Is it Cousins........or his straight cash homey?

NO

I would agree, he gets more than his share of hatred form "fans" but he is certainly reliable and is better than what the alternatives were.  I would love if he could do something with his contract to a team friendly one but I don't see him giving anything back.  With our 4th win and probably a few more this year we are not drafting a QB that would displace him anytime soon so ask yourself if not Kirk, than who should be the QB?

The issue is the team has NOTHING in the pipeline QB-wise. And this upcoming Draft won't help as Minnesota will probably be picking mid-round in the first and have no 2nd. I don't understand how the team is going to allow Cousins to get paid what he's supposed to get paid on the last year of his contract, it's monstrous.

If he doesn't restructure we have to move on period,  if he does restructure with much less guaranteed and a lot of incentives then I would consider it,  but it's way past time for a real QB competition,  they need to be drafting QBs until they find their unicorn.

It is kind of nice having stability at QB.  Something we haven't had in decades.  That said, Cousins isn't going to win a Superbowl so we probably need to go back to the draft and find one that can. 

Need a young mobile QB who can learn with Kubiak, an improving OL and a major set of weapons.   We will probably play ourselves of out of the kid at BYU or Lance, but it would be nice to dream for a minute of having either with Jet, Irv, Adam, Rudy, another rookie WR and 2 dreaded monster at RB

@"StickyBun" said: The issue is the team has NOTHING in the pipeline QB-wise. And this upcoming Draft won't help as Minnesota will probably be picking mid-round in the first and have no 2nd. I don't understand how the team is going to allow Cousins to get paid what he's supposed to get paid on the last year of his contract, it's monstrous.

Most glaring issue of Spielman's career.  He has never had a viable young talent in the pipeline.  I don't fault him terribly for the Ponder pick, he had talent, couldn't get out of his own head.  Liked the Teddy pick, we know how that ended.  Thought the Cousins signing was the best option at the time. 

BUT he never had meaningful talent, day 2 picks, in the QB room. 

The OP  is a good question because restructuring is the only way the Vikings can "move on" before 2023.

@"JimmyinSD" said:
 if he does restructure with much less guaranteed and a lot of incentives then I would consider it,  but it's way past time for a real QB competition,  they need to be drafting QBs until they find their unicorn.

@"Jor-El" said:

The OP  is a good question because restructuring is the only way the Vikings can "move on" before 2023.

@"JimmyinSD" said:  if he does restructure with much less guaranteed and a lot of incentives then I would consider it,  but it's way past time for a real QB competition,  they need to be drafting QBs until they find their unicorn.

Jimmy, why would Cousins accept a deal with less guaranteed money? He can stay here the next 2 seasons, earn $56M whether he starts or even suits up, and then go sign another deal with some other team. Why would he, instead, take a deal where he is guaranteed only something like $30M for 3 years? The guaranteed money gives the Vikings no out. They could threaten to cut him before the next league year starts, but he would still get $41M, and we are beyond getting a good rookie QB in the next draft now, AND admitting Cousins' extension was a mistake requiring us to eat $41M for nothing is a major embarrassment.

But maybe they could ask Kirk to turn his $56M guaranteed for 2 years into $56M guaranteed for 4 or 5 years - with some incentives that could earn him extra. So he could get an average of $14M/year, but have incentives for starting games, yardage, winning playoff games. If Cousins thinks he can be a starting and winning QB here, he could make $25M a year each of the next 4.

And if he's wrong, then we draft a rookie QB in 2022 (IMO you guys are dreaming if you think Spielman will touch a QB before round 5 next spring, he is still all in on Cousins for one more year), and Cousins as a bridge and backup for $14M per season is tolerable while you have your new QB on his rookie contract.

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said: The issue is the team has NOTHING in the pipeline QB-wise. And this upcoming Draft won't help as Minnesota will probably be picking mid-round in the first and have no 2nd. I don't understand how the team is going to allow Cousins to get paid what he's supposed to get paid on the last year of his contract, it's monstrous.

Most glaring issue of Spielman's career.  He has never had a viable young talent in the pipeline.  I don't fault him terribly for the Ponder pick, he had talent, couldn't get out of his own head.  Liked the Teddy pick, we know how that ended.  Thought the Cousins signing was the best option at the time. 

BUT he never had meaningful talent, day 2 picks, in the QB room. 

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said: The issue is the team has NOTHING in the pipeline QB-wise. And this upcoming Draft won't help as Minnesota will probably be picking mid-round in the first and have no 2nd. I don't understand how the team is going to allow Cousins to get paid what he's supposed to get paid on the last year of his contract, it's monstrous.

Most glaring issue of Spielman's career.  He has never had a viable young talent in the pipeline.  I don't fault him terribly for the Ponder pick, he had talent, couldn't get out of his own head.  Liked the Teddy pick, we know how that ended.  Thought the Cousins signing was the best option at the time. 

BUT he never had meaningful talent, day 2 picks, in the QB room. 

Oh I will forever fault the idiots who thought Christian Ponder was a top 15 pick. He was a second or third round pick basically on everyone's mock draft, but yeah, let's draft a guy who had to have his elbow drained multiple times in college. That's one of my least favorite Vikings picks of all time, at the moment and after his career was over. Brutal

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said: The issue is the team has NOTHING in the pipeline QB-wise. And this upcoming Draft won't help as Minnesota will probably be picking mid-round in the first and have no 2nd. I don't understand how the team is going to allow Cousins to get paid what he's supposed to get paid on the last year of his contract, it's monstrous.

Most glaring issue of Spielman's career.  He has never had a viable young talent in the pipeline.  I don't fault him terribly for the Ponder pick, he had talent, couldn't get out of his own head.  Liked the Teddy pick, we know how that ended.  Thought the Cousins signing was the best option at the time. 

BUT he never had meaningful talent, day 2 picks, in the QB room. 

Oh I will forever fault the idiots who thought Christian Ponder was a top 15 pick. He was a second or third round pick basically on everyone's mock draft, but yeah, let's draft a guy who had to have his elbow drained multiple times in college. That's one of my least favorite Vikings picks of all time, at the moment and after his career was over. Brutal

uhm... have you ever heard of Demetrius Underwood?

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said: The issue is the team has NOTHING in the pipeline QB-wise. And this upcoming Draft won't help as Minnesota will probably be picking mid-round in the first and have no 2nd. I don't understand how the team is going to allow Cousins to get paid what he's supposed to get paid on the last year of his contract, it's monstrous.

Most glaring issue of Spielman's career.  He has never had a viable young talent in the pipeline.  I don't fault him terribly for the Ponder pick, he had talent, couldn't get out of his own head.  Liked the Teddy pick, we know how that ended.  Thought the Cousins signing was the best option at the time. 

BUT he never had meaningful talent, day 2 picks, in the QB room. 

Oh I will forever fault the idiots who thought Christian Ponder was a top 15 pick. He was a second or third round pick basically on everyone's mock draft, but yeah, let's draft a guy who had to have his elbow drained multiple times in college. That's one of my least favorite Vikings picks of all time, at the moment and after his career was over. Brutal

uhm... have you ever heard of Demetrius Underwood?

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said: The issue is the team has NOTHING in the pipeline QB-wise. And this upcoming Draft won't help as Minnesota will probably be picking mid-round in the first and have no 2nd. I don't understand how the team is going to allow Cousins to get paid what he's supposed to get paid on the last year of his contract, it's monstrous.

Most glaring issue of Spielman's career.  He has never had a viable young talent in the pipeline.  I don't fault him terribly for the Ponder pick, he had talent, couldn't get out of his own head.  Liked the Teddy pick, we know how that ended.  Thought the Cousins signing was the best option at the time. 

BUT he never had meaningful talent, day 2 picks, in the QB room. 

Oh I will forever fault the idiots who thought Christian Ponder was a top 15 pick. He was a second or third round pick basically on everyone's mock draft, but yeah, let's draft a guy who had to have his elbow drained multiple times in college. That's one of my least favorite Vikings picks of all time, at the moment and after his career was over. Brutal

uhm... have you ever heard of Demetrius Underwood?

Absolutely, but I was a kid when he was drafted therefore it doesnt resonate as much as Ponder. Williamson was another one but that WR class was brutal to begin with. The 2011 QB class wasnt very deep either but if my memory serves me correct, there were a lot of really good players in that draft taken in the 2nd and 3rd round. Ponder was such a reach and I knew it instantly.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said: The issue is the team has NOTHING in the pipeline QB-wise. And this upcoming Draft won't help as Minnesota will probably be picking mid-round in the first and have no 2nd. I don't understand how the team is going to allow Cousins to get paid what he's supposed to get paid on the last year of his contract, it's monstrous.

Most glaring issue of Spielman's career.  He has never had a viable young talent in the pipeline.  I don't fault him terribly for the Ponder pick, he had talent, couldn't get out of his own head.  Liked the Teddy pick, we know how that ended.  Thought the Cousins signing was the best option at the time. 

BUT he never had meaningful talent, day 2 picks, in the QB room. 

Oh I will forever fault the idiots who thought Christian Ponder was a top 15 pick. He was a second or third round pick basically on everyone's mock draft, but yeah, let's draft a guy who had to have his elbow drained multiple times in college. That's one of my least favorite Vikings picks of all time, at the moment and after his career was over. Brutal

uhm... have you ever heard of Demetrius Underwood?

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said: The issue is the team has NOTHING in the pipeline QB-wise. And this upcoming Draft won't help as Minnesota will probably be picking mid-round in the first and have no 2nd. I don't understand how the team is going to allow Cousins to get paid what he's supposed to get paid on the last year of his contract, it's monstrous.

Most glaring issue of Spielman's career.  He has never had a viable young talent in the pipeline.  I don't fault him terribly for the Ponder pick, he had talent, couldn't get out of his own head.  Liked the Teddy pick, we know how that ended.  Thought the Cousins signing was the best option at the time. 

BUT he never had meaningful talent, day 2 picks, in the QB room. 

Oh I will forever fault the idiots who thought Christian Ponder was a top 15 pick. He was a second or third round pick basically on everyone's mock draft, but yeah, let's draft a guy who had to have his elbow drained multiple times in college. That's one of my least favorite Vikings picks of all time, at the moment and after his career was over. Brutal

uhm... have you ever heard of Demetrius Underwood?

Absolutely, but I was a kid when he was drafted therefore it doesnt resonate as much as Ponder. Williamson was another one but that WR class was brutal to begin with. The 2011 QB class wasnt very deep either but if my memory serves me correct, there were a lot of really good players in that draft taken in the 2nd and 3rd round. Ponder was such a reach and I knew it instantly.

@"greediron" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said: The issue is the team has NOTHING in the pipeline QB-wise. And this upcoming Draft won't help as Minnesota will probably be picking mid-round in the first and have no 2nd. I don't understand how the team is going to allow Cousins to get paid what he's supposed to get paid on the last year of his contract, it's monstrous.

Most glaring issue of Spielman's career.  He has never had a viable young talent in the pipeline.  I don't fault him terribly for the Ponder pick, he had talent, couldn't get out of his own head.  Liked the Teddy pick, we know how that ended.  Thought the Cousins signing was the best option at the time. 

BUT he never had meaningful talent, day 2 picks, in the QB room. 

Oh I will forever fault the idiots who thought Christian Ponder was a top 15 pick. He was a second or third round pick basically on everyone's mock draft, but yeah, let's draft a guy who had to have his elbow drained multiple times in college. That's one of my least favorite Vikings picks of all time, at the moment and after his career was over. Brutal

uhm... have you ever heard of Demetrius Underwood?

Absolutely, but I was a kid when he was drafted therefore it doesnt resonate as much as Ponder. Williamson was another one but that WR class was brutal to begin with. The 2011 QB class wasnt very deep either but if my memory serves me correct, there were a lot of really good players in that draft taken in the 2nd and 3rd round. Ponder was such a reach and I knew it instantly.

I have to say, that is easy to say in hindsight.  Yeah you got that one right, but how many others were you certain on that are now studs?  Just saying, nobody keeps track of their misses.

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said: The issue is the team has NOTHING in the pipeline QB-wise. And this upcoming Draft won't help as Minnesota will probably be picking mid-round in the first and have no 2nd. I don't understand how the team is going to allow Cousins to get paid what he's supposed to get paid on the last year of his contract, it's monstrous.

Most glaring issue of Spielman's career.  He has never had a viable young talent in the pipeline.  I don't fault him terribly for the Ponder pick, he had talent, couldn't get out of his own head.  Liked the Teddy pick, we know how that ended.  Thought the Cousins signing was the best option at the time. 

BUT he never had meaningful talent, day 2 picks, in the QB room. 

Oh I will forever fault the idiots who thought Christian Ponder was a top 15 pick. He was a second or third round pick basically on everyone's mock draft, but yeah, let's draft a guy who had to have his elbow drained multiple times in college. That's one of my least favorite Vikings picks of all time, at the moment and after his career was over. Brutal

uhm... have you ever heard of Demetrius Underwood?

Absolutely, but I was a kid when he was drafted therefore it doesnt resonate as much as Ponder. Williamson was another one but that WR class was brutal to begin with. The 2011 QB class wasnt very deep either but if my memory serves me correct, there were a lot of really good players in that draft taken in the 2nd and 3rd round. Ponder was such a reach and I knew it instantly.

I have to say, that is easy to say in hindsight.  Yeah you got that one right, but how many others were you certain on that are now studs?  Just saying, nobody keeps track of their misses.

I'm not afraid to announce my misses: Thought Laquon would be a stud, considering he tore up the SEC, missed that one. Thought Kalil would be good, and he was, for one year haha. Thought Hughes was going to be good too, may have if healthy, but wrong here.

Ponder was just such an easy bust prediction. No arm strength left, super injury prone in college. Pick was awful at the time and it had me yelling at my tv

I have to give Cousins props for getting Mack out of bounds after the interception. It's hard to argue to keep him. He is good but probably not good enough and he is not the future of the franchise. They have to get a young qb. The salary sucks because it is a cap killer. It has been such a roller coaster with him. He is not the worst but not the best. It was nice to see him somewhat animated towards the end. He actually won on Monday night so there is that. We'll see what happens.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"StickyBun" said: The issue is the team has NOTHING in the pipeline QB-wise. And this upcoming Draft won't help as Minnesota will probably be picking mid-round in the first and have no 2nd. I don't understand how the team is going to allow Cousins to get paid what he's supposed to get paid on the last year of his contract, it's monstrous.

Most glaring issue of Spielman's career.  He has never had a viable young talent in the pipeline.  I don't fault him terribly for the Ponder pick, he had talent, couldn't get out of his own head.  Liked the Teddy pick, we know how that ended.  Thought the Cousins signing was the best option at the time. 

BUT he never had meaningful talent, day 2 picks, in the QB room. 

Oh I will forever fault the idiots who thought Christian Ponder was a top 15 pick. He was a second or third round pick basically on everyone's mock draft, but yeah, let's draft a guy who had to have his elbow drained multiple times in college. That's one of my least favorite Vikings picks of all time, at the moment and after his career was over. Brutal

uhm... have you ever heard of Demetrius Underwood?

Absolutely, but I was a kid when he was drafted therefore it doesnt resonate as much as Ponder. Williamson was another one but that WR class was brutal to begin with. The 2011 QB class wasnt very deep either but if my memory serves me correct, there were a lot of really good players in that draft taken in the 2nd and 3rd round. Ponder was such a reach and I knew it instantly.

You know who loved the Ponder pick? MB.