Reboot this shit show

@"pattersaur" said:

Best case scenario for MIN is a team like the Bengals or Texans gets a top 3 pick and is willing to move it. The price will be astronomical because they’ll be passing on Sewell, but that’s our only shot at a top QB I think. I personally would be fine with just about any price paid if it means we get a cost controlled QB with a big arm and quick feet for the next few seasons. 

@"Jor-El" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

Best case scenario for MIN is a team like the Bengals or Texans gets a top 3 pick and is willing to move it. The price will be astronomical because they’ll be passing on Sewell, but that’s our only shot at a top QB I think. I personally would be fine with just about any price paid if it means we get a cost controlled QB with a big arm and quick feet for the next few seasons. 

Thing is, we have a team with serious gaps in the middle of the OL and DL, and the OL problems are going to hurt the success of any QB, even a mobile QB. If we "earn" the 2nd overall pick and can get Lance or Fields and keep the rest of our draft picks, we might be able to rebuild the team around that QB. But if we land with the 8th or 9th pick, we will be in a bidding war with several teams interested in a QB, trying to move 6-7 slots, and I think we would end up trading most of our 2021 and 2022 picks to do it. Then that great young QB is in a situation where he's playing on a team with big gaps around him and no hope for help  until 2023.

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I watched the Redzone Channel yesterday and here's the problem: there are some truly HORRIBLE teams in the NFL, maybe 5 that are worse than Minnesota. Its early, but many draft projections have all 3 QBs gone by the #5 pick. Just say the Vikings pick #7: they'll miss the QBs and the best OL in the last probably 5-7 years. The drop-off for the QBs after the top 3 is tremendous. The freaking Jets, who just got Sam Darnold a few years ago, are going to pick a QB. 

I'm getting this feeling that the team is stepping into possibly a big window of bad teams and/or at best, mediocrity. 

I was talking to a buddy about Darnold this weekend. Say we do miss out on Lawrence, Fields, and Lance. Should we try to get Darnold? He's a good quarterback who was zero help on offense...and Gase is an awful coach. Acquiring him and then addressing the OL with the first round pick would be nice. I'm still in favor of trading one of our veterans and a later pick to achieve the currently vacant 2nd round pick to snag another DT.

This is what 0-3 looks like!  :s 

@"AGRforever" said:

@"Zanary" said: MB is right.  We barely lost to a playoff team that's undefeated this year.  Our known problems are still there, but the Vikings looked far more like a football team and less like a collection of depressed, confused millionaires than they did in the first two games.

I want the collection of millionaires to tank for Trevor!!!!  Unfortunately yesterday made me think they're just good enough to get out of any QB drafting position.

@"Zanary" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"Zanary" said: MB is right.  We barely lost to a playoff team that's undefeated this year.  Our known problems are still there, but the Vikings looked far more like a football team and less like a collection of depressed, confused millionaires than they did in the first two games.

I want the collection of millionaires to tank for Trevor!!!!  Unfortunately yesterday made me think they're just good enough to get out of any QB drafting position.

To me, anyone wanting the team to tank can never claim to be a real fan...so....

@"Zanary" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"Zanary" said: MB is right.  We barely lost to a playoff team that's undefeated this year.  Our known problems are still there, but the Vikings looked far more like a football team and less like a collection of depressed, confused millionaires than they did in the first two games.

I want the collection of millionaires to tank for Trevor!!!!  Unfortunately yesterday made me think they're just good enough to get out of any QB drafting position.

To me, anyone wanting the team to tank can never claim to be a real fan...so....

When people start talking about tanking an entire season after three games for a high draft pick or a positional player...IMO that's just saying "I Quit" when things get rough or things don't go your way.  The Vikings need to play every game with the mentality of winning.  If they lose all of the games, so be it.  If they win a few, then worry about the draft when the time comes.

Whats more beneficial for Vikings team of 2021 and 2022?

Finishing with 5 wins this year or 2?

If a fan wants to keep rooting, by all means have at it. After 5 decades of watching Vikings football? I know a bad team when I see it. This is 2013 bad. 

@"ArizonaViking" said: When people start talking about tanking an entire season after three games for a high draft pick or a positional player...IMO that's just saying "I Quit" when things get rough or things don't go your way.  The Vikings need to play every game with the mentality of winning.  If they lose all of the games, so be it.  If they win a few, then worry about the draft when the time comes.

We have to draft better with the picks we get, especially the high and mid rounders. We have to coach better and we have to execute better. 

@"Bullazin" said:

@"ArizonaViking" said: When people start talking about tanking an entire season after three games for a high draft pick or a positional player...IMO that's just saying "I Quit" when things get rough or things don't go your way.  The Vikings need to play every game with the mentality of winning.  If they lose all of the games, so be it.  If they win a few, then worry about the draft when the time comes.

Tanking is a FANtasy, so its a perfectly qualified take.  Its a product of hopelessness with the current situation. 

We have to draft better with the picks we get, especially the high and mid rounders. We have to coach better and we have to execute better. 

@"ArizonaViking" said: When people start talking about tanking an entire season after three games for a high draft pick or a positional player...IMO that's just saying "I Quit" when things get rough or things don't go your way.  The Vikings need to play every game with the mentality of winning.  If they lose all of the games, so be it.  If they win a few, then worry about the draft when the time comes.

My personal attitude about intentionally tanking is that it's risky. You can miss the opportunity anyway, the player you want can get hurt (e.g. Tua), or they can fail no matter how "can't miss" the scouts say he is. But if fans are hoping we get a great talent when the team looks awful? Fine, hope all you want, we have no real say anyway!
Accusations about loyalty, not being a "real fan", etc. are one of the worst parts of fandom. But they pop up a lot and on this board. Some posters, including some I liked discussing with, have left due to criticism of their loyalty, and that's sad.
Sticky is right that loyalty is for family and friends and people in your life who deserve it. A NFL team? Ridiculous. You get trained to have loyalty to sports teams your kids play in, or maybe the local high school team where you know neighbors and relatives. The NFL uses that habit to tell you a team is "Minnesota" even though few or no one involved may be in your state.
NFL teams are entertainment companies. If someone in New Jersey started a film company and hired actors and writers etc. from all over the world but named it "Minnesota Movies", would you faithfully watch all of their movies - and say they were awesome, even if they were awful movies? Wouldn't it encourage them to make better movies if we all openly said they were bad?

We pin on our NFL allegiance by choice and should never get righteous or hostile about it, beyond very soft joking.

being a fan for over 50 years, I too know when a team has a chance or not, this team cannot compete for a championship and is not in position to compete with the current makeup.  I think the fastest way to being able to compete would be by getting the top choice and getting the best QB prospect since Luck.  The I have watched what they have done since last Feb and could clearly see that there are huge holes in the roster that they filled with 2nd tier players and rookies.  To me they are intentionally putting the team at a competitive disadvantage.   As far as wanting my team to tank, well it will be a much quicker way to get where they want to be than drafting in the middle of rounds for the next 5 - 6 years and being happy with a 8-8 or 9-7 record and losing in the first round.  I want a championship! 

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"Zanary" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"Zanary" said: MB is right.  We barely lost to a playoff team that's undefeated this year.  Our known problems are still there, but the Vikings looked far more like a football team and less like a collection of depressed, confused millionaires than they did in the first two games.

I want the collection of millionaires to tank for Trevor!!!!  Unfortunately yesterday made me think they're just good enough to get out of any QB drafting position.

To me, anyone wanting the team to tank can never claim to be a real fan...so....

So wanting the team to tank to get a generational talent to make the Vikings Super Bowl contenders doesnt make me a real fan? Realizing this team is nowhere near a playoff team and wanting them to get better at the most important position in football makes me not a real fan? I dont mind when people say they dont like tanking, but claiming it makes someone not a real fan is just ignorant.

I can guarantee this coaching staff is not interested in tanking for any of these QBs. They are truly trying to win. Their jobs are on the line.

@Zanary:

Football is a great game, but the sad reality is these player and coaches don't get a free pass to lose too many games. It's also a business.

When a fan base loses heart and wants change. You might see it as spineless or pissing away existing talent (as you say), while other might see it as wanting to find improvement or striving to make the most of the talent that is there.

What you're really saying is mediocracy is ok... rooting for a 6-10, 7-9 season will makes me a better fan??? 

Thank for your wisdom oh great one.  

Maybe we should all look at it this way: no one really wants the Vikings to lose a lot of games, but some are trying to "look for the silver lining" if they do..

@"Carl Knowles" said: I can guarantee this coaching staff is not interested in tanking for any of these QBs. They are truly trying to win. Their jobs are on the line.

@Zanary:

Football is a great game, but the sad reality is these player and coaches don't get a free pass to lose too many games. It's also a business.

When a fan base loses heart and wants change. You might see it as spineless or pissing away existing talent (as you say), while other might see it as wanting to find improvement or striving to make the most of the talent that is there.

What you're really saying is mediocracy is ok... rooting for a 6-10, 7-9 season will makes me a better fan??? 

Thank for your wisdom oh great one.  

What I actually say, and I'll try to keep it simple for the quit-b***h-cult, is that it's 3 weeks in, we know we have a ton of kids in important spots, so already talking about tanking for yet another kid who may or may not waste years of development (as most do, look it up) just so that they can fap themselves blind over the next potential draft pick is pathetic.

Were those words too big?  I assume that spinelessness can't really support much brain size.

@zanary: The Vikings philosophy for the most part is to build through the draft. I understand your point that a 1st round QB has strong bust potential. I get it!

However, the odds of finding a franchise QB outside of the 1st round drops off considerably pick by pick and round by round. That's why the Chiefs traded 2 1st round picks and a 3rd rounder to move up for Patrick Mahomes. Chiefs fans were in disbelief at the time because they had Alex Smith. Fast forward...now they love that trade.

Don't give up! Keep rooting the Vikings on,... I admire your resolve!

I agree 3 weeks in is too early to tank, but the next 3 weeks looks like a real difficult gauntlet for the Vikings.

I will keep my fingers crossed that the Vikings will turn it around and make a playoff run. I like the Vikings young talent and I know sooner or later they will turn it around. Yes, it was awesome to see them in a position to win the game against the Titans.  

With that said, I alway stand by the philosophy that you build great teams through the draft. And great teams usually have great QBs. Can't apologize for that... just facts.

If looking forward to the Vikings next draft pick makes me pathetic and spineless, than I'm guilty as charged. 

Would I be shocked if Cousin played great and went on a winning streak? No that's what he does,... hot for chunks of games, but cold in key spots.