Could Trey Lance be there when Minnesota picks?

Lances 1 showing this year.  Every Run and Pass of his.  Certainly some things to like,  and a lot of things for concern.  reminds me of Newton coming out,  big arm,  strong runner,  hard to take down,  but there were just parts of his game that didnt look right.  

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"BarrNone55" said: @MaroonBells I'm with you on Fields. How hard is it to be a QB in Columbus with the plethora of talent around you? But...

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/justin-fields-different-ohio-state-qbs

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Fields will be a bust. Just saying that, right now, it's all lollipops and sunshine with these guys. But it's not even December. Once the microscopes come out, a lot will change. 

I just remember dozens of early mocks where QBs were slated to go early in the first and ended up in the middle rounds. Matt Barkley, Jimmy Clausen, Landry Jones, Ryan Mallett, Zach Mettenberger, Christian Hackenberg...

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"BarrNone55" said: Am I the only one who has seen Wentz play recently? He makes some of the most boneheaded throws I can recall. He's a human turnover.

Goff has had his share, too. It seems like most of these guys come out with loads of talent and upside, play fairly well their first season or two, and then fall back down to earth. Goff, Wentz, Winston, Mariota. Mayfield, Darnold, Trubisky.

God, do we even want to get on that train?  

0 chance if we don't try (shrug)

@"JimmyinSD" said: Lances 1 showing this year.  Every Run and Pass of his.  Certainly some things to like,  and a lot of things for concern.  reminds me of Newton coming out,  big arm,  strong runner,  hard to take down,  but there were just parts of his game that didnt look right.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eky0Yy8_eOI

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Lances 1 showing this year.  Every Run and Pass of his.  Certainly some things to like,  and a lot of things for concern.  reminds me of Newton coming out,  big arm,  strong runner,  hard to take down,  but there were just parts of his game that didnt look right.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eky0Yy8_eOI

Thanks for sharing that. Certainly some errant throws but I saw a lot of pressure on Lance and some good coverage on the receivers. He does really well running and navigating open lanes

@"HappyViking" said:

@"BarrNone55" said: Am I the only one who has seen Wentz play recently? He makes some of the most boneheaded throws I can recall. He's a human turnover.

That pick six last weekend was brutal to watch.  Can you imagine what Philly fans were saying after seening that? :p

when you are watching these videos,  keep your eye on #1 Christian Watson,  kid seems to have wheels and is a willing down field blocker for his teammates,  you see him flying in from no where on a lot of the long plays to seal off pursuit and allow the ball carrier (often Lance) to get those final 10 yards unmolested.  Might be a later round steal?  I also noticed him running hard after the catch himself.

@"PurpleCrush" said: The more I think about it, the more I'd be worried about drafting him. I see some guys like Lamar Jackson, Wentz, and others over the years come in (meaning guys who had certain questions about their passing ability), dominate with their athleticism, and then when defenses figure them out the player doesn't raise his game up to the next level or is very inconsistent.   That'd be my biggest concern with drafting Lance, especially having played only 1 game in what will essentially be two years until he goes to the NFL.

You hope you find the athlectic qb that becomes Mahomes or Russel Wilson... heck, I'd probably settle for a Dak Prescott at this point.

@"BEO" said:

@"PurpleCrush" said: The more I think about it, the more I'd be worried about drafting him. I see some guys like Lamar Jackson, Wentz, and others over the years come in (meaning guys who had certain questions about their passing ability), dominate with their athleticism, and then when defenses figure them out the player doesn't raise his game up to the next level or is very inconsistent.   That'd be my biggest concern with drafting Lance, especially having played only 1 game in what will essentially be two years until he goes to the NFL.

I hear you... but I think at some point drafting where Vikes typically draft you are going to have to take a gamble.

You hope you find the athlectic qb that becomes Mahomes or Russel Wilson... heck, I'd probably settle for a Dak Prescott at this point.

@"minny65" said: Michael Penix Jr. playing for Indiana is a future star.  But he is only a Sophomore and will be a top pick next year

This is the way to think - QBs who might be available in 2022 or later. Because Spielman is NOT going to admit he was mistaken in extending Cousins, and that's exactly what picking a QB less than a year later would be. If they had ended up with the chance to draft in the top 5 and get a generational talent like Lawrence or Fields, maybe they could make the case, but if they chase the 4th or 5th best QB next spring, that essentially says, "We're desperate to replace Cousins."
Our own cap issues may be less than the Eagles but still will keep us from signing any significant FAs, so the #1 pick is the only chance to add any immediate help. Our GM and coach will argue they are getting Pierce and Hunter and Barr back and are "one player away" from contending, maybe they believe one more OL will make Cousins look like a star QB.

@"Jor-El" said:

@"minny65" said: Michael Penix Jr. playing for Indiana is a future star.  But he is only a Sophomore and will be a top pick next year

This is the way to think - QBs who might be available in 2022 or later. Because Spielman is NOT going to admit he was mistaken in extending Cousins, and that's exactly what picking a QB less than a year later would be. If they had ended up with the chance to draft in the top 5 and get a generational talent like Lawrence or Fields, maybe they could make the case, but if they chase the 4th or 5th best QB next spring, that essentially says, "We're desperate to replace Cousins."
Our own cap issues may be less than the Eagles but still will keep us from signing any significant FAs, so the #1 pick is the only chance to add any immediate help. Our GM and coach will argue they are getting Pierce and Hunter and Barr back and are "one player away" from contending, maybe they believe one more OL will make Cousins look like a star QB.

I would love a chance at Zack Wilson but I think he is going high and will be the 3rd QB taken.  The ball just explodes off his arm with good accuracy.  

Here is his game tape vs #23 Boise State:

@"minny65" said: Lance reminds me of Jordan Love with the small school, arm and running skills.  Not a lot of tape on Lance because they only play one game this season.  That scares me.  His only game he had a 50% completion.  He threw the ball 30 times and also ran 15 in that game.  He runs too much.  He does first read and run. 

The 2019 season he was lights out with 25 TD's and 0 Int's the whole season including Bowl. 
In the final game Bowl game they won he ran the ball 30 times and threw it 10 times, is that because he wasn't reading the Defense? 
 His arm looks to be a little better then Jordan Love IMO.

I haven't watched a lot of Lance since he played at NDSU, but what I have seen, I like.  He's not a one read and run QB.  There are enough instances where you can see him manuevering in the pocket to evade pressure and going through his progressions.  I actually love his pocket awareness, he keeps his eyes up looking to throw instead of just coming off his first read at the first sign of pressure and running.  Usually you see him take off immediately if there is open space up the middle, so I get why some think he is a one read and run guy.

The one thing I don't like is the small body of work.  One full season and a game this year.  I think the draft gurus in the media are over-projecting him (and other QBs) because they see Carson Wentz was an early first round pick.

He looks like a Day 2 guy to me, but I like his upside as a potential starter.  Said the same thing about Dak, Russell Wilson, and Hurts in the past.

@"Wetlander" said:

@"minny65" said: Lance reminds me of Jordan Love with the small school, arm and running skills.  Not a lot of tape on Lance because they only play one game this season.  That scares me.  His only game he had a 50% completion.  He threw the ball 30 times and also ran 15 in that game.  He runs too much.  He does first read and run. 

The 2019 season he was lights out with 25 TD's and 0 Int's the whole season including Bowl. 
In the final game Bowl game they won he ran the ball 30 times and threw it 10 times, is that because he wasn't reading the Defense? 
 His arm looks to be a little better then Jordan Love IMO.

That's interesting...  Lance actually reminds me of Dak Prescott.  Quick, accurate releases.  Strong arms to flick the ball around the field.  Tough runners, especially in the red zone.

I haven't watched a lot of Lance since he played at NDSU, but what I have seen, I like.  He's not a one read and run QB.  There are enough instances where you can see him manuevering in the pocket to evade pressure and going through his progressions.  I actually love his pocket awareness, he keeps his eyes up looking to throw instead of just coming off his first read at the first sign of pressure and running.  Usually you see him take off immediately if there is open space up the middle, so I get why some think he is a one read and run guy.

The one thing I don't like is the small body of work.  One full season and a game this year.  I think the draft gurus in the media are over-projecting him (and other QBs) because they see Carson Wentz was an early first round pick.

He looks like a Day 2 guy to me, but I like his upside as a potential starter.  Said the same thing about Dak, Russell Wilson, and Hurts in the past.

@"BEO" said:

@"PurpleCrush" said: The more I think about it, the more I'd be worried about drafting him. I see some guys like Lamar Jackson, Wentz, and others over the years come in (meaning guys who had certain questions about their passing ability), dominate with their athleticism, and then when defenses figure them out the player doesn't raise his game up to the next level or is very inconsistent.   That'd be my biggest concern with drafting Lance, especially having played only 1 game in what will essentially be two years until he goes to the NFL.

I hear you... but I think at some point drafting where Vikes typically draft you are going to have to take a gamble.

You hope you find the athlectic qb that becomes Mahomes or Russel Wilson... heck, I'd probably settle for a Dak Prescott at this point.