (And the Vikings are not good at developing OL picked after the 2nd round.) If Darrisaw is available at 14 - and I'm not sure he will be - the Vikings should high-five like they did when Jefferson slipped to them. Then sift through the DTs remaining a round or two later and coach one up.
@"Geoff Nichols" said: Nobody wants to create a hole at LT but if there is one position you can feel confident you'll get a day-1 starter at #14 or slightly after its probably OT. So cutting Reiff and using his money to fill other needs where the draft isn't as strong (DT ?) might make some sense. You could start Sewell, Slater, Darrisaw, and Cosmi day 1.Key will be the activity in FA. Pursuing a player like Atkins/Short, particularly after you have moved on from Reiff, would make OL at 14# a logical as well as potential BPA fit. This team is two more QUALITY players in the trenches (with the healthy return of Pierce and Hunter) from being back into the deep playoff conversation. Atkins/Short has the proven ability now to step in and be productive, potentially very productive disruption from the inside of the line which makes EVERYTHING BETTER.
You are only as good as your weakest link on the OL. IF our worst performing lineman can be NFL average at his position, this team makes a big step in 21.
What would be best would be to keep Reiff, acquire Atkins or Short, and if a WR falls into your lap at 14#, well how could you not?
Luckily there are quite a few teams in the 20s that would trade up for pick #14 and that could result in receiving a 2nd round pick. I know mock drafts are mock drafts but seeing different scenarios where guys have fallen makes me think the Vikes will have their fair share of options to slide down and get back that lost pick.
Doesn't all of this conjecture really depend on FA, bot just for our team, but for those around us as well?
Its no real secret what teams need coming off the season, but that only where the games begin. So we need OL and DL, we would like about every other position, but if we cut Reiff as some want, that put OL front and center at 14, amd every team behind us will know that, so it increases the odds somebody that needs OL jumps ahead of us for a stud. It also comes down to what other teams do in FA and with their own.
The draft is such a complete crap shoot right now I would be surprised if GMs have even started to look at slotting and boards yet since there are so many variables left to play that could completely shuffle the decks.
@"JimmyinSD" said: Doesn't all of this conjecture really depend on FA, bot just for our team, but for those around us as well?Its no real secret what teams need coming off the season, but that only where the games begin. So we need OL and DL, we would like about every other position, but if we cut Reiff as some want, that put OL front and center at 14, amd every team behind us will know that, so it increases the odds somebody that needs OL jumps ahead of us for a stud. It also comes down to what other teams do in FA and with their own.
The draft is such a complete crap shoot right now I would be surprised if GMs have even started to look at slotting and boards yet since there are so many variables left to play that could completely shuffle the decks.
Yes.
But I have nothing else to do but run draft simulator after draft simulator. Do they have a draft simulator support group or my fellow enablers?
@"JimmyinSD" said: Doesn't all of this conjecture really depend on FA, bot just for our team, but for those around us as well?Its no real secret what teams need coming off the season, but that only where the games begin. So we need OL and DL, we would like about every other position, but if we cut Reiff as some want, that put OL front and center at 14, amd every team behind us will know that, so it increases the odds somebody that needs OL jumps ahead of us for a stud. It also comes down to what other teams do in FA and with their own.
The draft is such a complete crap shoot right now I would be surprised if GMs have even started to look at slotting and boards yet since there are so many variables left to play that could completely shuffle the decks.
Yeah, I don't think teams finish their boards until about a week before the draft. So much is going to be different then.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"JimmyinSD" said: Doesn't all of this conjecture really depend on FA, bot just for our team, but for those around us as well?Its no real secret what teams need coming off the season, but that only where the games begin. So we need OL and DL, we would like about every other position, but if we cut Reiff as some want, that put OL front and center at 14, amd every team behind us will know that, so it increases the odds somebody that needs OL jumps ahead of us for a stud. It also comes down to what other teams do in FA and with their own.
The draft is such a complete crap shoot right now I would be surprised if GMs have even started to look at slotting and boards yet since there are so many variables left to play that could completely shuffle the decks.
Yeah, I don't think teams finish their boards until about a week before the draft. So much is going to be different then.
Thats my point, so many people get so wound up about what is the right direction this time of year and there are so many cards yet to be played its like trying to count into an 8 deck shoe after the first hand..
I don't see Reiff accepting another $5M hair cut. It makes little sense to give him a 3 yr 30M extension (or thereabouts) when the draft class for tackles is very strong.
I think they'll try to trade him (Colts may be interested) and then let him test the market and maybe circle back.
In the draft, I like Sam Cosmi out of all the tackles. Before the season he was right around top 3 and now has fallen a bit. Many folks like Slater better and he did not even play. Cosmi had 495 career true pass sets in his career. He is very athletic and fits the scheme perfectly.
If they could trade down and get back the 2nd they gave away and still get Cosmi that would be great.
I think if you cut Reiff, you need to go all in on the rebuild, call 2021 a transition year where we develop cap freedom in the future. There will be too many question marks to realistically field a SB caliber team, and you need to maximize your future chances. This team can't go into 2021 with a suspect defense and also hamstringing the offense by weakening the OLine.
@"medaille" said: I think if you cut Reiff, you need to go all in on the rebuild, call 2021 a transition year where we develop cap freedom in the future. There will be too many question marks to realistically field a SB caliber team, and you need to maximize your future chances. This team can't go into 2021 with a suspect defense and also hamstringing the offense by weakening the OLine.
So Riley Freaking Reiff represents the plug in the boat? The cornerstone holding it all together? Without whom, we tear it all up, throw Dalvin, JJ, Hunter and Kendricks in the back and head down the rebuild road? You don't think you're overreacting just a teensy bit?
Look, the only reason Reiff is such a big question mark is because we've actually prepared to replace him. We drafted a left tackle last year and Reiff's contract this year is such that moving on from him makes financial sense. Problem is, he went and had himself a very good year. So there's the problem.
Personally, I think our line needs all the help it can get and so I try to keep him, but if his contract can turn into Geno Atkins or Joe Thuney? It might be time to start the Cleveland era.
My biggest concern about moving on from Reiff is our investment in Cousins. Not sure I want anything other than a proven quantity on Kirk's blindside. Especially with Mannion as the backup.
@"BarrNone55" said: My biggest concern about moving on from Reiff is our investment in Cousins. Not sure I want anything other than a proven quantity on Kirk's blindside. Especially with Mannion as the backup.No doubt. This is the biggest decision of the offseason. One that is probably keeping Rick and Rob up at night.
On one hand you have security at LT and RG and little cap space to improve the defense. On the other you have a good amount of money to go get your 3T, but you have an unknown at LT and another guard spot to fill.
The best solution might be to neither cut or keep Reiff on his current contract, but extend him. Good LTs are hard to find. He just turned 32 and so he probably has another 3 years in him. He could refuse it and look to get paid as a free agent next year, but he can't expect a big pay day at his age.
Either way, I'm glad the Vikings gave him the million.
@MaroonBells honestly, I hope it's not keeping anyone up at night unless it's on contract structure.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"BarrNone55" said: My biggest concern about moving on from Reiff is our investment in Cousins. Not sure I want anything other than a proven quantity on Kirk's blindside. Especially with Mannion as the backup. No doubt. This is the biggest decision of the offseason. One that is probably keeping Rick and Rob up at night.On one hand you have security at LT and RG and little cap space to improve the defense. On the other you have a good amount of money to go get your 3T, but you have an unknown at LT and another guard spot to fill.
The best solution might be to neither cut or keep Reiff on his current contract, but extend him. Good LTs are hard to find. He just turned 32 and so he probably has another 3 years in him. He could refuse it and look to get paid as a free agent next year, but he can't expect a big pay day at his age.
Either way, I'm glad the Vikings gave him the million.
That is the only way he will be on the roster going forward. I think the chance he's back on the last year of his deal is near 0.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"BarrNone55" said: My biggest concern about moving on from Reiff is our investment in Cousins. Not sure I want anything other than a proven quantity on Kirk's blindside. Especially with Mannion as the backup. No doubt. This is the biggest decision of the offseason. One that is probably keeping Rick and Rob up at night.On one hand you have security at LT and RG and little cap space to improve the defense. On the other you have a good amount of money to go get your 3T, but you have an unknown at LT and another guard spot to fill.
The best solution might be to neither cut or keep Reiff on his current contract, but extend him. Good LTs are hard to find. He just turned 32 and so he probably has another 3 years in him. He could refuse it and look to get paid as a free agent next year, but he can't expect a big pay day at his age.
Either way, I'm glad the Vikings gave him the million.
Is anyone else bothered by the idea of losing Reiff, who just turned 32, for Atkins (33 soon) or Short (32)? And OTs, provided they stay healthy, usually can play effectively to an older age than a defensive lineman. Reiff has missed only 9 games in a 9 year career.I just prefer signing free agents that have some future ahead of them, and maybe losing an older player only to get younger. I hope they keep Reiff, but regardless, let's get a 3T with a little tread left on his tires, like Sheldon Rankins.
@"Jor-El" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"BarrNone55" said: My biggest concern about moving on from Reiff is our investment in Cousins. Not sure I want anything other than a proven quantity on Kirk's blindside. Especially with Mannion as the backup. No doubt. This is the biggest decision of the offseason. One that is probably keeping Rick and Rob up at night.On one hand you have security at LT and RG and little cap space to improve the defense. On the other you have a good amount of money to go get your 3T, but you have an unknown at LT and another guard spot to fill.
The best solution might be to neither cut or keep Reiff on his current contract, but extend him. Good LTs are hard to find. He just turned 32 and so he probably has another 3 years in him. He could refuse it and look to get paid as a free agent next year, but he can't expect a big pay day at his age.
Either way, I'm glad the Vikings gave him the million.
Is anyone else bothered by the idea of losing Reiff, who just turned 32, for Atkins (33 soon) or Short (32)? And OTs, provided they stay healthy, usually can play effectively to an older age than a defensive lineman. Reiff has missed only 9 games in a 9 year career.I just prefer signing free agents that have some future ahead of them, and maybe losing an older player only to get younger. I hope they keep Reiff, but regardless, let's get a 3T with a little tread left on his tires, like Sheldon Rankins.
We all want a young free agent, but it's not a perfect world. We're restrained by the realities of the salary cap. What is the biggest bang for the least amount of buck? What's more likely to result in a Super Bowl? That's the question and it doesn't have an easy answer. It's possible that a guy like Atkins can come in and turn our DL into the terror it once was. I wouldn't kick that idea outta bed just because we'd only get 2 or 3 years from him. And then there's the argument that we likely drafted Cleveland to replace Reiff. It's not like we don't have other options at LT. Even O'Neill. Even pick #14.So on balance, what do you prefer? Reiff with Cleveland at guard and a rookie 3T? Or Cleveland, O'Neill or a rookie at LT and an 8-time pro bowl 3T? Yes, I know there are variables in each scenario (G, DE), but it's a good question. It's also possible with some painful cuts and can kicking, we can have both. I'm not here to provide the answer, only to ask the question.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"medaille" said: I think if you cut Reiff, you need to go all in on the rebuild, call 2021 a transition year where we develop cap freedom in the future. There will be too many question marks to realistically field a SB caliber team, and you need to maximize your future chances. This team can't go into 2021 with a suspect defense and also hamstringing the offense by weakening the OLine.
So Riley Freaking Reiff represents the plug in the boat? The cornerstone holding it all together? Without whom, we tear it all up, throw Dalvin, JJ, Hunter and Kendricks in the back and head down the rebuild road? You don't think you're overreacting just a teensy bit?Look, the only reason Reiff is such a big question mark is because we've actually prepared to replace him. We drafted a left tackle last year and Reiff's contract this year is such that moving on from him makes financial sense. Problem is, he went and had himself a very good year. So there's the problem.
Personally, I think our line needs all the help it can get and so I try to keep him, but if his contract can turn into Geno Atkins or Joe Thuney? It might be time to start the Cleveland era.
I’m saying that the Vikings 2021 SB chances are already very
slim. We’re on the wrong side of the
salary cap progression. We’ve got a
massive improvement we need to make on defense, and we’re probably only
returning 2 missing starters, as I have to imagine that Barr is out, and we’ll
likely lose Harris. Looking at our 2020
OLine, With Cleveland at G, we had a barely good enough OLine given our
exceptional skill position talent.
Without Cleveland at G, we heard constant references to Cousins not
having enough time, Bradford not having someone solid next to him, etc. Regardless, at the end of the SB, all we saw
was people referencing how subpar our OLine and how much of a difference
Mahomes’s OLine’s regression impacted their production. I don’t think our OLine can support a SB
caliber offense if it regresses from last year.
It was barely functional this year and it should really be upgraded if
we’re serious about a SB run. If we cut
Reiff, we’re going to be going into the next offseason with at least two holes
and three question marks on the OLine.
At that point you are just praying for a miracle that it all holds up
despite a decade of us seeing subpar OLine play, compounding it with the
unlikely situation that we can field a SB caliber defense in 2021. The odds aren’t good. I think our only real hope at a 2021 SB is
improving our offense to top 3, add to the DLine, and hoping that Zimmer can
work magic on defense and get that unit to top 10. We’re not going to build a dominant defense
in one year. We’re one more player on
offense now away from being dominant on that side of the ball. I don’t think
there is any room for cutting Reiff and hoping options develop, and I don’t
think Spielman has shown any real willingness to fill multiple holes on the
OLine with starting caliber players in any given offseason during the Zimmer
era.We really should have accepted that we needed to have a
rebuild year where we made sacrifices to give ourselves the ability to be on
the right side of the cap progression, to have options in free agency. Instead we made a ton of bad choices. We resigned Barr who’s midlevel but not an
impact player. We kept Harris for a
year, even though we can’t afford him long term. We committed to Diggs long term, and then he
forced his way out. We traded for
Ngakoue and then traded again, losing picks and $7M in cap space. All we succeeded in doing is stretching out
the subpar seasons into multiple years.
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