First four picks in the draft

I keep playing around with these mock draft simulators. Sometimes they come up with results that are quite enticing. Did this one the other day, and must say I wouldn't be too upset if it turned out as such. Added a 5th as a bonus  ;)

• 22
  
  

  Ross Blacklock
  , IDLTCU
  
• 25
  
  
  Justin Jefferson
  , WRLSU
  
• 58
  
  
  Damon Arnette
  , CBOhio State
  
• 89
  
  
  Darrell Taylor
  , EDGETennessee
  
• 105
  
  
  Ezra Cleveland
  , OTBoise State
  
• 132
  
  
  Jacob Eason
  , QBWashington
  

@"FSUVike" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

brother we laugh,  but its not because of your picks.  :p personally I dont see us ending up with 2 first rounder.  I am of the notion that with no offseason the way this is looking that the smart move will be to try and move about half these picks into next year when the coaches will have more time with the draft picks and be better equipped to know what they got for the future come cut down time.  I would like to see one of this years firsts flipped to a first for next year and a 2nd or 3rd this year,  as well as one of our 3rds this year converted to a 2nd next year.   I just think this virus thing will have teams locking players out of the facilities until mid June at the earliest and with no pre draft workouts that will really limit how much our coaches can do with the young-uns.

I'm on board with moving some picks to next year too. The Vikings just lost 1/2 the defense. The biggest turnover they've had in years. So far they've signed one guy. Some people here need to get real with their expectations. I'm not saying tank, but if the Vikings are taking a step back this year regardless, they may as well put a better foot forward for 2021. If the Vikings front office is truly thinking long-term (you'd hope so, but this is debatable), then moving a few picks to 2021 is the right move, IMO.

You just said it, though. The team has lost 10 players and added 1 so far. You trade too many picks into the future and you're mining UDFA and Veteran Cut Downs just to complete the team. 

They may move some capital to next year, but nowhere near what Jimmy is prescribing. And the reason is they have zero plan to trade up and Draft his successor. Zero. Like it or not, Kirk Cousins is the Quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings until Rick Spielman and Mike Zimmer are fired. 

Their potential new window is now 3 years. I expect them to front load the Draft this time instead of Trader Rick's usual schtick. They need at the very minimum 4 and more likely 6 new Starters from this Class. You get that by going BPA at PON with your 4 picks in the Top 89. Not by trading back to stockpile raw athletes in the late Rounds.

This is going to be a very interesting Draft. Both in terms of whom falls to when each Round but also can Rick resist loading up on late rounders when the team needs so many Starters. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"FSUVike" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

brother we laugh,  but its not because of your picks.  :p personally I dont see us ending up with 2 first rounder.  I am of the notion that with no offseason the way this is looking that the smart move will be to try and move about half these picks into next year when the coaches will have more time with the draft picks and be better equipped to know what they got for the future come cut down time.  I would like to see one of this years firsts flipped to a first for next year and a 2nd or 3rd this year,  as well as one of our 3rds this year converted to a 2nd next year.   I just think this virus thing will have teams locking players out of the facilities until mid June at the earliest and with no pre draft workouts that will really limit how much our coaches can do with the young-uns.

I'm on board with moving some picks to next year too. The Vikings just lost 1/2 the defense. The biggest turnover they've had in years. So far they've signed one guy. Some people here need to get real with their expectations. I'm not saying tank, but if the Vikings are taking a step back this year regardless, they may as well put a better foot forward for 2021. If the Vikings front office is truly thinking long-term (you'd hope so, but this is debatable), then moving a few picks to 2021 is the right move, IMO.

You just said it, though. The team has lost 10 players and added 1 so far. You trade too many picks into the future and you're mining UDFA and Veteran Cut Downs just to complete the team. 

They may move some capital to next year, but nowhere near what Jimmy is prescribing. And the reason is they have zero plan to trade up and Draft his successor. Zero. Like it or not, Kirk Cousins is the Quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings until Rick Spielman and Mike Zimmer are fired. 

Their potential new window is now 3 years. I expect them to front load the Draft this time instead of Trader Rick's usual schtick. They need at the very minimum 4 and more likely 6 new Starters from this Class. You get that by going BPA at PON with your 4 picks in the Top 89. Not by trading back to stockpile raw athletes in the late Rounds.

This is going to be a very interesting Draft. Both in terms of whom falls to when each Round but also can Rick resist loading up on late rounders when the team needs so many Starters. 

I mentioned moving 2 picks to next year, one first and one third, and the first would still likely net us a pick this year in the 2nd or 3rd ,  hardly throwing in the towel on this years draft.  I just dont see this year being a good one so unless there is some special talent at OL or DL sitting there with both of those first round picks I would rather see them moved to the future.

@"ArizonaViking" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"FSUVike" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

brother we laugh,  but its not because of your picks.  :p personally I dont see us ending up with 2 first rounder.  I am of the notion that with no offseason the way this is looking that the smart move will be to try and move about half these picks into next year when the coaches will have more time with the draft picks and be better equipped to know what they got for the future come cut down time.  I would like to see one of this years firsts flipped to a first for next year and a 2nd or 3rd this year,  as well as one of our 3rds this year converted to a 2nd next year.   I just think this virus thing will have teams locking players out of the facilities until mid June at the earliest and with no pre draft workouts that will really limit how much our coaches can do with the young-uns.

I'm on board with moving some picks to next year too. The Vikings just lost 1/2 the defense. The biggest turnover they've had in years. So far they've signed one guy. Some people here need to get real with their expectations. I'm not saying tank, but if the Vikings are taking a step back this year regardless, they may as well put a better foot forward for 2021. If the Vikings front office is truly thinking long-term (you'd hope so, but this is debatable), then moving a few picks to 2021 is the right move, IMO.

You just said it, though. The team has lost 10 players and added 1 so far. You trade too many picks into the future and you're mining UDFA and Veteran Cut Downs just to complete the team. 

They may move some capital to next year, but nowhere near what Jimmy is prescribing. And the reason is they have zero plan to trade up and Draft his successor. Zero. Like it or not, Kirk Cousins is the Quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings until Rick Spielman and Mike Zimmer are fired. 

Their potential new window is now 3 years. I expect them to front load the Draft this time instead of Trader Rick's usual schtick. They need at the very minimum 4 and more likely 6 new Starters from this Class. You get that by going BPA at PON with your 4 picks in the Top 89. Not by trading back to stockpile raw athletes in the late Rounds.

This is going to be a very interesting Draft. Both in terms of whom falls to when each Round but also can Rick resist loading up on late rounders when the team needs so many Starters. 

I mentioned moving 2 picks to next year, one first and one third, and the first would still likely net us a pick this year in the 2nd or 3rd ,  hardly throwing in the towel on this years draft.  I just dont see this year being a good one so unless there is some special talent at OL or DL sitting there with both of those first round picks I would rather see them moved to the future.

That's a thought...but according to the experts, they don't believe the Viking will have a very good season this year and with that...the Vikings will probably end up  with a high draft pick anyways.  Along with some compensatory picks too. 

Given that I think the Vikings will focus on the trenches heavily early I definitely see a scenario they try to trade up with someone like SF at #13 who would be interested in adding a few additional picks. There is a price associated with that, but then you can use #25 to trade back and recoup some of those assets and still get a strong D-lineman at the top of round 2. You could also flip-flop the D-line and O-lineman. But the idea would be to make sure you're getting at least 1 elite trench player. To play it out: 

Say that SF at #13 would be open to moving back to #22. To do that MN gives up #22, #58, and their 2021 comp 3rd (Waynes). Pitt's trade up to #10 last year had about the same valuation. 

The MN can trade back off #25 with someone like Indy who has dual 2nds. End up adding back #34 & #75. 

End result is you still have the same # of picks in the top 100 of this years draft. But you add a much more talented player like Wirfs/Thomas at OT or Derrick Brown/Kinlaw at DT. All 4 of those guys are significantly better at their given positions than the drop-off at WR or CB.  

@"Geoff Nichols" said: Given that I think the Vikings will focus on the trenches heavily early I definitely see a scenario they try to trade up with someone like SF at #13 who would be interested in adding a few additional picks. There is a price associated with that, but then you can use #25 to trade back and recoup some of those assets and still get a strong D-lineman at the top of round 2. You could also flip-flop the D-line and O-lineman. But the idea would be to make sure you're getting at least 1 elite trench player. To play it out: 

Say that SF at #13 would be open to moving back to #22. To do that MN gives up #22, #58, and their 2021 comp 3rd (Waynes). Pitt's trade up to #10 last year had about the same valuation. 

The MN can trade back off #25 with someone like Indy who has dual 2nds. End up adding back #34 & #75. 

End result is you still have the same # of picks in the top 100 of this years draft. But you add a much more talented player like Wirfs/Thomas at OT or Derrick Brown/Kinlaw at DT. All 4 of those guys are significantly better at their given positions than the drop-off at WR or CB.  

@"FSUVike" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

brother we laugh,  but its not because of your picks.  :p personally I dont see us ending up with 2 first rounder.  I am of the notion that with no offseason the way this is looking that the smart move will be to try and move about half these picks into next year when the coaches will have more time with the draft picks and be better equipped to know what they got for the future come cut down time.  I would like to see one of this years firsts flipped to a first for next year and a 2nd or 3rd this year,  as well as one of our 3rds this year converted to a 2nd next year.   I just think this virus thing will have teams locking players out of the facilities until mid June at the earliest and with no pre draft workouts that will really limit how much our coaches can do with the young-uns.

I'm on board with moving some picks to next year too. The Vikings just lost 1/2 the defense. The biggest turnover they've had in years. So far they've signed one guy. Some people here need to get real with their expectations. I'm not saying tank, but if the Vikings are taking a step back this year regardless, they may as well put a better foot forward for 2021. If the Vikings front office is truly thinking long-term (you'd hope so, but this is debatable), then moving a few picks to 2021 is the right move, IMO.

You just said it, though. The team has lost 10 players and added 1 so far. You trade too many picks into the future and you're mining UDFA and Veteran Cut Downs just to complete the team. 

They may move some capital to next year, but nowhere near what Jimmy is prescribing. And the reason is they have zero plan to trade up and Draft his successor. Zero. Like it or not, Kirk Cousins is the Quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings until Rick Spielman and Mike Zimmer are fired. 

Their potential new window is now 3 years. I expect them to front load the Draft this time instead of Trader Rick's usual schtick. They need at the very minimum 4 and more likely 6 new Starters from this Class. You get that by going BPA at PON with your 4 picks in the Top 89. Not by trading back to stockpile raw athletes in the late Rounds.

This is going to be a very interesting Draft. Both in terms of whom falls to when each Round but also can Rick resist loading up on late rounders when the team needs so many Starters. 

There is alot of projectable talent in the 2nd and 3rd rounds in this draft.  I am hoping Love is there at 22 so we can trade back.  the other first needs to be an immediate starter so most likely S or OL.  

I am out on tank suggestions, this is the roster you built, coach their asses up and lets effing go, no excuses 

@"Bullazin" said: There is alot of projectable talent in the 2nd and 3rd rounds in this draft.  I am hoping Love is there at 22 so we can trade back.  the other first needs to be an immediate starter so most likely S or OL.  

I am out on tank suggestions, this is the roster you built, coach their asses up and lets effing go, no excuses 

@"Bullazin" said: There is alot of projectable talent in the 2nd and 3rd rounds in this draft.  I am hoping Love is there at 22 so we can trade back.  the other first needs to be an immediate starter so most likely S or OL.  

I am out on tank suggestions, this is the roster you built, coach their asses up and lets effing go, no excuses 

I do agree with the sentiment of the thread that the Vikings need to find 4+ starters from the draft. Some of those guys may not be long term starters, but maybe some high floor low ceilings guys that can be plugged in. Basically, the Gedeon type players who don't really have a future, but can hold the fort until we develop better players. Though maybe they can try to find some low to mid level vets to fill the immediate needs while they try to develop higher ceiling prospects. Though I assume that not wanting to lose compensation picks will be part of who they sign.

I get it i guess. allocating to next year is not really tanking, i just hate to think we are not 100 in on this year. 

@"Bullazin" said: I get it i guess. allocating to next year is not really tanking, i just hate to think we are not 100 in on this year. 

@"Bullazin" said: I get it i guess. allocating to next year is not really tanking, i just hate to think we are not 100 in on this year. 

@"Bullazin" said: Round 3 Pick 25: Ben Bartch, OT, St. John's (B)

Is Bartch really a possibility in the 3rd?? Feels like that would be a big gamble.

IDK tbh. That draft wasnt too realistic actually, i was just bored being in the house for 10 days straight and picked players i like.  Lamb is prolly top 10 lock and many other of my picks will go quite a bit higher. 

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

Like Claypool as an "X" receiver in Kubiak's offense but like Maroon mentioned, he has a TE feel to him. Pittman is the guy I really like in this offense. 

IMO Vikings would be lucky if either or both were still around in the 3rd. If they had the choice, how much would preference for the college factor? I don't think GMs and scouts like to admit they have any such bias, but Spielman used to have a clear affection for Notre Dame players, maybe that is now faded. The Vikings have had good luck with USC players, too.

@"Jor-El" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

Like Claypool as an "X" receiver in Kubiak's offense but like Maroon mentioned, he has a TE feel to him. Pittman is the guy I really like in this offense. 

Claypool and Pittman seem like very parallel WR prospects. I'm kind of bemused by the perception of Claypool having "a TE feel", especially if comparing him to Pittman. These guys are both big WRs, both excellent blocking receivers...but Claypool had higher YPC and TD ratio, and his 40, broad, and vertical were better...but since he weighs 238 instead of 223, he's going to grow into TE? Calvin Johnson carried 239 at the combine, I don't recall him sliding to TE.

IMO Vikings would be lucky if either or both were still around in the 3rd. If they had the choice, how much would preference for the college factor? I don't think GMs and scouts like to admit they have any such bias, but Spielman used to have a clear affection for Notre Dame players, maybe that is now faded. The Vikings have had good luck with USC players, too.

i like Jalen Reagor as a sleeper. He doesnt have the size of the other top wideouts but he is strong and explosive on tape. 

@"Geoff Nichols" said: Given that I think the Vikings will focus on the trenches heavily early I definitely see a scenario they try to trade up with someone like SF at #13 who would be interested in adding a few additional picks. There is a price associated with that, but then you can use #25 to trade back and recoup some of those assets and still get a strong D-lineman at the top of round 2. You could also flip-flop the D-line and O-lineman. But the idea would be to make sure you're getting at least 1 elite trench player. To play it out: 

Say that SF at #13 would be open to moving back to #22. To do that MN gives up #22, #58, and their 2021 comp 3rd (Waynes). Pitt's trade up to #10 last year had about the same valuation. 

The MN can trade back off #25 with someone like Indy who has dual 2nds. End up adding back #34 & #75. 

End result is you still have the same # of picks in the top 100 of this years draft. But you add a much more talented player like Wirfs/Thomas at OT or Derrick Brown/Kinlaw at DT. All 4 of those guys are significantly better at their given positions than the drop-off at WR or CB.  

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mockdraft/

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Brown, Jackson, and Cushenbery certainly beefs up the trenches.  Cushenberry is believed to be able to play guard and won the right to wear #18 at LSU due to his outstanding leadership.  I think the Vikings like those kind of players.

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"Jor-El" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

Like Claypool as an "X" receiver in Kubiak's offense but like Maroon mentioned, he has a TE feel to him. Pittman is the guy I really like in this offense. 

Claypool and Pittman seem like very parallel WR prospects. I'm kind of bemused by the perception of Claypool having "a TE feel", especially if comparing him to Pittman. These guys are both big WRs, both excellent blocking receivers...but Claypool had higher YPC and TD ratio, and his 40, broad, and vertical were better...but since he weighs 238 instead of 223, he's going to grow into TE? Calvin Johnson carried 239 at the combine, I don't recall him sliding to TE.

IMO Vikings would be lucky if either or both were still around in the 3rd. If they had the choice, how much would preference for the college factor? I don't think GMs and scouts like to admit they have any such bias, but Spielman used to have a clear affection for Notre Dame players, maybe that is now faded. The Vikings have had good luck with USC players, too.

The way they play is very different on tape although I see how you come to the similarities based on how they grade athletically. Claypool is a great size/speed athlete but he has a lot more stiffness than Pittman and doesn't track the ball down the field nearly as well. Which kind of gets you back to the TE "feel". If you want someone who will work well within 15-20 yards of the LOS Claypool uses leverage better. If you want a guy who can take the top off with his size and pluck the ball, Pittman is a better option.