Is it me or are NFL teams bagging on their rookie QBs quick?
The last few years especially?
Report: Some Dolphins players have doubts about Tua Tagovailoa (msn.com)
I was never high on Tua, never understood what everyone saw in him. So many of those same people didn’t think Herbert was all that and I honestly thought Herbert was better than Burrows.
Definitely way too quick to judge on Tua. I know this is Tua, but we all know the "Anonymous" folks are: Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jake Rudock, and Reid Sinnett ;)
It's a new era. Teams don't have the time or patience to develop a qb anymore. It's all about the quick fix.
Well, it's not like were living in an instant gratification world or anything...
Too early, but I also think that article is misleading. Sounds like the players are just wondering why they replaced Fitz when he was doing OK and the Dolphins were in playoff contention--a decision they ended up reversing anyway.
@"MaroonBells" said: Too early, but I also think that article is misleading. Sounds like the players are just wondering why they replaced Fitz when he was doing OK and the Dolphins were in playoff contention--a decision they ended up reversing anyway.I wondered how it was going to work out with Brian Flores playing musical qbs. I like Flores as a coach but that is tough on qbs and the team.
Seems like NFL teams no longer develop a squad, it's sink or swim after 2-3 years.
I happen to think that Tua isn't going to be a great NFL QB. Overrated and the media wants so desperately to crown him, too. Good kid but limited IMO, he's not Russell Wilson. Tua doesn't have the kind of arm to just whip it 50 yards while scrambling, and being short and having mobility as part of your game you need to be accurate on the run.
When he was drafted, the greater Miami area was over the top in how he would be an amazing player and transcendent for the community. You'd think they had drafted Peyton Manning or something. So much hyperbole by the Miami sports media . Actually it put a lot of pressure on the kid.
Not specific to Tua, but NFL and college offensive systems are now more similar than they're not. That wasn't the case 5 years ago.
In today's NFL you expect more immediate ROI on your QB since you're putting them in a system similar to what they ran the past 4 years. There are differences but its not a quantum leap. 5 years ago you had to basically onboard a QB into a pro style system which was a massive jump that easily could take 2-3 years.
@"Geoff Nichols" said: Not specific to Tua, but NFL and college offensive systems are now more similar than they're not. That wasn't the case 5 years ago.In today's NFL you expect more immediate ROI on your QB since you're putting them in a system similar to what they ran the past 4 years. There are differences but its not a quantum leap. 5 years ago you had to basically onboard a QB into a pro style system which was a massive jump that easily could take 2-3 years.
This gets me back to watching the Ohio State QB vs Bama...
That kid had to line everyone up, see how Bama was lined-up on D and then look back at the sidelines for the final play before ever hiking the ball.
I dont recall seeing that in college ball as much as I used to? It makes me wonder how much development he's going to need vs other QB's adapting to a pro system???
@"purplefaithful" said:@"Geoff Nichols" said: Not specific to Tua, but NFL and college offensive systems are now more similar than they're not. That wasn't the case 5 years ago.In today's NFL you expect more immediate ROI on your QB since you're putting them in a system similar to what they ran the past 4 years. There are differences but its not a quantum leap. 5 years ago you had to basically onboard a QB into a pro style system which was a massive jump that easily could take 2-3 years.
This gets me back to watching the Ohio State QB vs Bama...That kid had to line everyone up, see how Bama was lined-up on D and then look back at the sidelines for the final play before ever hiking the ball.
I dont recall seeing that in college ball as much as I used to? It makes me wonder how much development he's going to need vs other QB's adapting to a pro system???
It really depends on the coach and OC, everyone in college does it a little differently. What Ohio State was doing on the sideline was basically dictating how Fields was going to read his progressions. A lot of college OCs sit upstairs so they can basically read the defense from the QB and after the offense is set they basically use all of the funny pictures, gifs, and hand signals to say whether its man/zone and which receiver is going to be the hot read. Its not college QBs aren't capable but its easier to focus on calling the play and getting everyone lined up. Its also why you see a lot of college offenses motion guys around and then pause before snapping the ball. Like it would a QB it gives the OC a better feel for if a defense is in man or zone.Ironically when McVay took over for the Rams he was doing that for Goff. Teams eventually figured that out and made changes after the 15 second mark on the play clock when communication stops. But I would think lots of rookie QBs in the NFL get help pre-snap. 5 years ago that would be horrifying for a coach and they'd label the player as not ready. But really it just takes time.
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