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Atlanta trading up to the top 5

Chiefs looking to move up to grab Ruggs

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Source is telling me Alabama WR Jerry Jeudy‘s draft stock may drop due to reported knee issues that haven’t been disclosed yet. Jeudy underwent surgery for a meniscus injury in 2018. #NFLDraft2020
There is some truth that Jeudy could be the last of the top trio of receivers to be drafted. But it has nothing to do with his medicals. 
His reported Wonderlic score is, um, not high. Depending how his interviews went, yeah I could see him dropping.
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So, with Rick coming out this week saying we don't need to draft a WR in the first round because of the depth of talent that will be available in rounds 2-5, does that mean we are taking one? Just trying to decipher his draft Subterfuge after he insisted we were not trading away Diggs. I have a bad feeling they are targeting Mims over Jefferson. For a guy with his size and speed(4.39 Forty), he just doesn't impress me with his tape. He doesn't gain separation very often on his routes, and seems to lack any lateral quickness out of his breaks. He looked great in shorts at the combine, but he never really displayed any explosiveness at Baylor. Runs lazy routes, is not very physical, despite putting up good numbers. I think he is a project who will take 1-2 years to develop. Jefferson would contribute right away, but that would mean the Vikings would have to figure out how to get Thielen and Jefferson on the field at the same time when they both do their best work from the slot.   

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@"TBro" said: So, with Rick coming out this week saying we don't need to draft a WR in the first round because of the depth of talent that will be available in rounds 2-5, does that mean we are taking one? Just trying to decipher his draft Subterfuge after he insisted we were not trading away Diggs. I have a bad feeling they are targeting Mims over Jefferson. For a guy with his size and speed(4.39 Forty), he just doesn't impress me with his tape. He doesn't gain separation very often on his routes, and seems to lack any lateral quickness out of his breaks. He looked great in shorts at the combine, but he never really displayed any explosiveness at Baylor. Runs lazy routes, is not very physical, despite putting up good numbers. I think he is a project who will take 1-2 years to develop. Jefferson would contribute right away, but that would mean the Vikings would have to figure out how to get Thielen and Jefferson on the field at the same time when they both do their best work from the slot.   
I personally wouldn't read into the comment too much since how the board falls will dictate where they take a WR. It might be round 1 if the value is there, it might not be until round 3 if unexpected players along the D-line, O-line, or Secondary fall to them. 

Mims was a guy I originally didn't have a good feeling about but ended up watching his entire 2019 season. He probably has the best chance to be a high-end WR1 in this draft class. Not saying that is a high likelihood, but the ceiling is there. There is also a lower floor but that is the trade-off. In my opinion I think Mims surprised at the Senior Bowl because he is a long strider on tape. Those guys don't appear as explosive on tape, but appear more so in person. What impresses me is his catch radius and body control for a big guy. Although not a perfect comp, he is like a larger version of Davante Adams. But guess what...Adams did take 1-2 years to develop. Worth the long play? Maybe because he fits the scheme better. 

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@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@"TBro" said: So, with Rick coming out this week saying we don't need to draft a WR in the first round because of the depth of talent that will be available in rounds 2-5, does that mean we are taking one? Just trying to decipher his draft Subterfuge after he insisted we were not trading away Diggs. I have a bad feeling they are targeting Mims over Jefferson. For a guy with his size and speed(4.39 Forty), he just doesn't impress me with his tape. He doesn't gain separation very often on his routes, and seems to lack any lateral quickness out of his breaks. He looked great in shorts at the combine, but he never really displayed any explosiveness at Baylor. Runs lazy routes, is not very physical, despite putting up good numbers. I think he is a project who will take 1-2 years to develop. Jefferson would contribute right away, but that would mean the Vikings would have to figure out how to get Thielen and Jefferson on the field at the same time when they both do their best work from the slot.   
I personally wouldn't read into the comment too much since how the board falls will dictate where they take a WR. It might be round 1 if the value is there, it might not be until round 3 if unexpected players along the D-line, O-line, or Secondary fall to them. 

Mims was a guy I originally didn't have a good feeling about but ended up watching his entire 2019 season. He probably has the best chance to be a high-end WR1 in this draft class. Not saying that is a high likelihood, but the ceiling is there. There is also a lower floor but that is the trade-off. In my opinion I think Mims surprised at the Senior Bowl because he is a long strider on tape. Those guys don't appear as explosive on tape, but appear more so in person. What impresses me is his catch radius and body control for a big guy. Although not a perfect comp, he is like a larger version of Davante Adams. But guess what...Adams did take 1-2 years to develop. Worth the long play? Maybe because he fits the scheme better. 


Thoughts on Reagor, a lot of the mocks have him going before our 22?

Also, I have been a big advocate for Mims for a few weeks anyway.  Would you take him at 22 or wait for 25 or lower?  

I have read a handful of analyst who knock Mims about not a lot of separation for a guy that fast and not physical for his size.  When I watch some clips of him I see both separation and physical play?  Since you reviewed the whole season what do you see?

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@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@"TBro" said: So, with Rick coming out this week saying we don't need to draft a WR in the first round because of the depth of talent that will be available in rounds 2-5, does that mean we are taking one? Just trying to decipher his draft Subterfuge after he insisted we were not trading away Diggs. I have a bad feeling they are targeting Mims over Jefferson. For a guy with his size and speed(4.39 Forty), he just doesn't impress me with his tape. He doesn't gain separation very often on his routes, and seems to lack any lateral quickness out of his breaks. He looked great in shorts at the combine, but he never really displayed any explosiveness at Baylor. Runs lazy routes, is not very physical, despite putting up good numbers. I think he is a project who will take 1-2 years to develop. Jefferson would contribute right away, but that would mean the Vikings would have to figure out how to get Thielen and Jefferson on the field at the same time when they both do their best work from the slot.   
I personally wouldn't read into the comment too much since how the board falls will dictate where they take a WR. It might be round 1 if the value is there, it might not be until round 3 if unexpected players along the D-line, O-line, or Secondary fall to them. 

Mims was a guy I originally didn't have a good feeling about but ended up watching his entire 2019 season. He probably has the best chance to be a high-end WR1 in this draft class. Not saying that is a high likelihood, but the ceiling is there. There is also a lower floor but that is the trade-off. In my opinion I think Mims surprised at the Senior Bowl because he is a long strider on tape. Those guys don't appear as explosive on tape, but appear more so in person. What impresses me is his catch radius and body control for a big guy. Although not a perfect comp, he is like a larger version of Davante Adams. But guess what...Adams did take 1-2 years to develop. Worth the long play? Maybe because he fits the scheme better. 



Mims is one of the receivers I can't get a good feel for. His HWS is outstanding and he played really well at the Senior Bowl, which is always a really good sign, but I didn't like much of his Baylor clips. He's not Laquon Treadwell, but I didn't see a lot of quickness or separation. It sounds like scouts are split on him, too, since he's ranked everywhere from 5th to 10th. Routes and hands are question marks, too. I like him a lot more in the 2nd round but I think I'd take Higgins over him. He's got a higher floor.

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@"minny65" said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@"TBro" said: So, with Rick coming out this week saying we don't need to draft a WR in the first round because of the depth of talent that will be available in rounds 2-5, does that mean we are taking one? Just trying to decipher his draft Subterfuge after he insisted we were not trading away Diggs. I have a bad feeling they are targeting Mims over Jefferson. For a guy with his size and speed(4.39 Forty), he just doesn't impress me with his tape. He doesn't gain separation very often on his routes, and seems to lack any lateral quickness out of his breaks. He looked great in shorts at the combine, but he never really displayed any explosiveness at Baylor. Runs lazy routes, is not very physical, despite putting up good numbers. I think he is a project who will take 1-2 years to develop. Jefferson would contribute right away, but that would mean the Vikings would have to figure out how to get Thielen and Jefferson on the field at the same time when they both do their best work from the slot.   
I personally wouldn't read into the comment too much since how the board falls will dictate where they take a WR. It might be round 1 if the value is there, it might not be until round 3 if unexpected players along the D-line, O-line, or Secondary fall to them. 

Mims was a guy I originally didn't have a good feeling about but ended up watching his entire 2019 season. He probably has the best chance to be a high-end WR1 in this draft class. Not saying that is a high likelihood, but the ceiling is there. There is also a lower floor but that is the trade-off. In my opinion I think Mims surprised at the Senior Bowl because he is a long strider on tape. Those guys don't appear as explosive on tape, but appear more so in person. What impresses me is his catch radius and body control for a big guy. Although not a perfect comp, he is like a larger version of Davante Adams. But guess what...Adams did take 1-2 years to develop. Worth the long play? Maybe because he fits the scheme better. 


Thoughts on Reagor, a lot of the mocks have him going before our 22?

Also, I have been a big advocate for Mims for a few weeks anyway.  Would you take him at 22 or wait for 25 or lower?  

I have read a handful of analyst who knock Mims about not a lot of separation for a guy that fast and not physical for his size.  When I watch some clips of him I see both separation and physical play?  Since you reviewed the whole season what do you see?



I don't think you would have a 2nd chance at Mims if you don't take him at 22/25. But you could probably trade back a few spots. Reagor is a different flavor of boom/bust but his play speed is superb. 

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@"TBro" said: So, with Rick coming out this week saying we don't need to draft a WR in the first round because of the depth of talent that will be available in rounds 2-5, does that mean we are taking one? Just trying to decipher his draft Subterfuge after he insisted we were not trading away Diggs. I have a bad feeling they are targeting Mims over Jefferson. For a guy with his size and speed(4.39 Forty), he just doesn't impress me with his tape. He doesn't gain separation very often on his routes, and seems to lack any lateral quickness out of his breaks. He looked great in shorts at the combine, but he never really displayed any explosiveness at Baylor. Runs lazy routes, is not very physical, despite putting up good numbers. I think he is a project who will take 1-2 years to develop. Jefferson would contribute right away, but that would mean the Vikings would have to figure out how to get Thielen and Jefferson on the field at the same time when they both do their best work from the slot.   
I personally wouldn't read into the comment too much since how the board falls will dictate where they take a WR. It might be round 1 if the value is there, it might not be until round 3 if unexpected players along the D-line, O-line, or Secondary fall to them. 

Mims was a guy I originally didn't have a good feeling about but ended up watching his entire 2019 season. He probably has the best chance to be a high-end WR1 in this draft class. Not saying that is a high likelihood, but the ceiling is there. There is also a lower floor but that is the trade-off. In my opinion I think Mims surprised at the Senior Bowl because he is a long strider on tape. Those guys don't appear as explosive on tape, but appear more so in person. What impresses me is his catch radius and body control for a big guy. Although not a perfect comp, he is like a larger version of Davante Adams. But guess what...Adams did take 1-2 years to develop. Worth the long play? Maybe because he fits the scheme better. 



Mims is one of the receivers I can't get a good feel for. His HWS is outstanding and he played really well at the Senior Bowl, which is always a really good sign, but I didn't like much of his Baylor clips. He's not Laquon Treadwell, but I didn't see a lot of quickness or separation. It sounds like scouts are split on him, too, since he's ranked everywhere from 5th to 10th. Routes and hands are question marks, too. I like him a lot more in the 2nd round but I think I'd take Higgins over him. He's got a higher floor.


That is exactly it. Higgins is the high floor guy but has limited upside. Mims could end up being the best WR in the class but could barely be a top-53 guys if he doesn't work out. 

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@"pumpf" said: Anybody who moves up to take a WR is a fool.  
Worked for Atlanta when the were stacked and went up for Jones. 
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@"pumpf" said: Anybody who moves up to take a WR is a fool.  
Worked for Atlanta when the were stacked and went up for Jones. 
That's about the only time it worked. And that was a terrible year for WRs. Jones was the only premiere receiver. This draft will likely have 10 taken between 10 and 50. That draft had 2.
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@"AGRforever" said:
@"pumpf" said: Anybody who moves up to take a WR is a fool.  
Worked for Atlanta when the were stacked and went up for Jones. 
is there a julio jones in this draft?
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Kiper's final mock draft has the #Vikings stealing Henry Ruggs III at #22 and taking Jaylon Johnson at #25

Also has the Lions taking Derrick Brown at #3 and the Packers taking Cole Kmet

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Paul Allen on KFAN said the #Vikings could be trading for Washington LT Trent Williams today with the compensation being a Day-3 pick.

Team can then focus on CB and WR in 1st round.

“Don’t be surprised if there’s more action for the purple & gold today than a Rambo movie.”

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@"BarrNone55" said:
Paul Allen on KFAN said the #Vikings could be trading for Washington LT Trent Williams today with the compensation being a Day-3 pick.

Team can then focus on CB and WR in 1st round.

“Don’t be surprised if there’s more action for the purple & gold today than a Rambo movie.”



I have my doubts that PA would be putting anything legit out until its done,  if he is broadcasting it,  IMO that signals its likely just stage smoke.

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Kiper's final mock draft has the #Vikings stealing Henry Ruggs III at #22 and taking Jaylon Johnson at #25

Also has the Lions taking Derrick Brown at #3 and the Packers taking Cole Kmet

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So all three teams strike out. I think Ruggs and Brown have bust potential and anyone who takes a TE in the 1st round deserves what they get. 

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  • CESAR RUIZC, COLLEGE PLAYER
    ESPN's Todd Archer reports "a scenario I'm positive won't happen tonight: the Cowboys taking Michigan C Cesar Ruiz either at No. 17 or a trade back."The Cowboys have a history of using high-round picks on offensive linemen, but that reportedly won't be the case this year. Archer added that Dallas believes in Joe Looney and Connor McGovern as the Travis Frederick replacements. This would seemingly indicate the team is looking to address the defensive side of the ball in the first round, perhaps at edge rusher or in the secondary.
    SOURCE: Todd Archer on TwitterApr 23, 2020, 9:50 AM ET
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Hours before draft, there's been much talk among GMs about potential late-first-round moves, with Minnesota as a key cog in the discussions. This is mostly groundwork, since draft boards need to shake out. One GM said he expects Jordan Love to create movement if he's there in 20s
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