So... CB talk

Zero value. Just because he's available doesn't mean he needs to be considered. A bottom 5 CB should not be on this team's roster and I would rather take my chances with a rookie.

Rhodes is like a ghost.....is anyone looking at him? Has his play fallen that far off the table?

Pass. His good days have past him by. Not even a good backup at this point.

he played decent at times last year,  his skills have eroded some,  but his biggest issues were between his ears IMO.

If he could be returned on the cheap. Yes I don't see any problem.
Let him test his worth and then see where his side is at.
Either way we are going to be drafting this position.

Depends on price but I wouldn't 100% write it off. But if you poll some personnel guys around the league... he dropped off dramatically. Lots of hesitation to give him much of a deal elsewhere. 

@"Geoff Nichols" said: Depends on price but I wouldn't 100% write it off. But if you poll some personnel guys around the league... he dropped off dramatically. Lots of hesitation to give him much of a deal elsewhere. 

theres no question his performance declined biggly (thats just a fun word isnt it?) anywho,  do they think its a physical thing or a mental issue?   I am guessing that they must think its more physical since most coaches think they can fix mental issues.

@"StickyBun" said: Rhodes is like a ghost.....is anyone looking at him? Has his play fallen that far off the table?

@"StickyBun" said: Rhodes is like a ghost.....is anyone looking at him? Has his play fallen that far off the table?

His decline started in 2018 and Zimmer gambled on his return to form last year. It didn't pay off. If the financial hit isn't horrible they should try to trade him, then cut him if they get no takers. Maybe Rick could get one of those precious 7th round picks for him, or a ham sandwich!

@"jargomcfargo" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Rhodes is like a ghost.....is anyone looking at him? Has his play fallen that far off the table?

@"StickyBun" said: Rhodes is like a ghost.....is anyone looking at him? Has his play fallen that far off the table?

His decline started in 2018 and Zimmer gambled on his return to form last year. It didn't pay off. If the financial hit isn't horrible they should try to trade him, then cut him if they get no takers. Maybe Rick could get one of those precious 7th round picks for him, or a ham sandwich!

We might be forced to keep Ant-man.  If we could get a reasonable, back-loaded deal... maybe?
Obviously our CBs (this year) aren't going to be taking up much of our salary cap... so maybe we can afford to keep Ant (at least for 1 year)?

@"jargomcfargo" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Rhodes is like a ghost.....is anyone looking at him? Has his play fallen that far off the table?

@"StickyBun" said: Rhodes is like a ghost.....is anyone looking at him? Has his play fallen that far off the table?

His decline started in 2018 and Zimmer gambled on his return to form last year. It didn't pay off. If the financial hit isn't horrible they should try to trade him, then cut him if they get no takers. Maybe Rick could get one of those precious 7th round picks for him, or a ham sandwich!

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: Depends on price but I wouldn't 100% write it off. But if you poll some personnel guys around the league... he dropped off dramatically. Lots of hesitation to give him much of a deal elsewhere. 

theres no question his performance declined biggly (thats just a fun word isnt it?) anywho,  do they think its a physical thing or a mental issue?   I am guessing that they must think its more physical since most coaches think they can fix mental issues.

It’s 100% physical at its core. Perhaps he’s developed confidence issues but it stems from physical. He was routinely in good position and still showing his excellent instincts to make a play but was too slow to get there. 
For about two years now I’ve noticed he has considerably slowed in his transition, struggling mightily to flip his hips with any sort of speed and fluidity. When he was at his best he was quicker and it made the difference between shutting guys down and his current play.

I’m trying to remember when it started, but it seems like it was 2018. He had a groin injury and a hernia. Somewhere in there he appeared to me to have lost that fluidity all corners need at the NFL level. Without finding a way to heal or fix this issue, I think his career may be over.

@"pumpf" said: We might be forced to keep Ant-man.  If we could get a reasonable, back-loaded deal... maybe? Obviously our CBs (this year) aren't going to be taking up much of our salary cap... so maybe we can afford to keep Ant (at least for 1 year)?

Plus, having good safety play can cover for the CB play being a work in progress.

@"Havoc1649" said: It’s 100% physical at its core. Perhaps he’s developed confidence issues but it stems from physical. He was routinely in good position and still showing his excellent instincts to make a play but was too slow to get there. 

For about two years now I’ve noticed he has considerably slowed in his transition, struggling mightily to flip his hips with any sort of speed and fluidity. When he was at his best he was quicker and it made the difference between shutting guys down and his current play.

I’m trying to remember when it started, but it seems like it was 2018. He had a groin injury and a hernia. Somewhere in there he appeared to me to have lost that fluidity all corners need at the NFL level. Without finding a way to heal or fix this issue, I think his career may be over.

the tight hips wont be as big of an issue if Zim goes more zone though.  I had noticed the lack of fluidity in his transition as well and attributed it to the injuries in 18 and last year it looked like he really bulked up and that without a lot of stretching and other work will tighten those hips up as well.  I think he was not in good football shape last year for a DB that needs to rely on quick lower body reaction.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"jargomcfargo" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Rhodes is like a ghost.....is anyone looking at him? Has his play fallen that far off the table?

@"StickyBun" said: Rhodes is like a ghost.....is anyone looking at him? Has his play fallen that far off the table?

His decline started in 2018 and Zimmer gambled on his return to form last year. It didn't pay off. If the financial hit isn't horrible they should try to trade him, then cut him if they get no takers. Maybe Rick could get one of those precious 7th round picks for him, or a ham sandwich!

Rhodes was cut already, brother.

I see his future as XFL 2021.

Rhodes struggled in Zone going all the way back to his FSU days. And he struggled in it last year. A Tier 3 FA, which they can still afford, who's coming out of a Zone system would make more sense.  Or a Slot CB since there technically isn't one on the Roster currently. 

How much are we a zone system because of Zimmer's current preference, and how much because of personnel limitations?

@"medaille" said: How much are we a zone system because of Zimmer's current preference, and how much because of personnel limitations?

I'm sure it's a combination but the team can't afford a lock down Man CB and you can't really hand that role to a Rookie unless it's Okuda or maybe Henderson.