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You're only given a little spark of madness. You mustn't lose it. — Robin Williams
yeah that should pretty much put a nail in the Tank for Trevor coffin. What to root for now? playoff run? We could conceivably win the next 4 -5 if we play like we did today. Need to get healthy at CB in a hurry
Sigh. Not sure what to think anymore. My brain tells me tank, my heart is cheering my ass off to win.
I just want to be in striking distance of one of the top 3 QB's when all the dust settles.
@"purplefaithful" said: I just want to be in striking distance of one of the top 3 QB's when all the dust settles.I am not sure that we will be. We need to think about Trask, Wilson, Mond and other possibilities. We need a qb and a guard.
if not we take two of the second tier QBs and maybe trade for donalsson
I wonder if Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields could go to the Jets and Giants? Those 2 have been linked since high school, would be interesting to see them in the same city for a decade.
When I want my team to win, they lose. When I want them to lose for Trevor, they win.I just can't win for losing.
Of course if they are going to win, the Packers are the game to do it.
@"purplefaithful" said: I just want to be in striking distance of one of the top 3 QB's when all the dust settles.That distance might have to be made up with a trade.
I've said this before, but I just don't know that tanking is possible on a team like this. You look at teams like the Jags and the Jets and the Washington team. The cupboard is bare. There's nothing there.
As bad as we might think they are, the Vikings are still a team with Dalvin Cook and Justin Jefferson and Eric Kendricks...
@"Vikergirl" said:For some reason I just dont like any QBs after the top 3. I've watched a lot of Kellen Mond and cannot figure him out...his passing inconsistencies remind me a lot of Kaepernick@"purplefaithful" said: I just want to be in striking distance of one of the top 3 QB's when all the dust settles. I am not sure that we will be. We need to think about Trask, Wilson, Mond and other possibilities. We need a qb and a guard.
@"rf54" said: yeah that should pretty much put a nail in the Tank for Trevor coffin. What to root for now? playoff run? We could conceivably win the next 4 -5 if we play like we did today. Need to get healthy at CB in a hurry
I'm on the Justin Fields bandwagon now baby!!
@"MaroonBells" said:@"purplefaithful" said: I just want to be in striking distance of one of the top 3 QB's when all the dust settles. That distance might have to be made up with a trade.I've said this before, but I just don't know that tanking is possible on a team like this. You look at teams like the Jags and the Jets and the Washington team. The cupboard is bare. There's nothing there.
As bad as we might think they are, the Vikings are still a team with Dalvin Cook and Justin Jefferson and Eric Kendricks...
That's exactly what I mean by "striking distance"Unless they get an Aaron Donald type player, getting a stud in the trenches wont set this team up for wins tomorrow like a franchise ceiling QB will.
@"AGRforever" said:@"rf54" said: yeah that should pretty much put a nail in the Tank for Trevor coffin. What to root for now? playoff run? We could conceivably win the next 4 -5 if we play like we did today. Need to get healthy at CB in a hurryI'm on the Justin Fields bandwagon now baby!!
probably out of that race now too
When the top guys are out of reach... Rick Spielman makes a reach lol. Who will be our Christian Ponder part deux?
@"comet52" said: When the top guys are out of reach... Rick Spielman makes a reach lol. Who will be our Christian Ponder part deux?How dare you bring up a reach like that (half kidding). In all seriousness, I could see it being Wilson from BYU
I still don't believe Spielman will pick a QB, even a reach. He picked one this March when he gave Cousins that extension.
If we get 6+ wins, maybe even 5+, and keep Spielman and Zimmer here, we will be drafting to win next year, not build for the future.
If a quarterback is not drafted, then they should be fired.
Interior line on both sides. Kirk is going to be the qb for 2 more years.
@"Bullazin" said: Interior line on both sides. Kirk is going to be the qb for 2 more years.currently 8 million over on cap for next year, lots of free agents of our own to look at, plus sign our rookies. I dont see how the team will have anything left to make it worth keeping a mediocre QB once they get under the cap. the rebuild has to start this offseason and that starts by shedding all back contracts starting with Cousins and Barr.
@"JimmyinSD" said:I am definately ready to move on from Kirk, i just dont see it unless they do blow it up. We are going to need a 3T and a LG if we dont. Im not much of a cap guy, but I could see a Fitz or Mariota fitting in as a stop gap. Kirk can be a good enough QB in this system if we can get Hunter and Pierce back.@"Bullazin" said: Interior line on both sides. Kirk is going to be the qb for 2 more years. currently 8 million over on cap for next year, lots of free agents of our own to look at, plus sign our rookies. I dont see how the team will have anything left to make it worth keeping a mediocre QB once they get under the cap. the rebuild has to start this offseason and that starts by shedding all back contracts starting with Cousins and Barr.Do we have the money to extend Reiff under any scenario? I think that would be key
@"Bullazin" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:I am definately ready to move on from Kirk, i just dont see it unless they do blow it up. We are going to need a 3T and a LG if we dont. Im not much of a cap guy, but I could see a Fitz or Mariota fitting in as a stop gap. Kirk can be a good enough QB in this system if we can get Hunter and Pierce back.@"Bullazin" said: Interior line on both sides. Kirk is going to be the qb for 2 more years. currently 8 million over on cap for next year, lots of free agents of our own to look at, plus sign our rookies. I dont see how the team will have anything left to make it worth keeping a mediocre QB once they get under the cap. the rebuild has to start this offseason and that starts by shedding all back contracts starting with Cousins and Barr.Do we have the money to extend Reiff under any scenario? I think that would be key
we have no money, as it stands right now the Vikings have to cut 8 million in salary just to get back to even for next year, then they have to cut another 5 million (guessing here) to fit their rookies under the proposed cap, plus they will have to cut some more if they hope to add any free agents (our own or from other teams)best plan I can see is to cut Barr and Cousins with a june 1st designation (the june 1st keeps their 2022 dead cap money from coming due in 2021, that will free up 21 million right there for next year and 35 million for 2022, we will eat 10 million in dead cap both years from his prorated signing bonus though .... so that sucks. Barr is a bit more involved since his comes with 3 additional years so next year cutting him would open up about 13 million with a 2.6 cap hit for 2021 an additional 13 million for 2022, but his cap hit will go up to 5.2 million for 2022 since his signing bonus from 2022 and 2023 would be due then, still we are looking at freeing up about 56 million ( 36M net after dead cap) from Cousins and an additional 26 million ( 18m net after cap) in cap space from Barr over the next 2 years.
They have to go even if it means we struggle again next year. No way we want to be locked into that money for Cousins if we dont move on from him after this year. or Barr, but at least Barrs doesnt have a guarantee trigger after this season.
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