Stefanski or Zimmer Poll
Mike Florio likes Kevin Stefanski for coach of the year.
https://www.nbcsports.com/video/mike-tomlin-kevin-stefanski-among-favorites-win-coach-year?ls=pftvod
Stefanski was awful when he was here and as much as Zimmer has messed up, Stefanski will never be half the coach Zimmer is. Cleveland has to be one of the most overhyped teams in the league. They have beaten two teams with a winning record all year. Let's wait for them to actually do something before we crown them and Stefanski.
Like the other coaches that leave, Stefanski gained his experience here in order to do something better elsewhere.
@"JR44" said: Stefanski was awful when he was here and as much as Zimmer has messed up, Stefanski will never be half the coach Zimmer is. Cleveland has to be one of the most overhyped teams in the league. They have beaten two teams with a winning record all year. Let's wait for them to actually do something before we crown them and Stefanski.He had to try and follow Zimmers marching orders, hard to say how things may have been different if he wasn't micro managed, the same goes for defillipo. I think norv leaving like he did was a result of Zims unwillingness to open the offense up more to male play calling easier. It's got to be tough to make Zimmer happy with the play calling and still consistently move the chains and more importantly the score board.
Raise your hand if you don't think Cleveland had a talented roster when Stefanski took over? Anyone?? (looking but see no hands).
@"StickyBun" said: Raise your hand if you don't think Cleveland had a talented roster when Stefanski took over? Anyone?? (looking but see no hands).They did, no doubt. Really good weapons. One of the best lines in the league. But they've had a playoff roster for a couple years now and no one before could make it work.
The biggest thing has been Mayfield's progression. Is it natural 3rd year growth that would've happened anyway? Or is some of it due to Stefanski?
@"MaroonBells" said:@"StickyBun" said: Raise your hand if you don't think Cleveland had a talented roster when Stefanski took over? Anyone?? (looking but see no hands). The biggest thing has been Mayfield's progression. Is it natural 3rd year growth that would've happened anyway? Or is some of it due to Stefanski?
@"MaroonBells" said:@"StickyBun" said: Raise your hand if you don't think Cleveland had a talented roster when Stefanski took over? Anyone?? (looking but see no hands). They did, no doubt. Really good weapons. One of the best lines in the league. But they've had a playoff roster for a couple years now and on one before could make it work.The biggest thing has been Mayfield's progression. Is it natural 3rd year growth that would've happened anyway? Or is some of it due to Stefanski?
This is where I'm at too. The offense is really good...defense is quite shaky which is weird considering some of the names they had. Baker was awful last year and that sucked because I'm a big Baker fan. He was fat and the offense with Freddie as HC just did not work. You toss in Stefanski and he knows the RB's that are in his stable and he knows Baker can most likely keep them in games.For those who talk about their record and who they've beaten, let's not turn Baker into Kirk where he's blamed for the loss vs the Ravens on Monday. Defense gave up 45 points...
@"MaroonBells" said:@"StickyBun" said: Raise your hand if you don't think Cleveland had a talented roster when Stefanski took over? Anyone?? (looking but see no hands). They did, no doubt. Really good weapons. One of the best lines in the league. But they've had a playoff roster for a couple years now and no one before could make it work.The biggest thing has been Mayfield's progression. Is it natural 3rd year growth that would've happened anyway? Or is some of it due to Stefanski?
I would also say there is a culture shift. There has been such a losing mindset for so long that once the shift happened, the attitude and performance changed. There is stability there now after a boatload of chaos. Good for them.
if Stefanski wins the Superbowl,it'd make sense, in a 2020 twisted Viking Fandom kinda way.
I can't lie. I was hoping that Stefanski would be around for another year at least, with Kubiak staying on as an advisor/consultant. Kudos to the Browns for getting him. But I'm not sure the results would be much different if he was HC here, almost like comparing apples to oranges.
@"PurpleCrush" said: I can't lie. I was hoping that Stefanski would be around for another year at least, with Kubiak staying on as an advisor/consultant. Kudos to the Browns for getting him. But I'm not sure the results would be much different if he was HC here, almost like comparing apples to oranges.Who knows. But Stefanski is offense minded so that is different. There have been several OC issues under Zimmer and that probably wouldn't be the case under Stefanski.
@"Vikergirl" said:How many OC's has he had so far, 5 or so? Stefanski and Shurmur both got HC jobs, and from everything I've read it appears that Zimmer was good with them, as he is with Kubiak. The other two were Turner & DeFilippo. By all accounts DeFilippo ignored the run game against Zimmer's wishes (I think this was Cousins first year with the Vikes) which led to him getting the boot. As for Turner, that's one I really don't know what happened behind the scenes.@"PurpleCrush" said: I can't lie. I was hoping that Stefanski would be around for another year at least, with Kubiak staying on as an advisor/consultant. Kudos to the Browns for getting him. But I'm not sure the results would be much different if he was HC here, almost like comparing apples to oranges. Who knows. But Stefanski is offense minded so that is different. There have been several OC issues under Zimmer and that probably wouldn't be the case under Stefanski.
@"PurpleCrush" said:Prolly should have elevated Stefanski instead of hiring Norv which may have progressed to him taking over and getting us some continuity before leaving for an HC job anyway@"Vikergirl" said:How many OC's has he had so far, 5 or so? Stefanski and Shurmur both got HC jobs, and from everything I've read it appears that Zimmer was good with them, as he is with Kubiak. The other two were Turner & DeFilippo. By all accounts DeFilippo ignored the run game against Zimmer's wishes (I think this was Cousins first year with the Vikes) which led to him getting the boot. As for Turner, that's one I really don't know what happened behind the scenes.@"PurpleCrush" said: I can't lie. I was hoping that Stefanski would be around for another year at least, with Kubiak staying on as an advisor/consultant. Kudos to the Browns for getting him. But I'm not sure the results would be much different if he was HC here, almost like comparing apples to oranges. Who knows. But Stefanski is offense minded so that is different. There have been several OC issues under Zimmer and that probably wouldn't be the case under Stefanski.
I still believe if they had not beaten the saints in the playoffs, Stefanski probably gets the head job. Lots of rumblings about wanting to keep him around.
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