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ESPN: Jefferson best rookie WRer since 1985?

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https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/30444724/ranking-rookie-wide-receiver-seasons-1985-justin-jefferson-no-1

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#1 · Dec 4, 12:46 PM
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I like the kid, but c'mon man. He isn't even the best rookie receiver this team has ever had.

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@"PurpleCrush" said: I like the kid, but c'mon man. He isn't even the best rookie receiver this team has ever had.
The hyperbole in the sports media, right? It's nuts. I can barely stomach the color commentators on NFL broadcasts as every player is amazing and generational, lol. Its like, just relax.....you don't have to hype it......
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@"StickyBun" said:
@"PurpleCrush" said: I like the kid, but c'mon man. He isn't even the best rookie receiver this team has ever had.
The hyperbole in the sports media, right? It's nuts. I can barely stomach the color commentators on NFL broadcasts as every player is amazing and generational, lol. Its like, just relax.....you don't have to hype it......
All click bait. Everything. And everyone's afraid of telling it like it is because they may offend someone.
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aaah,  I found the problem. --->   ESPN

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Yeah, I'm sorry but Odell had the best rookie WR season that I have ever seen. 1,300 yards and 12tds in 12 games is just silly.

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@"PurpleCrush" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"PurpleCrush" said: I like the kid, but c'mon man. He isn't even the best rookie receiver this team has ever had.
The hyperbole in the sports media, right? It's nuts. I can barely stomach the color commentators on NFL broadcasts as every player is amazing and generational, lol. Its like, just relax.....you don't have to hype it......
All click bait. Everything. And everyone's afraid of telling it like it is because they may offend someone.
So true.  Did you see Collingsworth had to apologize to women for a comment he made during the Steelers game?  I usually don't even pay attention but I read the quote and it was a huge nothing burger.  Talk about political correctness (just using the term not talking politics:)
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@"minny65" said:
@"PurpleCrush" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"PurpleCrush" said: I like the kid, but c'mon man. He isn't even the best rookie receiver this team has ever had.
The hyperbole in the sports media, right? It's nuts. I can barely stomach the color commentators on NFL broadcasts as every player is amazing and generational, lol. Its like, just relax.....you don't have to hype it......
All click bait. Everything. And everyone's afraid of telling it like it is because they may offend someone.
So true.  Did you see Collingsworth had to apologize to women for a comment he made during the Steelers game?  I usually don't even pay attention but I read the quote and it was a huge nothing burger.  Talk about political correctness (just using the term not talking politics:)
Yep, I did see that. Amazing. It's the Pussification of America (*Sorry if I offended anyone)
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@"StickyBun" said:
@"PurpleCrush" said: I like the kid, but c'mon man. He isn't even the best rookie receiver this team has ever had.
The hyperbole in the sports media, right? It's nuts. I can barely stomach the color commentators on NFL broadcasts as every player is amazing and generational, lol. Its like, just relax.....you don't have to hype it......
There is also a desire to tell people, "NOW is the time when the greatest players are alive! Yes, YOU live in the time of Achilles!!"
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@"Hawkvike25" said: Yeah, I'm sorry but Odell had the best rookie WR season that I have ever seen. 1,300 yards and 12tds in 12 games is just silly.

Did you miss Randy Moss?  Moss had 7 more yards at 1313.  Had 4.7 more yards per reception and 5 more touchdowns. 

The only reason Beckham is even close is he 22 more receptions. 

Moss changed the NFL from a run first game into a pass often and further that we see today.  Had Moss had half the heart Jerry Rice had he would have broke ever NFL receiving record there was to break. 

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@"AGRforever" said:
@"Hawkvike25" said: Yeah, I'm sorry but Odell had the best rookie WR season that I have ever seen. 1,300 yards and 12tds in 12 games is just silly.

Did you miss Randy Moss?  Moss had 7 more yards at 1313.  Had 4.7 more yards per reception and 5 more touchdowns. 

The only reason Beckham is even close is he 22 more receptions. 

Moss changed the NFL from a run first game into a pass often and further that we see today.  Had Moss had half the heart Jerry Rice had he would have broke ever NFL receiving record there was to break. 



Yep Moss could have been the best ever no doubt.  He was too chill smoking the ganja.

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@"AGRforever" said:
@"Hawkvike25" said: Yeah, I'm sorry but Odell had the best rookie WR season that I have ever seen. 1,300 yards and 12tds in 12 games is just silly.

Did you miss Randy Moss?  Moss had 7 more yards at 1313.  Had 4.7 more yards per reception and 5 more touchdowns. 

The only reason Beckham is even close is he 22 more receptions. 

Moss changed the NFL from a run first game into a pass often and further that we see today.  Had Moss had half the heart Jerry Rice had he would have broke ever NFL receiving record there was to break. 



Yes, Moss had 8 more yards in 4 extra games played. Taking averages into account and Odell would have had 1600 yards and 16 TDs, not to mention he owns the record of most 100 yard games in a rookie season. As a Vikings fan that Moss rookie year was great because the team also was great, but Odell was filthy...especially as he had the greatest catch that I have ever seen (Dallas game).

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@"JimmyinSD" said: aaah,  I found the problem. --->   ESPN
Except this wasn't ESPN, it was just picked up by them and placed behind their paywall. Greedy bastards. It was written by Aaron Schatz, the guy who started Football Outsiders, inventor of DVOA, almost a genius, and, as it happens, a friend of a friend. 

Sounds pretty crazy to me to think of JJ as the best rookie WR since 1985, but if Aaron is throwing it out there, you can believe there is good data behind it. 

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We’ll see what the rest of the season holds for JJ. He may not be the absolute best since 1985 (I was a sophomore in high school that year...yikes) but when the season is finished he should be right up there among the best....which, if you’re a Vikings fan, is pretty damn exciting.

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