Jeremiah Mock: Johnson, Higgins to Vikings

they cant let Love fall to the Packers.   I dont think he is a top 10 talent in terms of readiness,  but I would certainly use one of our picks ahead of the packers to grab him and then let him learn behind Kirk for a year or two.   Its not really a good deal for the team short term,  but I think he could be a real good player for us long term.

Will Detroit really pass on Tua?

That seems to be the consensus...

@"JimmyinSD" said: they cant let Love fall to the Packers.   I dont think he is a top 10 talent in terms of readiness,  but I would certainly use one of our picks ahead of the packers to grab him and then let him learn behind Kirk for a year or two.   Its not really a good deal for the team short term,  but I think he could be a real good player for us long term.

Yeah if GB gets Love after we already picked twice, and he turns out to be good (big if), that's gonna really suck. Hopefully they're content with Washed Rodgers for a few more seasons before picking an heir. EDIT- This mock sorta doesn't fall great for us at all, winding up with choices between CB4, WR5, and OT5. Thus, I have concluded DJ is a know-nothing hack.* *Until he releases his next, more Vikings-friendly mock.

Not a huge fan of this mock. I like Jaylon Johnson a lot. I'd draft him before Fulton, but not Terrell. Still, that seems a bit early. Jeremiah is one of the more "connected" media scouts, and his mocks are based a lot on what he hears, so maybe the NFL does have Johnson that high. Too high for Higgins, too, IMO. Smacks too much like 2016, when we took the 4th receiver in the 23 slot (Treadwell). 

And just a painful reminder that not only was Treadwell a bust, but all three of the receivers taken ahead of him have been busts as well. Coleman, Fuller, and Doctson. If this is how it falls, I pass on Higgins and try for better value in the 2nd round. 

Not seeing anyone ranking any of the tail-backs first rd worthy....

@"pattersaur" said:

Yeah if GB gets Love after we already picked twice, and he turns out to be good (big if), that's gonna really suck. Hopefully they're content with Washed Rodgers for a few more seasons before picking an heir. EDIT- This mock sorta doesn't fall great for us at all, winding up with choices between CB4, WR5, and OT5. Thus, I have concluded DJ is a know-nothing hack.* *Until he releases his next, more Vikings-friendly mock.

This scenario seems way too much like how the Packers got Rodgers...  Vikings have two 1st round picks and an established QB...  Packers have an elite QB entering his final years and take a highly rated QB with flaws to marinate for a couple seasons...

@"Wetlander" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

Yeah if GB gets Love after we already picked twice, and he turns out to be good (big if), that's gonna really suck. Hopefully they're content with Washed Rodgers for a few more seasons before picking an heir. EDIT- This mock sorta doesn't fall great for us at all, winding up with choices between CB4, WR5, and OT5. Thus, I have concluded DJ is a know-nothing hack.* *Until he releases his next, more Vikings-friendly mock.

This scenario seems way too much like how the Packers got Rodgers...  Vikings have two 1st round picks and an established QB...  Packers have an elite QB entering his final years and take a highly rated QB with flaws to marinate for a couple seasons...

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

Yeah if GB gets Love after we already picked twice, and he turns out to be good (big if), that's gonna really suck. Hopefully they're content with Washed Rodgers for a few more seasons before picking an heir. EDIT- This mock sorta doesn't fall great for us at all, winding up with choices between CB4, WR5, and OT5. Thus, I have concluded DJ is a know-nothing hack.* *Until he releases his next, more Vikings-friendly mock.

This scenario seems way too much like how the Packers got Rodgers...  Vikings have two 1st round picks and an established QB...  Packers have an elite QB entering his final years and take a highly rated QB with flaws to marinate for a couple seasons...

which is exactly why we cant let it happen again... hell  if there are 2 QBs still on the board when we pick at 22 take them both in the first.

I think it could be effectively  argued the 2005 draft changed the trajectory for the Vikings and Packers for the next decade:
2005 NFL Draft Selections
ROUND ONE
1. San Francisco, Alex Smith, qb, Utah.
2. Miami, Ronnie Brown, rb, Auburn.
3. Cleveland, Braylon Edwards, wr, Michigan.
4. Chicago, Cedric Benson, rb, Texas.
5. Tampa Bay, Carnell Williams, rb, Auburn.
6. Tennessee, Adam Jones, db, West Virginia.
7. Minnesota (from Oakland), Troy Williamson, wr, South Carolina.
8. Arizona, Antrel Rolle, db, Miami.
9. Washington, Carlos Rogers, db, Auburn.
10. Detroit, Mike Williams, wr, Southern Cal.
11. Dallas, DeMarcus Ware, de, Troy.
12. San Diego (from N.Y. Giants), Shawne Merriman, lb, Maryland.
13. New Orleans (from Houston), Jammal Brown, ot, Oklahoma.
14. Carolina, Thomas Davis, db, Georgia.
15. Kansas City, Derrick Johnson, lb, Texas.
16. Houston (from New Orleans), Travis Johnson, dt, Florida State.
17. Cincinnati, David Pollack, lb, Georgia.
18. Minnesota, Erasmus James, de, Wisconsin.
19. St. Louis, Alex Barron, ot, Florida State.
20. Dallas (from Buffalo), Marcus Spears, de, LSU.
21. Jacksonville, Matt Jones, wr, Arkansas.
22. Baltimore, Mark Clayton, wr, Oklahoma.
23. Oakland (from Seattle), Fabian Washington, db, Nebraska.
24. Green Bay, Aaron Rodgers, qb, California.
25. Washington (from Denver), Jason Campbell, qb, Auburn.
26. Seattle (from N.Y. Jets through Oakland), Chris Spencer, c, Mississippi.
27. Atlanta, Roddy White, wr, UAB.
28. San Diego, Luis Castillo, dt, Northwestern.
29. Indianapolis, Marlin Jackson, db, Michigan.
30. Pittsburgh, Heath Miller, te, Virginia.
31. Philadelphia, Mike Patterson, dt, Southern Cal.
32. New England, Logan Mankins, g, Fresno State.

@"JimmyinSD" said: I hope this cant be made political... I really really hope-  I actually like this move on a number of fronts.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/some-walmart-costco-target-stores-barred-from-selling-nonessential-items/ar-BB12k907?li=BBnb7Kz
  
1.  It will make it easier for those stores to keep the areas shopped more clean by allowing them to concentrate their sanitizing efforts to less square footage.

2. It will cut down on the number of people in those stores because you can only look at produce and the meat aisle for so long.

3. It will encourage shoppers to just hit the local store instead of going across town to the big box since they cant really get much more than the necessities at either location.

Wrong thread, Jimmy?  Or is Tee Higgins in this article somewhere?  LOL

@"Wetlander" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: I hope this cant be made political... I really really hope-  I actually like this move on a number of fronts.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/some-walmart-costco-target-stores-barred-from-selling-nonessential-items/ar-BB12k907?li=BBnb7Kz
  
1.  It will make it easier for those stores to keep the areas shopped more clean by allowing them to concentrate their sanitizing efforts to less square footage.

2. It will cut down on the number of people in those stores because you can only look at produce and the meat aisle for so long.

3. It will encourage shoppers to just hit the local store instead of going across town to the big box since they cant really get much more than the necessities at either location.

Wrong thread, Jimmy?  Or is Tee Higgins in this article somewhere?  LOL

I am hoping we can keep this thread on topic about Higgins and not drag corona virus into this muck :)   

OOPS,  I will clean this up somehow.  sorry.

Ok I moved my stuff and 65s response,  sorry for dicking up a legit football thread.

Unless Higgins tests positive for the coronavirus.

Can you imagine the melt down Rodgers would have if they drafted a QB in the first round.

@"minny65" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: I hope this cant be made political... I really really hope-  I actually like this move on a number of fronts.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/some-walmart-costco-target-stores-barred-from-selling-nonessential-items/ar-BB12k907?li=BBnb7Kz
  
1.  It will make it easier for those stores to keep the areas shopped more clean by allowing them to concentrate their sanitizing efforts to less square footage.

2. It will cut down on the number of people in those stores because you can only look at produce and the meat aisle for so long.

3. It will encourage shoppers to just hit the local store instead of going across town to the big box since they cant really get much more than the necessities at either location.

Wrong thread, Jimmy?  Or is Tee Higgins in this article somewhere?  LOL

Yea I was thinking the same thing but I am also posting on both threads so got confused :)

John Travolta looking around gif ;)

@JimmyinSD

Also, @purplefaithful there's no argument otherwise. GB crushed MIN so badly in that 2005 first round that we're still paying for it 15 years later. Stinks! Let's not have that happen again... please!

@"pattersaur" said:

John Travolta looking around gif ;)

@JimmyinSD

Also, @purplefaithful there's no argument otherwise. GB crushed MIN so badly in that 2005 first round that we're still paying for it 15 years later. Stinks! Let's not have that happen again... please!

I'm sure Rogers was plenty po'ed and crestfallen not going overall #1 and to SF...West Coast kid, SF vs GB???

C'mon...

To Rogers credit he went and proved everybody wrong. GB fans got two HOF QB's in a row for like 30 years. 

@"MaroonBells" said: Not a huge fan of this mock. I like Jaylon Johnson a lot. I'd draft him before Fulton, but not Terrell. Still, that seems a bit early. Jeremiah is one of the more "connected" media scouts, and his mocks are based a lot on what he hears, so maybe the NFL does have Johnson that high. Too high for Higgins, too, IMO. Smacks too much like 2016, when we took the 4th receiver in the 23 slot (Treadwell). 

And just a painful reminder that not only was Treadwell a bust, but all three of the receivers taken ahead of him have been busts as well. Coleman, Fuller, and Doctson. If this is how it falls, I pass on Higgins and try for better value in the 2nd round. 

I agree. 25 for Higgins is a huge overreach. To me, his game, his skills, and his body translate to a Red Zone receiving threat and not an every down receiver. That fact that he was healthy and wouldn't run any drills at the combine is concerning. I have seen 40 times reported as 4.54 and 4.43. I don't trust that 4.43 being pushed out there by his handlers. On tape, he's a 4.54 guy and with his weak upper body, he will struggle at the next level just like Treadwell did. 
If we don't grab Jefferson at 22, none of the Tier 2 WR's are worthy picking at #25. If we trade down to the end of the first, or early 2nd, and use that pick on guys like Mims, Aiyuck, and Shenault while getting some additional draft capital I would like that approach much better than reaching. 
If the Eagles grab Jefferson at 21, which is a real posibility, how will that blow up everyone's draft plan for the Vikings? I have a feeling Zimmer is going to make getting a corner in the first as his top priority regardless of who is on the board just like he did with Hughes which to me was a reach at that spot with better players available. Outside of QB, RB, TE, and S, we should select the BPA with both of those first round picks since we have so many holes to fill. 

Based on who was available in DJ's mock, I would have taken Epenesa at 22, and Josh Jones at 25. Keep #58 and figure out a way to package some picks to move up into the 1st half of the second round to fill the Corner and WR positions.