Teddy Bridgewater and the QB domino effect

Honestly, Teddy isn't the answer anywhere. He's limited. If you are telling me I can only have either Cousins or Bridgewater, I'll take Cousins every time.

I loved Teddy,  but no.  If we Trade Cousins for pick 46 then we use 46 and next years first if necessary to move up and take Wilson,  or use our first and a couple of those 3s and 4s to take Lance to sit behind Cousins and learn while we watch 2 more years of cap helll football.

@"StickyBun" said: Honestly, Teddy isn't the answer anywhere. He's limited. If you are telling me I can only have either Cousins or Bridgewater, I'll take Cousins every time.

I like hearing your support for Cousins over Teddy... that attitude and support from Vikings fans has been "lacking" IMO over the last two years.

It's not just about Cousins or Bridgewater. If a QB like Wilson or Lance doesn't fall to the Vikings in the 1st round, then what? Reach for Kyle Trask? Draft a QB in round 3 or 4 to groom behind Cousins? 

Would you take a second round pick for Cousins before the draft, and attempt to trade up for a QB on draft day?

Just curious as to how the QB dominos effect will fall and if it will involve the Vikings.

@"Carl Knowles" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Honestly, Teddy isn't the answer anywhere. He's limited. If you are telling me I can only have either Cousins or Bridgewater, I'll take Cousins every time.

I like hearing your support for Cousins over Teddy... that attitude and support from Vikings fans has been "lacking" IMO over the last two years.

It's not just about Cousins or Bridgewater. If a QB like Wilson or Lance doesn't fall to the Vikings in the 1st round, then what? Reach for Kyle Trask? Draft a QB in round 3 or 4 to groom behind Cousins? 

Would you take a second round pick for Cousins before the draft, and attempt to trade up for a QB on draft day?

Just curious as to how the QB dominos effect will fall and if it will involve the Vikings.

Why are we trading Cousins? He's 8th in TD passes in an offense that runs the 4th most. He's 6th all time in QBr. He owns the longest current streak of 25+ TD seasons. This thought that we are going to draft the next Mahomes is lunacy. 

I really don't understand this fan base. 

@"BarrNone55" said: Why are we trading Cousins? He's 8th in TD passes in an offense that runs the 4th most. He's 6th all time in QBr. He owns the longest current streak of 25+ TD seasons. This thought that we are going to draft the next Mahomes is lunacy. 

I really don't understand this fan base. 

I agree...KC is our best QB since Bert.

That said, I want to draft one of the young guns this year ---- if they have strong conviction for one. 

KC just needs what the Vikings are forever incapable of - a competent offensive line.

Plus he's like that little girl who had a curl. You know? When she was bad, she was horrid. 

If a top QB prospect falls to them in the first, then I'd like the pick.  This team has so many holes now on defense and still the OLine, they can't really rule out any position.  Although getting TB and getting rid of Cousins huge contract would be interesting.  The Vikings are in rebuild mode, and with or without Cousins, I see maybe an 8-8 team at best next season.  I wouldn't care if Cousins was moved as part of a rebuild, and we retooled with a less expensive TB running the offense until a young replacement QB is ready.  I'm just not sure if that rookie QB will be drafted this year or next. 

I certainly don't see Cousins leading the Viking as part of the rebuild.  His monster contract is a major part of the problem.

The road to a SB win is almost always going through an elite,
HOF caliber QB.  If you don’t have one,
your primary goal is finding the next one. 
Your secondary goal is to do as well as you can with the QB you’ve got and hope you get lucky and all the stars align for your team.

I think Cousins had a pretty good year, but he’s not good
enough to carry a team.

You need to draft guys who have elite potential until one of
them hits.  Hitching our wagon to Cousins
and then never drafting a QB is beyond stupid. 
Cousins is a placeholder until you find the real QB.

I don’t think there’s a marked difference in terms of
contribution to winning between a Cousins and a Bridgewater.  The gap is certainly much larger between either
of them and an actual elite QB.  I would
have preferred Bridgewater at $20M over Cousins at $30M as a placeholder QB,
but I can’t imagine there’s any financial advantage to switching now.  Both Cousins and Bridgewater would be fine
QBs at the helm of a perfectly rostered team, but that’s not what we have and
we’re not likely to have it in 2021 either. 
Hopefully, if we’re able to put a functioning defense on the field, we
should be back to playoff football, but we’ll need to make sure we don’t
regress on OLine in the process, which is a pretty big question mark given
Reiff’s contract.

Well, Teddy just set his career high with 15 TD passes this season. Has 1 for the month of December. Yeah, that will inspire the fan base. 

Torturing logic and reality because... Teddy!   A mediocrity for the mediocre team with the mediocre coach and g.m.  I guess he'd fit right in.  It's so very Minnesota sports fan.

@"medaille" said:

I think Cousins had a pretty good year, but he’s not good
enough to carry a team.

You need to draft guys who have elite potential until one of
them hits.  Hitching our wagon to Cousins
and then never drafting a QB is beyond stupid. 
Cousins is a placeholder until you find the real QB.

I don’t think there’s a marked difference in terms of
contribution to winning between a Cousins and a Bridgewater.  The gap is certainly much larger between either
of them and an actual elite QB.

This 1000%.
The QB position is different and needs to be evaluated differently. IMO it's better to think of QBs like you would think of NBA stars, than you would NFL players.
If you don't have Lebron James, Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, then it doesn't really matter if you have Karl Anthony Towns or some bum. You gotta try to find THE Guy if you wanna win championships. Then you build the entire team and organization around him. Not the other way around.
The odds of winning a Super Bowl are greatly improved if you have a HOF QB. If you don't have one-- try to find one.

@"Carl Knowles" said: Before the trade deadline in early November, I was one of the first to project Zach Wilson as a first round pick. I also talked about a three way trade between Carolina, 49ers and the Vikings that would net the Vikings a second round pick for Cousins and open the door for Teddy Bridgewater to return to Minnesota. Yes, I was mocked then but my how things have changed over the last two months

Tankathon is currently projecting Zach Wilson at #9 to the Carolina Panthers and the Vikings just miss landing Trey Lance by one pick in the first round. The 49ers also are projected to miss out on a first round QB, so at pick 46, Kyle Trask is the projected pick for the 49ers,.. or they could trade that pick for a veteran QB like Matt Ryan, Mathew Stafford or Kirk Cousins. Kyle Shanahan needs to turn the 49ers fortunes around quickly, and I think he goes in the veteran direction.

If the Vikings trade Cousins for pick #46, could Teddy come back to Minnesota for a mere third or forth round pick? 

Tim Weaver thinks a game manager like Teddy is not the answer in Carolina.

https://sports.yahoo.com/2-pff-stats-explain-teddy-143101526.html
 

Dude, I'm the biggest Teddy fan in the world, but I believed then and I believe now that Cousins is the better QB. 

Point is moot anyway, no team could afford the contract of both QBs. 

@"BarrNone55" said: Why are we trading Cousins? He's 8th in TD passes in an offense that runs the 4th most. He's 6th all time in QBr. He owns the longest current streak of 25+ TD seasons. This thought that we are going to draft the next Mahomes is lunacy. 

I really don't understand this fan base. 

Kirk has all the talent in the world and he puts up great stats, but the one thing he doesn't put up is wins.  We had one of the best offenses in the league this year and our defense severely held us back, but there have been many Viking teams with really bad defenses that went on to the playoffs, because of exceptional offenses that knew how to win football teams.  Kirk had a great statistical season, but he gave away games early in the season that put us in a hole and during the stretch run he had two chances to take this team down for a winning or tying score with plenty of time on the clock and couldn't get a first down.  Those two drives put us in the playoffs.  Not sure how you can look at his record against winning teams or in prime time and think he is the answer.  If you want 2 more seasons of great performances against the Lions followed by wilting against the better teams then he is your QB. 

Here is the deal with Cousins.  He will be 33 years old next season.  Unless there is another restructure or extension, he is basically under contract for one more season.  None of his salary is guaranteed for the 2022 season and if the Vikings released him it would give them 35 million dollars in cap space. The smart move would be to draft our QBOTF this year, let them sit and learn for a season to be ready to go in 2022. I'm a big Trey Lance fan and to me that is someone that makes sense all the way around. 

Ah yes, in the ultimate team sport, wins and losses fall squarely on the shoulders of the QB.

@"supafreak84" said: Here is the deal with Cousins.  He will be 33 years old next season.  Unless there is another restructure or extension, he is basically under contract for one more season.  None of his salary is guaranteed for the 2022 season and if the Vikings released him it would give them 35 million dollars in cap space. The smart move would be to draft our QBOTF this year, let them sit and learn for a season to be ready to go in 2022. I'm a big Trey Lance fan and to me that is someone that makes sense all the way around. 

But there is a clause in Kirk's contract which makes your statement about him in 2022 wrong: "2022 salary fully guarantees on the 3rd league day of 2021." So unless you cut him before the 2021 league season starts (April 17 2021), both his 2021 AND 2022 contracts are fully guaranteed. It's like a poison pill in his deal: we are either fully committed for the next 2 seasons or we cut him now. 

This means there is a chance we have seen the last Cousins pass as a Viking, if they sit him against Detroit. I expect Spielman wants to play him for the next 2 years, but the Wilfs may have a say in the matter.

@"Jor-El" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Here is the deal with Cousins.  He will be 33 years old next season.  Unless there is another restructure or extension, he is basically under contract for one more season.  None of his salary is guaranteed for the 2022 season and if the Vikings released him it would give them 35 million dollars in cap space. The smart move would be to draft our QBOTF this year, let them sit and learn for a season to be ready to go in 2022. I'm a big Trey Lance fan and to me that is someone that makes sense all the way around. 

But there is a clause in Kirk's contract which makes your statement about him in 2022 wrong: "2022 salary fully guarantees on the 3rd league day of 2021." So unless you cut him before the 2021 league season starts (April 17 2021), both his 2021 AND 2022 contracts are fully guaranteed. It's like a poison pill in his deal: we are either fully committed for the next 2 seasons or we cut him now. 

This means there is a chance we have seen the last Cousins pass as a Viking, if they sit him against Detroit. I expect Spielman wants to play him for the next 2 years, but the Wilfs may have a say in the matter.

@"medaille" said: The road to a SB win is almost always going through an elite, HOF caliber QB.  If you don’t have one, your primary goal is finding the next one.  Your secondary goal is to do as well as you can with the QB you’ve got and hope you get lucky and all the stars align for your team.

I think Cousins had a pretty good year, but he’s not good
enough to carry a team.

You need to draft guys who have elite potential until one of
them hits.  Hitching our wagon to Cousins
and then never drafting a QB is beyond stupid. 
Cousins is a placeholder until you find the real QB.

I don’t think there’s a marked difference in terms of
contribution to winning between a Cousins and a Bridgewater.  The gap is certainly much larger between either
of them and an actual elite QB.  I would
have preferred Bridgewater at $20M over Cousins at $30M as a placeholder QB,
but I can’t imagine there’s any financial advantage to switching now.  Both Cousins and Bridgewater would be fine
QBs at the helm of a perfectly rostered team, but that’s not what we have and
we’re not likely to have it in 2021 either. 
Hopefully, if we’re able to put a functioning defense on the field, we
should be back to playoff football, but we’ll need to make sure we don’t
regress on OLine in the process, which is a pretty big question mark given
Reiff’s contract.

Cant' remember who said it, but a great quarterback wins games, but a great defense wins championships...

@"Jor-El" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Here is the deal with Cousins.  He will be 33 years old next season.  Unless there is another restructure or extension, he is basically under contract for one more season.  None of his salary is guaranteed for the 2022 season and if the Vikings released him it would give them 35 million dollars in cap space. The smart move would be to draft our QBOTF this year, let them sit and learn for a season to be ready to go in 2022. I'm a big Trey Lance fan and to me that is someone that makes sense all the way around. 

But there is a clause in Kirk's contract which makes your statement about him in 2022 wrong: "2022 salary fully guarantees on the 3rd league day of 2021." So unless you cut him before the 2021 league season starts (April 17 2021), both his 2021 AND 2022 contracts are fully guaranteed. It's like a poison pill in his deal: we are either fully committed for the next 2 seasons or we cut him now. 

This means there is a chance we have seen the last Cousins pass as a Viking, if they sit him against Detroit. I expect Spielman wants to play him for the next 2 years, but the Wilfs may have a say in the matter.

@"Carl Knowles" said:

@"Jor-El" said:

@"supafreak84" said: Here is the deal with Cousins.  He will be 33 years old next season.  Unless there is another restructure or extension, he is basically under contract for one more season.  None of his salary is guaranteed for the 2022 season and if the Vikings released him it would give them 35 million dollars in cap space. The smart move would be to draft our QBOTF this year, let them sit and learn for a season to be ready to go in 2022. I'm a big Trey Lance fan and to me that is someone that makes sense all the way around. 

But there is a clause in Kirk's contract which makes your statement about him in 2022 wrong: "2022 salary fully guarantees on the 3rd league day of 2021." So unless you cut him before the 2021 league season starts (April 17 2021), both his 2021 AND 2022 contracts are fully guaranteed. It's like a poison pill in his deal: we are either fully committed for the next 2 seasons or we cut him now. 

This means there is a chance we have seen the last Cousins pass as a Viking, if they sit him against Detroit. I expect Spielman wants to play him for the next 2 years, but the Wilfs may have a say in the matter.

@Jor-El  AGREE!
I believe his salary is 45M for 2022... (35M plus a 10M signing bonus). Crazy Big Money! That is a lot of money for a team that is struggling to even compete for a wild card. If they cut him this offseason... yes they eat a lot of guaranteed money over next season and a little in 2022, but the Vikings stop the bleeding with the Cousins spending spree.

IMO a trade would be the better scenario for both Cousins and the Vikings.