DJ's first mock
Some surprises here, but not at #14...
https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2021-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-zach-wilson-to-jets
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@"MaroonBells" said: DJ's second mock is now up....
There are picks I'd hate far more than this one.
If Devante is there 14 I'm getting on the phone with everyone behind me because I think he could get us back our 2nd round pick. Maybe the Jags would do 25 and 45 for 14...or 25 and 65 for it
@"BarrNone55" said:@"MaroonBells" said: DJ's second mock is now up....
There are picks I'd hate far more than this one.
It's tough to hate a player of that caliber, but unless we go Howie on all our contracts and bring in a boatload of free agents, it's not a pick I would even consider. I'm all for BPA, but BPA among our needs. Best Smith could do right now is be a WR3 on a team that doesn't use one (fewest 3 WR sets in the NFL last year). Looks good for the post-Thielen years, but what if he's a bust? If we bust on an OL or a DL, that's one thing. If we bust on a position we don't really need, that ain't go'n sit well.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"MaroonBells" said: DJ's second mock is now up....
There are picks I'd hate far more than this one.
It's tough to hate a player of that caliber, but unless we go Howie on all our contracts and bring in a boatload of free agents, it's not a pick I would even consider. I'm all for BPA, but BPA among our needs. Best Smith could do right now is be a WR3 on a team that doesn't use one (fewest 3 WR sets in the NFL last year). Looks good for the post-Thielen years, but what if he's a bust? If we bust on an OL or a DL, that's one thing. If we bust on a position we don't really need, that ain't go'n sit well.
If one of the Alabama WR fall to the Vikings at 14, that could open the door for a trade back among other things. The Colts and Browns were both rumored to have offered a second round pick for Thielen before the trade deadline. Would they now offer pick 21 or 26 for Thielen or want to move up Smith or Waddle? Something to keep an eye. Would the Vikings take a first round pick for Thielen and use that opportunity to unload his 11M contract?
@"MaroonBells" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"MaroonBells" said: DJ's second mock is now up....
There are picks I'd hate far more than this one.
It's tough to hate a player of that caliber, but unless we go Howie on all our contracts and bring in a boatload of free agents, it's not a pick I would even consider. I'm all for BPA, but BPA among our needs. Best Smith could do right now is be a WR3 on a team that doesn't use one (fewest 3 WR sets in the NFL last year). Looks good for the post-Thielen years, but what if he's a bust? If we bust on an OL or a DL, that's one thing. If we bust on a position we don't really need, that ain't go'n sit well.
I would view this as tantamount to drafting Moss when we had Carter and Reed or AD when we had Taylor. You find a way. Smith could tilt the field. Plus, he could be used in the return game. Plus, you've got protection if Thielen misses time and his replacement.There's guys day 2 to fill G, DE, and DT. Regardless, Smith isn't sliding.
@"BarrNone55" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"MaroonBells" said: DJ's second mock is now up....
There are picks I'd hate far more than this one.
It's tough to hate a player of that caliber, but unless we go Howie on all our contracts and bring in a boatload of free agents, it's not a pick I would even consider. I'm all for BPA, but BPA among our needs. Best Smith could do right now is be a WR3 on a team that doesn't use one (fewest 3 WR sets in the NFL last year). Looks good for the post-Thielen years, but what if he's a bust? If we bust on an OL or a DL, that's one thing. If we bust on a position we don't really need, that ain't go'n sit well.
I would view this as tantamount to drafting Moss when we had Carter and Reed or AD when we had Taylor. You find a way. Smith could tilt the field. Plus, he could be used in the return game. Plus, you've got protection if Thielen misses time and his replacement.There's guys day 2 to fill G, DE, and DT. Regardless, Smith isn't sliding.
I'm not nearly the draftnik that some of you are, and I did see Smith go off this year. But I'm in the camp who's worried about his size in the NFL. Even if the Vikings don't share those concerns, RS drafts for need in the first round every year. So I don't see WR being the pick.
Trading back if the board fell this way would be great but it's always easier said than done. Especially in these covid-years. My guess is the Vikings would end up keeping the pick but passing on Smith. AVT or Paye seem likely, in DJ's scenario.
@"BarrNone55" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"MaroonBells" said: DJ's second mock is now up....
There are picks I'd hate far more than this one.
It's tough to hate a player of that caliber, but unless we go Howie on all our contracts and bring in a boatload of free agents, it's not a pick I would even consider. I'm all for BPA, but BPA among our needs. Best Smith could do right now is be a WR3 on a team that doesn't use one (fewest 3 WR sets in the NFL last year). Looks good for the post-Thielen years, but what if he's a bust? If we bust on an OL or a DL, that's one thing. If we bust on a position we don't really need, that ain't go'n sit well.
I would view this as tantamount to drafting Moss when we had Carter and Reed or AD when we had Taylor. You find a way. Smith could tilt the field. Plus, he could be used in the return game. Plus, you've got protection if Thielen misses time and his replacement.There's guys day 2 to fill G, DE, and DT. Regardless, Smith isn't sliding.
That was a vertical team that Moss went to. And Moss was a generational talent. If not for the off-field stuff, he would've gone about 3 days before the 1st round began. AD similar sort of thing. I remember being surprised he fell to 7, but not at all that we took him.Situations are different. Teams are in different places. Vikings have 3 or 4 holes. And if they can fill all or most of them with quality starters, this team will return to the playoffs. Don't think a guy like Smith does that. Just another guy who won't be getting the ball if we can't give Kirk time to throw.
Gimme a WR in the 3rd or 4th round.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"MaroonBells" said: DJ's second mock is now up....
There are picks I'd hate far more than this one.
It's tough to hate a player of that caliber, but unless we go Howie on all our contracts and bring in a boatload of free agents, it's not a pick I would even consider. I'm all for BPA, but BPA among our needs. Best Smith could do right now is be a WR3 on a team that doesn't use one (fewest 3 WR sets in the NFL last year). Looks good for the post-Thielen years, but what if he's a bust? If we bust on an OL or a DL, that's one thing. If we bust on a position we don't really need, that ain't go'n sit well.
I would view this as tantamount to drafting Moss when we had Carter and Reed or AD when we had Taylor. You find a way. Smith could tilt the field. Plus, he could be used in the return game. Plus, you've got protection if Thielen misses time and his replacement.There's guys day 2 to fill G, DE, and DT. Regardless, Smith isn't sliding.
That was a vertical team that Moss went to. And Moss was a generational talent. If not for the off-field stuff, he would've gone about 3 days before the 1st round began. AD similar sort of thing. I remember being surprised he fell to 7, but not at all that we took him.Situations are different. Teams are in different places. Vikings have 3 or 4 holes. And if they can fill all or most of them with quality starters, this team will return to the playoffs. Don't think a guy like Smith does that. Just another guy who won't be getting the ball if we can't give Kirk time to throw.
Gimme a WR in the 3rd or 4th round.
Yup, Zimmer and co have time to develop a Wr3 but not an online or pass rush, if they don't fix the holes this year and make a strong resurgence they are done IMO, and simply .along the playoffs isnt getting it done IMO, they better be hosting a first round game at a minimum.
We are definitely a run first team, but when we do throw, I'd bet our average depth of target is up there.
They pass on Waddle @ 14 and this daddy is going to need a new tv...
@"purplefaithful" said: They pass on Waddle @ 14 and this daddy is going to need a new tv...Waddle is a great receiver and more well rounded than Devonta, IMO. Serious question, if we take Waddle do you try to trade Thielen to free up cap space and sign a Guard in Free Agency?
@"Hawkvike25" said:yes@"purplefaithful" said: They pass on Waddle @ 14 and this daddy is going to need a new tv... Waddle is a great receiver and more well rounded than Devonta, IMO. Serious question, if we take Waddle do you try to trade Thielen to free up cap space and sign a Guard in Free Agency?
@"Hawkvike25" said:The problem with that is FA will be long over by the time the draft rolls around... at least to get a legit starting OG.@"purplefaithful" said: They pass on Waddle @ 14 and this daddy is going to need a new tv... Waddle is a great receiver and more well rounded than Devonta, IMO. Serious question, if we take Waddle do you try to trade Thielen to free up cap space and sign a Guard in Free Agency?I honestly think it would be a mistake to draft a WR with our first round pick. This team needs to retool it's lines (both offensive and defensive). We don't need another flashy skill player pick... games are won and lost in the trenches. Look at the Super Bowl... the Chiefs with all those flashy weapons and a star QB got blown out with a make shift OL.
@"purplefaithful" said: They pass on Waddle @ 14 and this daddy is going to need a new tv...Well let's just hope all those QBs, CBs and WRs go early so we can draft a player who won't sit on the bench 71% of the time.
And i think you just bought that TV, so you might want to consider bringing in the old 19" Trinitron from the garage when you watch the draft. :-)
@"Wetlander" said:@"Hawkvike25" said:The problem with that is FA will be long over by the time the draft rolls around... at least to get a legit starting OG.@"purplefaithful" said: They pass on Waddle @ 14 and this daddy is going to need a new tv... Waddle is a great receiver and more well rounded than Devonta, IMO. Serious question, if we take Waddle do you try to trade Thielen to free up cap space and sign a Guard in Free Agency?I honestly think it would be a mistake to draft a WR with our first round pick. This team needs to retool it's lines (both offensive and defensive). We don't need another flashy skill player pick... games are won and lost in the trenches. Look at the Super Bowl... the Chiefs with all those flashy weapons and a star QB got blown out with a make shift OL.
Oh I agree, I definitely want to upgrade the OL and DL. I'm just creating fun conversation by playing out different scenarios because most likely, Thielen wont be here for the remaining portion of his contract.
@"BarrNone55" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"MaroonBells" said: DJ's second mock is now up....
There are picks I'd hate far more than this one.
It's tough to hate a player of that caliber, but unless we go Howie on all our contracts and bring in a boatload of free agents, it's not a pick I would even consider. I'm all for BPA, but BPA among our needs. Best Smith could do right now is be a WR3 on a team that doesn't use one (fewest 3 WR sets in the NFL last year). Looks good for the post-Thielen years, but what if he's a bust? If we bust on an OL or a DL, that's one thing. If we bust on a position we don't really need, that ain't go'n sit well.
I would view this as tantamount to drafting Moss when we had Carter and Reed or AD when we had Taylor. You find a way. Smith could tilt the field. Plus, he could be used in the return game. Plus, you've got protection if Thielen misses time and his replacement.There's guys day 2 to fill G, DE, and DT. Regardless, Smith isn't sliding.
Agree. Devonta with jj and At and isj? Nightmare fuel for opposing secondaries.
As to a "slide"? I saw this fan analysis on Devonta at another site:
#7 Detroit - Kenny Golladay is expected to be back despite being a free agent, but do you think Dan Campbell wants his first draft pick to be a skinny WR after talking about biting guys kneecaps off?
#8 Carolina - They're in the QB market and already have two very good, young WRs with Robby Anderson and D.J. Moore.
#9 Denver - They drafted two WRs fairly early last year with Jerry Jeudy and K.J. Hamler to go with Pro Bowl WR Courtland Sutton.
#10 Dallas - The Cowboys took CeeDee Lamb in Round 1 last year and just re-signed Amari Cooper to a big deal and have a promising young WR in Michael Gallup.^^Plausible.
I'd have a HARD time passing at 14.
@"purplefaithful" said: They pass on Waddle @ 14 and this daddy is going to need a new tv...I think Waddle makes more sense than Smith both now and in the future. Not to say a WR should be priority #1 but at least in Waddle you're getting more of a dynamic field stretcher and a "fixer" on special teams. He would have more of a day-1 impact so at least you can picture the ROI a little better. Although we don't play in 3 WR sets all that often the ability to run Waddle vertically out of the slot has some Tyreek Hills vibes to it.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"MaroonBells" said: DJ's second mock is now up....
There are picks I'd hate far more than this one.
It's tough to hate a player of that caliber, but unless we go Howie on all our contracts and bring in a boatload of free agents, it's not a pick I would even consider. I'm all for BPA, but BPA among our needs. Best Smith could do right now is be a WR3 on a team that doesn't use one (fewest 3 WR sets in the NFL last year). Looks good for the post-Thielen years, but what if he's a bust? If we bust on an OL or a DL, that's one thing. If we bust on a position we don't really need, that ain't go'n sit well.
I would view this as tantamount to drafting Moss when we had Carter and Reed or AD when we had Taylor. You find a way. Smith could tilt the field. Plus, he could be used in the return game. Plus, you've got protection if Thielen misses time and his replacement.There's guys day 2 to fill G, DE, and DT. Regardless, Smith isn't sliding.
That was a vertical team that Moss went to. And Moss was a generational talent. If not for the off-field stuff, he would've gone about 3 days before the 1st round began. AD similar sort of thing. I remember being surprised he fell to 7, but not at all that we took him.Situations are different. Teams are in different places. Vikings have 3 or 4 holes. And if they can fill all or most of them with quality starters, this team will return to the playoffs. Don't think a guy like Smith does that. Just another guy who won't be getting the ball if we can't give Kirk time to throw.
Gimme a WR in the 3rd or 4th round.
I like your Moss comment :). I thought AD fell more because he was coming off shoulder surgery and someone planted a story that there were concerns if the shoulder would hold up.
Waddle has more experience as a returner, but Smith did average over 20 yards a punt return on 11 attempts when Waddle went out injured. Not too shabby. Either guy, I'm not kicking in my Samsung. But, we aren't going WR unless we find a G and 3T/DE in FA.
@"BarrNone55" said: Waddle has more experience as a returner, but Smith did average over 20 yards a punt return on 11 attempts when Waddle went out injured. Not too shabby. Either guy, I'm not kicking in my Samsung. But, we aren't going WR unless we find a G and 3T/DE in FA.I wouldn't be so sure. I don't think they would pass on Smith/Waddle even without a G, 3T, and DE. The Vikings precedence in those instances is trade down to extract value or if all else fails take the player you have rated higher. So unless they believe Barmore, Rousseau, or Paye is on the same tier of Waddle/Smith I do think they'd pass on drafting for need. Good news is you probably have a slew of teams who'd be willing to move up.
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