A Look At Kubiak's Time In Houston Portends 2020 Offense And Draft

Link didn't take me to the article bud.

https://www.skornorth.com/2020/04/can-the-vikings-afford-to-pass-on-a-top-receiver/

Better?

I agree with conclusion but Coller's illogical hype never sits well with me.  He mentions "desperation" in the article and frequently on air.  Really?  Why would the team be desperate for a wideout?   Especially in light of the entire premise of the article!

Then he gets a PFF guy on yesterday who keeps preaching don't draft for need, then turns around and doesn't like Coller's mock draft because he didn't take a wideout.  

I would be giddy with anticipation if the Vikings landed any of the top four receivers in this draft class. But that scenario creates some concern for me.
The Vikings don't have a great draft history when it comes to first round receivers, and I believe the bust rate is higher than one would expect. Like O-linemen, receivers often don't round into form until their second year in the league.
But my biggest concern is there is greater need elsewhere.
Therefore I would rather take a receiver later in the draft in round 3 or 4. It's a strong draft class for receivers.

The Vikings definitely need an O-lineman. But once again their draft history for first round selections hasn't been great. I favor using a second round pick for a potential starting O-lineman.

CB in the first round isn't always popular here, but I think it is a critical need at this point. I also would like to see defensive lineman selected high. Either a penetrating 3 technique DT or edge rusher.

It will be interesting see what the Vikings do.

@"BarrNone55" said: https://www.skornorth.com/2020/04/can-the-vikings-afford-to-pass-on-a-top-receiver/

Better?

Thanks! Not a single mention of having a Receiver that can take the Top off of a Defense, so a very superficial analysis IMO. And Thielen is not Andre Johnson. 

I believe the author isn't comparing Johnson to Thielen other than to illuminate having a single top tier WR and role guys around him. No one in their fucking mind would make that comparison.

@"BarrNone55" said: I believe the author isn't comparing Johnson to Thielen other than to illuminate having a single top tier WR and role guys around him. No one in their fucking mind would make that comparison.

But that's superficial in that they do different things, so it's not an apples to apples comparison. If they both were WR1 who played the same way then sure. 

@"FSUVike" said:

@"BarrNone55" said: I believe the author isn't comparing Johnson to Thielen other than to illuminate having a single top tier WR and role guys around him. No one in their fucking mind would make that comparison.

But that's superficial in that they do different things, so it's not an apples to apples comparison. If they both were WR1 who played the same way then sure. 

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"FSUVike" said:

@"BarrNone55" said: I believe the author isn't comparing Johnson to Thielen other than to illuminate having a single top tier WR and role guys around him. No one in their fucking mind would make that comparison.

But that's superficial in that they do different things, so it's not an apples to apples comparison. If they both were WR1 who played the same way then sure. 

For the purposes of the article, it's inconsequential HOW they operate as a #1 WR. The idea is that in a Kubiak run offense without a 1B WR, other options are available. His personnel in Houston is similar to what we have now. 

I guess if I was beating the drum for what Kubiak ran in Denver with two 1,000 yard WRs, I would not care for this article either. 

Take a look at the stats from 2018, 2017 and 2016, and tell me who caught more balls 20+ and 40+ yards for the Vikings. I'll give you a hint, his name rhymes with Weeland.

While you're looking at stats, where was this tear the top off the D WR you see in Diggs when two of his four prior years he averaged 10 And 10.8 YPC? And the other two were a Cliff Branch-esque 13 and 13.8. 

And FFS, stop saying "so and so" agrees with my opinion when stating yours. You've been around long enough to have your opinion live and die on its own merits. 

@"BarrNone55" said: Take a look at the stats from 2018, 2017 and 2016, and tell me who caught more balls 20+ and 40+ yards for the Vikings. I'll give you a hint, his name rhymes with Weeland.

While you're looking at stats, where was this tear the top off the D WR you see in Diggs when two of his four prior years he averaged 10 And 10.8 YPC? And the other two were a Cliff Branch-esque 13 and 13.8. 

And FFS, stop saying "so and so" agrees with my opinion when stating yours. You've been around long enough to have your opinion live and die on its own merits. 

Geoff knows more than us combined. More than you, me and Maroon combined? I think the three of us could take him. Which actually sounds fun. The 3 of us vs. Guru in a Draft Contest! Winner gets my autographed Corey Chavous photo from when I nipped Wetlander in that contest. But I'll quote whomever I feel like. There are no debate rules in place here.

Now back to our regularly scheduled squabbling...

Last year you saw a true Shanahan/Kubiak inspired Offense for the first time in Diggs' tenure with Minnesota. It's a given that we will see that same Offense this year. Hopefully with a Plan B when the rushing attack is stymied. 

I don't give 2 shits what Diggs stats looked like in other Offenses he played in at Minnesota. Just like I won't give 2 shits for what his stats look like in Buffalo. Last year's stats matter because the system will finally stay the same.

And in that system Stefon was the following in passes that travelled over 20 air yards: 1st in catch rate %, 1st in yards per target, tied 1st in TDs and Cousins was 5th in QBR.

Who's replacing all that 20 yards down the field stuff? Irv? Nope. Not sure even Kelce could do that. Bisi? Nope. Adam? He can, but much like Michael Thomas that's not his forte.

The thing with run-first teams that use a lot of Play Action is that they like to take shots. San Francisco, Tennessee, and yes, Minnesota. Thielen will absolutely carry some of that load. Who else will help with the rest?

You're more up to speed on the mid-round WRs than I am, so this would be a good time to suggest some guys with wheels.

*sigh*

I give.