Good bye to Mac, signs with Cincy

So we're drafting cornerback again. Oh joy.

Zimmer the CB Whisperer:  Not.

Zimmer believed by his Players:  Meh.

I was hoping that we would be able to keep, because I think he is a good player and really took a step forward last year. However, he's always wanted to play on the outside (not sure if Cincy is giving him that opportunity) and more importantly the Vikings mismanaged him last year. His knee was hurting at the end of the season, but they made him play a full meaningless game against the Bears and he ended up hurting his knee worse and missing the playoffs, which certainly didn't help him or the team. I'm surprised he took such a low offer, but I wonder if teams were bothered about his injury and he's betting on himself with a 1-year deal. I wish him success and I think it's a case where the Vikings could have handled this situation a lot better. Now we need to add two quality corners. I'm sure one will be a high draft pick, but I really hope that they can add a solid vet in FA to give some sort of stability in that unit.

The guy for whatever reason didnt want to be here, and wasnt “cryptic” about it in tweets or anything like that.  Im not sure why he was all butt hurt, but he made it very clear he didnt want to play for the Vikings.

Well.........BYE

@"Vanguard83" said: The guy for whatever reason didnt want to be here, and wasnt “cryptic” about it in tweets or anything like that.  Im not sure why he was all butt hurt, but he made it very clear he didnt want to play for the Vikings.

Well.........BYE

Either the HC's act is wearing thin or the FO is doing a shitty job of identifying the right personality traits in the prospects they draft.

@"StickyBun" said:

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Half the homies are gone. Sad.

@"FSUVike" said:

@"Vanguard83" said: The guy for whatever reason didnt want to be here, and wasnt “cryptic” about it in tweets or anything like that.  Im not sure why he was all butt hurt, but he made it very clear he didnt want to play for the Vikings.

Well.........BYE

How many players does that make in this offseason alone that no longer want to play for this franchise?

Either the HC's act is wearing thin or the FO is doing a shitty job of identifying the right personality traits in the prospects they draft.

@"FSUVike" said:

@"Vanguard83" said: The guy for whatever reason didnt want to be here, and wasnt “cryptic” about it in tweets or anything like that.  Im not sure why he was all butt hurt, but he made it very clear he didnt want to play for the Vikings.

Well.........BYE

How many players does that make in this offseason alone that no longer want to play for this franchise?

Either the HC's act is wearing thin or the FO is doing a shitty job of identifying the right personality traits in the prospects they draft.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"FSUVike" said:

@"Vanguard83" said: The guy for whatever reason didnt want to be here, and wasnt “cryptic” about it in tweets or anything like that.  Im not sure why he was all butt hurt, but he made it very clear he didnt want to play for the Vikings.

Well.........BYE

How many players does that make in this offseason alone that no longer want to play for this franchise?

Either the HC's act is wearing thin or the FO is doing a shitty job of identifying the right personality traits in the prospects they draft.

this is where my thoughts are heading too.  all we have heard for years now is how much the players love and respect Zim,  that his approach is fine based on his relationship with past players,  where is that love now?  We are not losing offensive guys and kickers that he has always not give a shit about,   these  are his guys that are saying they want to move on,  if Griff leaves as well.... at  what point do we start wondering about out organization and its coaches and GM... or is it just our coaches and GM have a plan and are willing (finally ) to make the tough decisions and move forward with new people?

haven't you guys seen enough of these threads where we jump to conclusions without all of the information?

@"BlackMagic7" said: haven't you guys seen enough of these threads where we jump to conclusions without all of the information?

players. come. players go

@"prairieghost" said: Well, this to me means we have to keep Ant. How can we not? 

@"FSUVike" said:

How many players does that make in this offseason alone that no longer want to play for this franchise?

Either the HC's act is wearing thin or the FO is doing a shitty job of identifying the right personality traits in the prospects they draft.

Jayron Kearse...  who was upset because he thought he deserved more playing time.  But did he really deserve to start over Harris the past two season?  Nope.

Mac Alexander...  I don't know for sure why he was upset, but I'm speculating it was because he thought he should be an outside CB instead of playing primarily in the slot.  I liken his situation to Munnerlyn when he came here...  if you remember Munnerlyn played on the outside for Carolina, but had to move inside when he came here.  There were growing pains and it took a full season and the following off-season until he finally bought in.  Same thing happened with Alexander, but the difference is that I think he is still young enough to get PAID and probably wants a shot outside.

Stefon Diggs...  obviously he wanted out and got his wish.  I'm not sure what the reason is (the following is PURE speculation)...  maybe after the Minnesota Miracle and signing a big contract, he thought the endorsement deals would be coming and they never did?  Maybe his star would start shining brighter?  Let's face it, he is sharing the spotlight with Thielen.  Then in 2018, it was Thielen who tied an NFL record for most 100 yard games to start a season...  meanwhile Diggs had a bunch of catches and a very good season, but it wasn't his name dominating the headlines in Minnesota.  That seems to be the time when Diggs started having "issues" and trade speculation popped up during the off-season.

So we have a backup safety that was sitting behind two All-Pro safeties that was unhappy...  a young CB that didn't like playing in the slot...  and a young, stud WR that wanted out.  I guess I'm not ready to say Zim is the issue when leaders on the team like Harrison Smith, Rudy, Thielen, Everson, etc. all say they love him as a coach.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"FSUVike" said:

@"Vanguard83" said: The guy for whatever reason didnt want to be here, and wasnt “cryptic” about it in tweets or anything like that.  Im not sure why he was all butt hurt, but he made it very clear he didnt want to play for the Vikings.

Well.........BYE

How many players does that make in this offseason alone that no longer want to play for this franchise?

Either the HC's act is wearing thin or the FO is doing a shitty job of identifying the right personality traits in the prospects they draft.

this is where my thoughts are heading too.  all we have heard for years now is how much the players love and respect Zim,  that his approach is fine based on his relationship with past players,  where is that love now?  We are not losing offensive guys and kickers that he has always not give a shit about,   these  are his guys that are saying they want to move on,  if Griff leaves as well.... at  what point do we start wondering about out organization and its coaches and GM... or is it just our coaches and GM have a plan and are willing (finally ) to make the tough decisions and move forward with new people?

I don't care if it was three 7th Round guys on the PS. It's still 3 younger guys in a single offseason. It's legit to wonder if an aging, hard-ass coach who is not Belicheat and has a penchant for calling out players in the media is having trouble connecting with some of his youngest, brashest players. Guru admitted it's possible in another thread. Many great players are full of bluster and swagger. If Mike can't get along with them it limits the talent pool available to the team.

@"FSUVike" said: I don't care if it was three 7th Round guys on the PS. It's still 3 younger guys in a single offseason. It's legit to wonder if an aging, hard-ass coach who is not Belicheat and has a penchant for calling out players in the media is having trouble connecting with some of his youngest, brashest players. Guru admitted it's possible in another thread. Many great players are full of bluster and swagger. If Mike can't get along with them it limits the talent pool available to the team.

Won't be a good look if the Vikes shit the bed and win 6 or 7 games this season. Big challenge upcoming with many young vets cut or leaving. 

We're talking bout human personalities, human interaction...Complex, fuzzy, gray stuff. 

I agree its debatable as Sticky points out. But there's also lots of younger players on this team who are doing quite well. Cook, Matson, Kendricks, Hunter, O'Neil etc..

Might we consider pointing a finger @ Gray and not Zimsu???

We also have the broader discussion as to how this org (not just Zimmer) has handled younger, mercurial receivers. I think there have been some cultural divides there too.

But lets remind ourselves that Moss (unlike Diggs) did not want to be traded - that was all on the bastard Red McCombs and Gary (the ax) Woods.

@"purplefaithful" said: We're talking bout human personalities, human interaction...Complex, fuzzy, gray stuff. 

I agree its debatable as Sticky points out. But there's also lots of younger players on this team who are doing quite well. Cook, Matson, Kendricks, Hunter, O'Neil etc..

Might we consider pointing a finger @ Gray and not Zimsu???

We also have the broader discussion as to how this org (not just Zimmer) has handled younger, mercurial receivers. I think there have been some cultural divides there too.

But lets remind ourselves that Moss (unlike Diggs) did not want to be traded - that was all on the bastard Red McCombs and Gary (the ax) Woods.

We talk seemingly every year about how there are games when Minnesota comes out flat as a pancake. Could it be because there aren't a lot of Rah Rah guys on the team and the ones who are generally don't seem to vibe well with the Coach?

Just something to think about to distract from not having much mullah left to sign anybody. Draft can't get here soon enough!