The NBA seems to have gotten it right...
With the bubble...
Meanwhile in Cleveland:
AP source: Indians' Clevinger flew with team after violation
CLEVELAND — Mike Clevinger's free spirit may have put the Cleveland Indians at risk.Clevinger flew home with his teammates Sunday despite knowing he had broken the club's COVID-19 protocols by going out in Chicago with right-hander Zach Plesac during Cleveland's weekend trip, according to a person familiar with the situation.
Clevinger did not admit that he had violated the rules during a team meeting Sunday to discuss Plesac being sent home by the team, said the person who spoke Monday night to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation.
The Indians said Clevinger, who can be outspokpen and outlandish, will be quarantined and tested and will not make his scheduled start Tuesday night at home against the Cubs. It's not yet known if Clevinger and Pleasac have been tested since their violations were reported.
They will have to twice test negative in 72 hours before they'll be allowed to rejoin in any team activities.
The Indians arranged a car service to take Plesac back to Cleveland so he wouldn’t be around his teammates in case he had contracted the coronavirus while out with friends on Saturday after he getting his first win this season with six strong innings against the White Sox.
Clevinger not only didn't acknowledge his misstep to the club, but he then took the team flight despite knowing he was putting his teammates and staff at risk. One of those teammates is fellow starter Carlos Carrasco, who could have a compromised immune system after being treated for leukemia last year.
Clevinger and Plesac are being counted on as part of a strong Cleveland pitching staff that has carried the club through 17 games.
The Indians — and other Major League Baseball teams — have established codes of conduct in order to mitigate possible spread of the highly contagious disease. The St. Louis Cardinals and Miami Marlins have had numerous games postponed due to virus outbreaks among their players and staff members.
Last month, Clevinger said he was in favor of the team having guidelines to keep players in check.
“This isn’t going to be a ‘run to daddy’ kind of thing. We’re going to handle it in-house. This is a player discipline thing. Keep the coaches, front office kind of out of it,” he said on July 30. “It puts a little extra accountability, kind of. Just having that trust in your teammates is a big thing. It’s a big thing on the field. If you feel your teammate doesn’t trust you off the field how are you going to feel like he trusts you when you get between the lines?”
Clevinger and Plesac could face additional discipline from the Indians, who have been proactive during baseball's re-start. They quarantined slugger Franmil Reyes after learning he didn't wear a mask or practice social distancing while attending a July 4 party.
Team president Chris Antonetti and manager Terry Francona, who has been away from the team for the past eight games while dealing with a gastrointestinal issue, are expected to address Clevinger's situation Tuesday.
The 25-year-old Plesac issued an apology on Sunday night to the organization and fans.
“I realize I made a poor choice to leave the hotel, which broke protocols and could have endangered other people," Plesac said. "I understand that in these times of uncertainty, I need to be more vigilant and responsible and I am determined to earn my teammates’ forgiveness and get back to work.”
Following Plesac’s indiscretion, Indians ace Shane Bieber said Sunday night that it might be best for players to handle any additional punishment.
“We love Zach and we support him, but he screwed up,” Bieber said. “What we kind of talked about as a team is we need to focus on one thing at a time. We’re gonna handle this in-house, and we’re gonna see where it goes from here.”
Adam Plutko will start in place of Clevinger, a hard-throwing, free-spirited right-hander who is 1-1 with a 3.24 ERA.
On Friday, the 29-year-old Clevinger posted a song lyric on Twitter by Pearl Jam frontman Eddie Vedder that seems to underscore his defiant nature.
“I knew all the rules, but the rules did not know me,” Clevinger wrote.
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An NBA team has 12 players, by far the smallest amount on a major team sport. Much easier logistically.
Hockey is doing well also. Kudos to them for paying attention to the details and having a thorough plan in place.
the NBA is doing great, unless of course you are craving chicken wings from a strip club.
@"StickyBun" said: An NBA team has 12 players, by far the smallest amount on a major team sport. Much easier logistically.This is exactly it. Much more of a manageable situation. I wonder if the NFL has thought about 4 bubbles in the United States. Perhaps something like California, Texas, Florida, and New York. 8 teams per bubble...winners of Cali and Texas play each other, winners of Florida and New York play each other. Winner of those plays in the super bowl?
Based on how things have gone so far, it doesn't seem like a lot of creative thinking has occurred haha
@"Hawkvike25" said:@"StickyBun" said: An NBA team has 12 players, by far the smallest amount on a major team sport. Much easier logistically. This is exactly it. Much more of a manageable situation. I wonder if the NFL has thought about 4 bubbles in the United States. Perhaps something like California, Texas, Florida, and New York. 8 teams per bubble...winners of Cali and Texas play each other, winners of Florida and New York play each other. Winner of those plays in the super bowl?Based on how things have gone so far, it doesn't seem like a lot of creative thinking has occurred haha
its funny that you picked the 4 of the worst states for outbreaks of covid as your bubble states. =)
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Hawkvike25" said:@"StickyBun" said: An NBA team has 12 players, by far the smallest amount on a major team sport. Much easier logistically. This is exactly it. Much more of a manageable situation. I wonder if the NFL has thought about 4 bubbles in the United States. Perhaps something like California, Texas, Florida, and New York. 8 teams per bubble...winners of Cali and Texas play each other, winners of Florida and New York play each other. Winner of those plays in the super bowl?Based on how things have gone so far, it doesn't seem like a lot of creative thinking has occurred haha
its funny that you picked the 4 of the worst states for outbreaks of covid as your bubble states. =)
Yeahhhhhhhhh defintely put that together as I was typing so that would be why. Purely example of course as an idea on how to bubble and create a solution. Wouldnt really matter where the bubble is because there will be no fans
@"Hawkvike25" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Hawkvike25" said:@"StickyBun" said: An NBA team has 12 players, by far the smallest amount on a major team sport. Much easier logistically. This is exactly it. Much more of a manageable situation. I wonder if the NFL has thought about 4 bubbles in the United States. Perhaps something like California, Texas, Florida, and New York. 8 teams per bubble...winners of Cali and Texas play each other, winners of Florida and New York play each other. Winner of those plays in the super bowl?Based on how things have gone so far, it doesn't seem like a lot of creative thinking has occurred haha
its funny that you picked the 4 of the worst states for outbreaks of covid as your bubble states. =)
Yeahhhhhhhhh defintely put that together as I was typing so that would be why. Purely example of course as an idea on how to bubble and create a solution. Wouldnt really matter where the bubble is because there will be no fans
I have my doubts that a bubble would work for the nfl, you are talking about 53 man rosters and coaching staffs and support personnel of likely nearly that many again.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Hawkvike25" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Hawkvike25" said:@"StickyBun" said: An NBA team has 12 players, by far the smallest amount on a major team sport. Much easier logistically. This is exactly it. Much more of a manageable situation. I wonder if the NFL has thought about 4 bubbles in the United States. Perhaps something like California, Texas, Florida, and New York. 8 teams per bubble...winners of Cali and Texas play each other, winners of Florida and New York play each other. Winner of those plays in the super bowl?Based on how things have gone so far, it doesn't seem like a lot of creative thinking has occurred haha
its funny that you picked the 4 of the worst states for outbreaks of covid as your bubble states. =)
Yeahhhhhhhhh defintely put that together as I was typing so that would be why. Purely example of course as an idea on how to bubble and create a solution. Wouldnt really matter where the bubble is because there will be no fans
I have my doubts that a bubble would work for the nfl, you are talking about 53 man rosters and coaching staffs and support personnel of likely nearly that many again.
Well yeah, there's going to be doubts with whatever is presented...I just think it would work better than how a normal season is structured which seems to be how they're moving forward. There's no perfect solution with 53 guys and a contact sport, but that doesn't mean you cant try an alternative
@"Hawkvike25" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Hawkvike25" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Hawkvike25" said:@"StickyBun" said: An NBA team has 12 players, by far the smallest amount on a major team sport. Much easier logistically. This is exactly it. Much more of a manageable situation. I wonder if the NFL has thought about 4 bubbles in the United States. Perhaps something like California, Texas, Florida, and New York. 8 teams per bubble...winners of Cali and Texas play each other, winners of Florida and New York play each other. Winner of those plays in the super bowl?Based on how things have gone so far, it doesn't seem like a lot of creative thinking has occurred haha
its funny that you picked the 4 of the worst states for outbreaks of covid as your bubble states. =)
Yeahhhhhhhhh defintely put that together as I was typing so that would be why. Purely example of course as an idea on how to bubble and create a solution. Wouldnt really matter where the bubble is because there will be no fans
I have my doubts that a bubble would work for the nfl, you are talking about 53 man rosters and coaching staffs and support personnel of likely nearly that many again.
Well yeah, there's going to be doubts with whatever is presented...I just think it would work better than how a normal season is structured which seems to be how they're moving forward. There's no perfect solution with 53 guys and a contact sport, but that doesn't mean you cant try an alternative
i just think the facilities requirements for football are so much greater than the other sports it would be much harder to find 1 location that could accommodate 8 NFL teams in a controlled area.not saying it couldnt be done or shouldnt be tried, just that the logistics of a bubble of that scope and size is monumentally greater than that of the NBA.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Hawkvike25" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Hawkvike25" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Hawkvike25" said:@"StickyBun" said: An NBA team has 12 players, by far the smallest amount on a major team sport. Much easier logistically. This is exactly it. Much more of a manageable situation. I wonder if the NFL has thought about 4 bubbles in the United States. Perhaps something like California, Texas, Florida, and New York. 8 teams per bubble...winners of Cali and Texas play each other, winners of Florida and New York play each other. Winner of those plays in the super bowl?Based on how things have gone so far, it doesn't seem like a lot of creative thinking has occurred haha
its funny that you picked the 4 of the worst states for outbreaks of covid as your bubble states. =)
Yeahhhhhhhhh defintely put that together as I was typing so that would be why. Purely example of course as an idea on how to bubble and create a solution. Wouldnt really matter where the bubble is because there will be no fans
I have my doubts that a bubble would work for the nfl, you are talking about 53 man rosters and coaching staffs and support personnel of likely nearly that many again.
Well yeah, there's going to be doubts with whatever is presented...I just think it would work better than how a normal season is structured which seems to be how they're moving forward. There's no perfect solution with 53 guys and a contact sport, but that doesn't mean you cant try an alternative
i just think the facilities requirements for football are so much greater than the other sports it would be much harder to find 1 location that could accommodate 8 NFL teams in a controlled area.not saying it couldnt be done or shouldnt be tried, just that the logistics of a bubble of that scope and size is monumentally greater than that of the NBA.
No disagreements there. They must, however, come up with a strategy/theory that could work, and then establish logistics and procedures after that. A controlled area is the way to go IMO...how it gets done and if it gets done is up to Roger as he's getting $40MM a year in compensation for a reason
@"Hawkvike25" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Hawkvike25" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Hawkvike25" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"Hawkvike25" said:@"StickyBun" said: An NBA team has 12 players, by far the smallest amount on a major team sport. Much easier logistically. This is exactly it. Much more of a manageable situation. I wonder if the NFL has thought about 4 bubbles in the United States. Perhaps something like California, Texas, Florida, and New York. 8 teams per bubble...winners of Cali and Texas play each other, winners of Florida and New York play each other. Winner of those plays in the super bowl?Based on how things have gone so far, it doesn't seem like a lot of creative thinking has occurred haha
its funny that you picked the 4 of the worst states for outbreaks of covid as your bubble states. =)
Yeahhhhhhhhh defintely put that together as I was typing so that would be why. Purely example of course as an idea on how to bubble and create a solution. Wouldnt really matter where the bubble is because there will be no fans
I have my doubts that a bubble would work for the nfl, you are talking about 53 man rosters and coaching staffs and support personnel of likely nearly that many again.
Well yeah, there's going to be doubts with whatever is presented...I just think it would work better than how a normal season is structured which seems to be how they're moving forward. There's no perfect solution with 53 guys and a contact sport, but that doesn't mean you cant try an alternative
i just think the facilities requirements for football are so much greater than the other sports it would be much harder to find 1 location that could accommodate 8 NFL teams in a controlled area.not saying it couldnt be done or shouldnt be tried, just that the logistics of a bubble of that scope and size is monumentally greater than that of the NBA.
No disagreements there. They must, however, come up with a strategy/theory that could work, and then establish logistics and procedures after that. A controlled area is the way to go IMO...how it gets done and if it gets done is up to Roger as he's getting $40MM a year in compensation for a reason
I would guess they have a plan in place, just dont want to release the details to soon in case something happens prior to week 1 that would force them to change their plan and make them look unprepared.
My guess is the NFL will use a bubble in 2021.
Some form of 8 rotational bubbles, that start with division opponents.
From all that I have a read, an rNA vaccine, with necessary efficacy rate won't be in place by 2022.
There is a long way to go before I think we declare anyone a success yet. All things considered I think MLB is doing better than expected. 30 players on each team, plus large coaching and training staffs. 28 of the 30 teams have not had an issue. MLB has also done a really great job of creating a regular game experience. The NBA seems like the NBA summer league. Hopefully, the MLB teams who have been clean will learn from those who have had issues and will have a successful remainder of the season.
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