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Am I the only one who thinks Jefferson might be Treadwell 2.0.  He looks faster but most of  the highlights I see he just does not get that much seperation.  He seems to have better hands but so did Treadwells highlights.

 Are there any LSU fans who have watched Jefferson and seen potential to dominate at the next level?  I loved our draft overall and I have high hopes for Jefferson but the highlights I have seen just dont show him out running the DBs.  Maybe he is a great route runner with awesome hands?

I have not been on the board much sonif this has been discussed I apologise.

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#1 · Jun 23, 6:14 PM
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Well his 4.4 isnt going to be scaring many DBs,  but his overall skill set should be enough to get better separation the quan had,  and hopefully he can let shit slide,  Quan let the noise eat him up.

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@"JimmyinSD" said: Well his 4.4 isnt going to be scaring many DBs,  but his overall skill set should be enough to get better separation the quan had,  and hopefully he can let shit slide,  Quan let the noise eat him up.
honestly this year might be a good thing if it lowers expectations on the rookies
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I know he's not a burner per sey, but his strengths should translate well in the pros. Here is what Walter Football had to say:

Strengths: 

  • Mismatch height, length 
  • Red-zone weapon 
  • Tracks the ball well 
  • High points the ball well 
  • Quality route runner 
  • Solid hands 
  • Enough speed to get downfield 
  • Leaping ability 
  • Very good body control 
  • Adjusts well 
  • Experienced and successful against good college programs 
  • Late hands 
  • Great practice player 
  • Pushes teammates to get better 
    Weaknesses: 
  • Not a burner 
  • May lack deep speed for the NFL
  • Leaner frame 
  • May not be a big separation receiver
  • Could be better off as a No. 2 receiver 
  • Could stand to fill out his frame 
  • Should add strength 

    Summary: Jefferson was a top recruit when he selected LSU, and it took some time for Jefferson to live up to the hype. He made a single catch as a freshman, but broke out as sophomore with 54 receptions for 875 yards and six touchdowns. In 2019, the junior was a superb weapon for Joe Burrow producing a lot of big plays for the Tigers' point-machine offense. Jefferson recorded 111 catches for 1,540 yards and 18 touchdowns. He then helped himself at the NFL Scouting Combine with a 4.43-second time in the 40-yard dash. 

    There is a lot to like about Jefferson for the NFL, as he has the skill set to be an effective starting receiver. He has mismatch height and length with solid hands, leaping ability, and body control downfield. That makes him very dangerous to make receptions over defensive backs and come down with contested catches even when he is covered. Jefferson high points the ball and is a dangerous red-zone weapon. While Jefferson is not a burner, he has enough quickness to get downfield and challenge defenses. He is a weapon to work the sideline and be tough wideout to defend on back shoulder, fades and slants. 

    Jefferson may not be a big separation receiver as a pro because he may not have elite speed to run by pro cornerbacks. He could be better off as a No. 2 receiver playing off a No. 1 and taking advantage of single coverage. It would help Jefferson to add some strength and fill out his frame for the next level.  

    There are some projections of Jefferson being a first-round pick in the 2020 NFL Draft. Some team sources say Jefferson could have a hard time making it into Round 1 because of the plethora of wide receiver prospects. Jefferson could be a good value pick in the second round and has a shot at going earlier. 

    Another bonus for Jefferson is that sources say the LSU staff raved to teams about Jefferson as a kid and worker. They say he also is a tremendous practice player who loves to compete and makes his teammates better by challenging them on the practice field. Jefferson is on the bubble of the first and second round, but that feedback could help get him into Thursday night. 

    Player Comparison: Marvin Jones. Jefferson and Jones (6-2, 198) are similar in size with athleticism, size and quickness. They aren't overwhelmingly dominant in their skill set, but are effective with a nice combination of talents. In the NFL, I could see Jefferson being a wideout similar to Jones. 

    https://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2020jjefferson.php

    Personally, I am tampering down my expectations for all rooks this year, for the obvious reasons. 

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    #4 · Jun 23, 7:10 PM
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    I have some reservations about this pick myself. Nothing jumps out at you when you watch video on the kid. 

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    @"StickyBun" said: I have some reservations about this pick myself. Nothing jumps out at you when you watch video on the kid. 
    I watched a ton of LSU football the last few years, just so I could hear the head coach interviewed afterwards lol...

    But seriously, I fell in love with the kid. Big, big games and he really lit some good teams and db's up. He's not a prototypical #1 NFL WR body-type, but he can give DC's some real challenges. AT, Randy Moss type body control. 

    Frankly I never thought we'd have a chance to land him. A good OC will  be able to line him up all over too, good head on his shoulders.  

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    From a physical standpoint, Treadwell was much more limited than Jefferson was.  Not many players are going to just dominate NFL DBs with physical traits alone, so he's going to have to put the work in, but he's not limited physically like Treadwell was.

    https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/laquon-treadwell
    https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/justin-jefferson
    https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/adam-thielen
    https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/stefon-diggs

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    For what it's worth, I thought Treadwell was the most overrated receiver in the 2016 draft.  I had Justin Jefferson as my #1 receiver in this class, ahead of Ruggs, Lamb and Jeudy.

    What I like about JJ is that he's a very good all around receiver with few weaknesses. He's fast, he's smooth, he's got good feet, runs solid routes. Separation, hands and ball skills are good. Coaches love his work ethic. He has very little bust factor. I like guys like that a lot more than the boom or bust types. 

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    @"StickyBun" said: I have some reservations about this pick myself. Nothing jumps out at you when you watch video on the kid. 
    You're gonna regret saying this...  Lol
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    @"JimmyinSD" said: Well his 4.4 isnt going to be scaring many DBs,  but his overall skill set should be enough to get better separation the quan had,  and hopefully he can let shit slide,  Quan let the noise eat him up.
    4.43 is what JJ ran at the combine. For his size, that's pretty fast. I'd say if you took the top 20 receivers in the NFL, that time would rank him in the top third. It's faster than both Thielen and Diggs, for example. Also, JJ's jump numbers were very good. He's definitely an athlete. 
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    Justin was extremely productive vs very good competition all year last year. I wouldnt be too worried about separation right now when you look at the numbers he posted vs the best competition week in and week out. I know Oklahoma doesnt play defense, but over 100 yards on Clemson, Georgia, Florida, and Texas last year and all of those teams, except for Texas, won 11 games or more.

    I had Lamb as my #1 and Jeudy as my #2 but I was leaning JJ over Ruggs at #3. I think we like the guy and Kubiak finds a way to make him very productive in year 1. Can we ban the word "Laquon" or "Treadwell" on this site? :-) 

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    @"JimmyinSD" said: Well his 4.4 isnt going to be scaring many DBs,  but his overall skill set should be enough to get better separation the quan had,  and hopefully he can let shit slide,  Quan let the noise eat him up.
    Uh, his 4.43 40 time is in the top 25% of NFL players.  He has some wheels, not Tyreek Hill speed, but he is still fast by NFL standards.  He would run circles around Treadwell.

    Regardless, the thing that stands out to me about Jefferson is his elite body control and he's fearless over the middle of the field.  He has quick feet and is already a well developed route runner.  His game will easily translate to the NFL and our offense.

    I think fans are going to be surprised at how productive he is as a rookie.

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    @"Wetlander" said:
    @"StickyBun" said: I have some reservations about this pick myself. Nothing jumps out at you when you watch video on the kid. 
    You're gonna regret saying this...  Lol
    I hope so Wet!!!  =)
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    I like the player and the pick.  I think the speed is there.

    Bisi Johnson is someone who is very explosive, but not very fast. That gains him an advantage off the line and into the route.  

    Bisi can jump cut at a near-elite level, and that's how he get's open.  Kubiak was very high on him, too.  

    I can't help but notice that guys with blazing speed don't usually come with great intangibles (hands, leadership, work ethic, football IQ).

    I would say JJ has it all, including the great speed.   He's already where Teams are hoping Jeudy, Lamb, and Ruggs will be someday with good coaching.  He's also a player/coaches son, IIRC?

    Ain't gonna lie. Losing Stephon left a hole, but he was oft-injured and seemed to want a feature role on a team that doesn't really do that for anyone.

    I'm expecting at least 50 catches, unless someone can rein in my enthusiasm.

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    @"Wetlander" said:
    @"JimmyinSD" said: Well his 4.4 isnt going to be scaring many DBs,  but his overall skill set should be enough to get better separation the quan had,  and hopefully he can let shit slide,  Quan let the noise eat him up.
    Uh, his 4.43 40 time is in the top 25% of NFL players.  He has some wheels, not Tyreek Hill speed, but he is still fast by NFL standards.  He would run circles around Treadwell.

    Regardless, the thing that stands out to me about Jefferson is his elite body control and he's fearless over the middle of the field.  He has quick feet and is already a well developed route runner.  His game will easily translate to the NFL and our offense.

    I think fans are going to be surprised at how productive he is as a rookie.



    The question was his top end and he doesnt have elite speed,  that's all I said and even noted that his overall skill set would be what make him effective.

    I wasnt the one making the comparison to treadwell. 

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    @"Wetlander" said:
    @"StickyBun" said: I have some reservations about this pick myself. Nothing jumps out at you when you watch video on the kid. 
    You're gonna regret saying this...  Lol
    Told ya, Sticky....  :-D
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    @"Wetlander" said:
    @"Wetlander" said:
    @"StickyBun" said: I have some reservations about this pick myself. Nothing jumps out at you when you watch video on the kid. 
    You're gonna regret saying this...  Lol
    Told ya, Sticky....  :-D
    Dayum! And Wetlander shows up with the receipts! 
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    I love the pick. I enjoyed watching him at LSU. He may not have the fastest time but he has a great skill set. He is very smart. That play where he caught the ball over his shoulder was awesome because he catches the ball, has to spin and get his feet down while the defender is trying to get the ball. A lot of different things going on at once and a lot of awareness required to be successful. It was funny in his post game where he said they didn't work on that. Bercich and Leber were kind of joking about him being too honest about that. But he is engaging and charming in an interview as well. He was talking a lot to Thielen on the sidelines. He is trying to absorb all he can and he came from a system with great competition. I think it's a great pick. 

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    @"Wetlander" said:
    @"Wetlander" said:
    @"StickyBun" said: I have some reservations about this pick myself. Nothing jumps out at you when you watch video on the kid. 
    You're gonna regret saying this...  Lol
    Told ya, Sticky....  :-D
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    I for one am thrilled JJ looks like a steal!  The kid loves football and the seperation is really good so far.  Man i cannot wait to see what he develops into and see him mature.  I think many of us including myself have been so shell shocked by Williamson and Treadwell that it effected out view of JJ. love it when the GM is right and my doubts are wrong.

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    "Jefferson has shown why we took him at that pick," Cook said. "I think he had like four catches for 100-and-some yards. That’s a guy that can create some plays and some different matchups. He’s taking a lot of pressure off Adam."
    All of a sudden, Jefferson is on pace for nearly 1,400 receiving yards. Here are a couple notable stats from the first month of his career:

    • PFF has given Jefferson grades of 91 or better in two straight games. He's currently their highest-graded receiver in the NFL (and Thielen is No. 2).
    • Jefferson's 348 yards are the second-most in a receiver's first four games over the past decade, trailing only Diggs.
    • He's eighth in the NFL in receiving yards despite not starting until Week 3.
    • Jefferson is tied with Diggs for the NFL lead with eight catches of 20-plus yards.
    • Among players with at least ten catches, his 21.75 yards per reception trails only Seattle's DK Metcalf.

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