Any 3T, OL or S worthy of #14???

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said: Daviyon Nixon

I'm going to be really curious how Nixon tests at the combine.  I admittedly have not watched a lot of Iowa football this season. I know he was a JC transfer that didn't do much last year but tore it up this season: 5.5 sacks and 13.5 tfl in 6 games. Maybe the whole Jaleel Johnson thing has soured me on Iowa DT's, but I would want more of a sure thing at that position.  Kiper has him at #10 on his bog board, McShay had him go at the 22nd pick in his recent mock draft, and GBN has him 18th on their board

isn't about time we, for once, trade up and actually get a very good oline or dline starter?

@"FLVike" said: isn't about time we, for once, trade up and actually get a very good oline or dline starter?

It's not a great year for defensive lineman so there's no need to trade up this year when we could likely sit tight and still have a couple good prospects to choose from at #14.  Daviyon Nixon, Paye, and both Miami DE's could all be on the board depending on how the draft falls. Same on the offensive line where there is depth, but no elite prospects outside of Sewell

Vikings biggest need IMO is 3T. Right now, it looks like there is only one 3T worthy of a first round pick (NIxon). And can we trust he'll be available at 14? Too risky. The Vikings cannot afford to go into 2021 without adding a starting 3T, so I see us filling that need in free agency. 

With that in mind, I see us either taking an OL (plenty to choose from in the middle 1st), an Edge (Paye, Rousseau), a QB (Lance or Jones) or trading down, recouping our 2nd, and taking a safety. 

@"MaroonBells" said: Vikings biggest need IMO is 3T. Right now, it looks like there is only one 3T worthy of a first round pick (NIxon). And can we trust he'll be available at 14? Too risky. The Vikings cannot afford to go into 2021 without adding a starting 3T, so I see us filling that need in free agency. 

With that in mind, I see us either taking an OL (plenty to choose from in the middle 1st), an Edge (Paye, Rousseau), a QB (Lance or Jones) or trading down, recouping our 2nd, and taking a safety. 

I agree but there's not a lot out there on the market as far as quality 3 techniques that will be available.  Leonard Williams is the best, but he'll get a contract the Vikings wont be able to come close to.  Otherwise you are looking at a retread like Suh or rolling the dice on a disappointment with some potential like Sheldon Rankins. 

I'd love to see Lynch get stronger this offseason because he's got ability. Pushed around way too much this season and that kept him off the field. 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said: Daviyon Nixon

I'm going to be really curious how Nixon tests at the combine.  I admittedly have not watched a lot of Iowa football this season. I know he was a JC transfer that didn't do much last year but tore it up this season: 5.5 sacks and 13.5 tfl in 6 games. Maybe the whole Jaleel Johnson thing has soured me on Iowa DT's, but I would want more of a sure thing at that position.  Kiper has him at #10 on his bog board, McShay had him go at the 22nd pick in his recent mock draft, and GBN has him 18th on their board

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Vikings biggest need IMO is 3T. Right now, it looks like there is only one 3T worthy of a first round pick (NIxon). And can we trust he'll be available at 14? Too risky. The Vikings cannot afford to go into 2021 without adding a starting 3T, so I see us filling that need in free agency. 

With that in mind, I see us either taking an OL (plenty to choose from in the middle 1st), an Edge (Paye, Rousseau), a QB (Lance or Jones) or trading down, recouping our 2nd, and taking a safety. 

I agree but there's not a lot out there on the market as far as quality 3 techniques that will be available.  Leonard Williams is the best, but he'll get a contract the Vikings wont be able to come close to.  Otherwise you are looking at a retread like Suh 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Vikings biggest need IMO is 3T. Right now, it looks like there is only one 3T worthy of a first round pick (NIxon). And can we trust he'll be available at 14? Too risky. The Vikings cannot afford to go into 2021 without adding a starting 3T, so I see us filling that need in free agency. 

With that in mind, I see us either taking an OL (plenty to choose from in the middle 1st), an Edge (Paye, Rousseau), a QB (Lance or Jones) or trading down, recouping our 2nd, and taking a safety. 

I agree but there's not a lot out there on the market as far as quality 3 techniques that will be available.  Leonard Williams is the best, but he'll get a contract the Vikings wont be able to come close to.  Otherwise you are looking at a retread like Suh 

I think Williams will be too expensive. I like Sheldon Rankins. Former 1st rounder, uber-talented, injury-plagued career keeps him at 2nd tier money. Saints can't afford towels in the locker room, let alone signing Rankins. 

@"PurpleCrush" said: Christian Barmore is an interesting prospect too. Maybe not at 14, but if we trade back or so. The few times I've seen him he was always making plays in the backfield.

He has flashed a few times today. The tackle on 4th down was pretty good

Changed my mind on Barmore after the last 2 games. He is a true 3T and worthy of being a 14 pick.  

@"mblack" said:

@"PurpleCrush" said: Christian Barmore is an interesting prospect too. Maybe not at 14, but if we trade back or so. The few times I've seen him he was always making plays in the backfield.

He has flashed a few times today. The tackle on 4th down was pretty good

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"PurpleCrush" said: Christian Barmore is an interesting prospect too. Maybe not at 14, but if we trade back or so. The few times I've seen him he was always making plays in the backfield.

I really like Barmore too. It'd be nice if we could somehow trade into the 2nd round and snag him. Obviously that depends on a lot of variables, especially who we take in the first round

Early on, Barmore was seen as a middle first guy, but he hasn't had the best season. If he can move back into that area with last night's game, it will give the Vikings another 3T to consider along with Nixon. Need to see a lot more, but right now I think I like Nixon better. He sure moves better. 

Leatherwood looks like an awful nice player, ready to move to Sunday's now...I think both those Bama OG's looked awfully good too. 

I see Alabama weekly - Barmore has been a tad inconsistent this year, perhaps due to them using predominantly 3 and 4 man pressures. He has looked incredibly productive the last couple of weeks. I like what I've seen of Nixon, my only question would be the level of competition he sees weekly. Mac Jones has grown more in one year than perhaps any college QB I've seen. Stands in against pressure extremely well and delivers on the money most often. Doesn't hurt that he was in Sark's offense which I continue to marvel at. Separating Barmore/Nixon and Jones/Trask/Wilson/Lance are where you hope your scouting department excels. Being correct on those close decisions are where sustainable winning franchises are built.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Vikings biggest need IMO is 3T. Right now, it looks like there is only one 3T worthy of a first round pick (NIxon). And can we trust he'll be available at 14? Too risky. The Vikings cannot afford to go into 2021 without adding a starting 3T, so I see us filling that need in free agency. 

With that in mind, I see us either taking an OL (plenty to choose from in the middle 1st), an Edge (Paye, Rousseau), a QB (Lance or Jones) or trading down, recouping our 2nd, and taking a safety. 

I agree but there's not a lot out there on the market as far as quality 3 techniques that will be available.  Leonard Williams is the best, but he'll get a contract the Vikings wont be able to come close to.  Otherwise you are looking at a retread like Suh 

I think Williams will be too expensive. I like Sheldon Rankins. Former 1st rounder, uber-talented, injury-plagued career keeps him at 2nd tier money. Saints can't afford towels in the locker room, let alone signing Rankins. 

@"dadevike" said: Changed my mind on Barmore after the last 2 games. He is a true 3T and worthy of being a 14 pick.  

I still want to see more consistency out of him. You need to ask, why did he just put it together right now? My personal opinion is that I've always liked the upside of Barmore but just don't see the value inside the top 20 picks. He fills a need for sure but I don't even know if you can expect him to play >50% of the snaps as a rookie until he develops better pass rushing moves. If you promised me the finished product he is worth a top 20 pick. But it just is going to take time to get him there which makes some of the more instant impact prospects more attractive. 

As of today I don't think there is a 3T or S that will sniff the top 15 picks which is kind of unfortunate. Depending what happens during free agency I think you can probably get an OT like Darrisaw at #14 who is a plug-and-play starter in place of Reiff. That doesn't solve your 3T or S problem but it does allow you move off Reiff and save $11.7M. That easily gives you enough cap space to chase someone like Rankins @MaroonBells suggested or Geno Atkins. 

@"purplefaithful" said: Leatherwood looks like an awful nice player, ready to move to Sunday's now...I think both those Bama OG's looked awfully good too. 

yes. i am liking a trade back with him a prime target. plug in player and KC needs help

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Vikings biggest need IMO is 3T. Right now, it looks like there is only one 3T worthy of a first round pick (NIxon). And can we trust he'll be available at 14? Too risky. The Vikings cannot afford to go into 2021 without adding a starting 3T, so I see us filling that need in free agency. 

With that in mind, I see us either taking an OL (plenty to choose from in the middle 1st), an Edge (Paye, Rousseau), a QB (Lance or Jones) or trading down, recouping our 2nd, and taking a safety. 

I agree but there's not a lot out there on the market as far as quality 3 techniques that will be available.  Leonard Williams is the best, but he'll get a contract the Vikings wont be able to come close to.  Otherwise you are looking at a retread like Suh 

I think Williams will be too expensive. I like Sheldon Rankins. Former 1st rounder, uber-talented, injury-plagued career keeps him at 2nd tier money. Saints can't afford towels in the locker room, let alone signing Rankins. 

I think Rankins will end up being high on their list. Not only does he fill a need at 3T but the Vikings FO that is still intact were big fans of him in that draft class. If you look at their free agent signings they're tied to the majority in their original draft years. 

Another name to watch is Geno Atkins. He won't break the bank at 33 but probably has a year or two left. I'm typically not in the market for adding older players but he is a good stop-gap option if they can draft and develop someone like Twyman who could be had in the 3rd round.