So, About That Trade Up In The First

https://truemedian.com/2020/04/27/peter-kings-football-morning-in-america-2020-nfl-draft-nbcsports-com/

I just read that article. Had to be for either Wirfs or Kinlaw. 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/27/bucs-were-frustrated-with-inability-to-trade-earlier/

@"MaroonBells" said: I just read that article. Had to be for either Wirfs or Kinlaw. 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/27/bucs-were-frustrated-with-inability-to-trade-earlier/

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: I just read that article. Had to be for either Wirfs or Kinlaw. 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/27/bucs-were-frustrated-with-inability-to-trade-earlier/

I wonder if Licht realizes how much he screwed up my mock. My guess it was Kinlaw. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: I just read that article. Had to be for either Wirfs or Kinlaw. 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/27/bucs-were-frustrated-with-inability-to-trade-earlier/

I wonder if Licht realizes how much he screwed up my mock. My guess it was Kinlaw. 

I got word from an "insider" the day of the draft that Rick was trying to make a move up for Wirfs,  this had to be that.

I hate when teams leak info like this.

I was surprised Wirfs lasted as long as he did - I figured him to be top 5. I am envious of the 49'er draft on an already stacked team. 

@"Mike Olson" said: I hate when teams leak info like this.

Not a leak. King was embedded in the Bucs war room. 

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"Mike Olson" said: I hate when teams leak info like this.

Not a leak. King was embedded in the Bucs war room. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"Mike Olson" said: I hate when teams leak info like this.

Not a leak. King was embedded in the Bucs war room. 

so our coach and gm werent allowed to be in the same room, but it was fine for the media to be in the bucs room?

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"Mike Olson" said: I hate when teams leak info like this.

Not a leak. King was embedded in the Bucs war room. 

so our coach and gm werent allowed to be in the same room, but it was fine for the media to be in the bucs room?

I'd love to know how the coaching staff honestly feels about Cleveland falling to them. Are they truly excited or are they acting excited because its the best they could do considering. 

@"StickyBun" said: I'd love to know how the coaching staff honestly feels about Cleveland falling to them. Are they truly excited or are they acting excited because its the best they could do considering. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I'd love to know how the coaching staff honestly feels about Cleveland falling to them. Are they truly excited or are they acting excited because its the best they could do considering. 

Well, unless Spielman is lying, he tried to move up into the early 2nd round to draft Cleveland. But he couldn't find a taker. He said he then looked at the team needs in the 2nd round and decided there was a  chance he could fall to them at #58. No, from everything I've read and heard, the Vikings were very high on Cleveland. Makes sense, too. He's a pure left tackle who fits perfectly into a zone blocking system. He's Brian O'Neill 2.0. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I'd love to know how the coaching staff honestly feels about Cleveland falling to them. Are they truly excited or are they acting excited because its the best they could do considering. 

Well, unless Spielman is lying, he tried to move up into the early 2nd round to draft Cleveland. But he couldn't find a taker. He said he then looked at the team needs in the 2nd round and decided there was a  chance he could fall to them at #58. No, from everything I've read and heard, the Vikings were very high on Cleveland. Makes sense, too. He's a pure left tackle who fits perfectly into a zone blocking system. He's Brian O'Neill 2.0. 

I keep reading how weak the kid is, how he doesn't anchor well, needs to gain functional strength. Yet didn't he pop out 30 reps on the bench press? I'm confused. Its very hard for long-limbed dudes to put up big numbers on the bench even if they are strong, but 30 is pretty damn good for a 6'6" guy.

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I'd love to know how the coaching staff honestly feels about Cleveland falling to them. Are they truly excited or are they acting excited because its the best they could do considering. 

Well, unless Spielman is lying, he tried to move up into the early 2nd round to draft Cleveland. But he couldn't find a taker. He said he then looked at the team needs in the 2nd round and decided there was a  chance he could fall to them at #58. No, from everything I've read and heard, the Vikings were very high on Cleveland. Makes sense, too. He's a pure left tackle who fits perfectly into a zone blocking system. He's Brian O'Neill 2.0. 

I keep reading how weak the kid is, how he doesn't anchor well, needs to gain functional strength. Yet didn't he pop out 30 reps on the bench press? I'm confused. Its very hard for long-limbed dudes to put up big numbers on the bench even if they are strong, but 30 is pretty damn good for a 6'6" guy.

I think that is a good question, it comes down to the difference between testing and play strength. The bench press is not a good overall measure of strength since it isolates the upper body. His lack of overall length also would suggest he'd have more bench reps. Tall <> Long Arms. Where he lacks is core strength, he gets pushed back when he can keep the DEs hands off his chest plate. O'Neill struggled with the same thing but lacked overall weight, Cleveland is at least a little better off there. Its just something that will take some time. 

My larger worry is how unrefined he is technically for someone with so many snaps. O'Neill played OT better coming into the NFL but had larger physical hurtles to overcome. Cleveland is a bit of the opposite. The part of the evaluation that we don't know is how much a lingering toe issue impacted his 2019 tape.