Payton/Saints will move forward with Hill over Bridgewater
Jay Glazer of FOX Sports reported today that Saints coach Sean Payton believes that Hill is ready to become the Saints’ franchise quarterback as soon as Brees retires.
Since this is Glazer, I believe it. I think it says a lot about Teddy, IMO. He's beloved from a person standpoint, a lot less so from a NFL QB standpoint.
@"StickyBun" said: Jay Glazer of FOX Sports reported today that Saints coach Sean Payton believes that Hill is ready to become the Saints’ franchise quarterback as soon as Brees retires.Read more: http://vikinghorn.proboards.com/thread/11041/taysom-teddy#ixzz6CQTnakiW
Since this is Glazer, I believe it. I think it says a lot about Teddy, IMO. He's beloved from a person standpoint, a lot less so from a NFL QB standpoint.
I don't think it says anything about anyone. I think if this is even true, which I doubt, then it's more about smoke and maneuvering than anything else. Hill is a RFA (read: tied to a draft pick). So talking him up is in their best interest. What's more, there's no possible way to keep Bridgewater and Brees. So if Brees decides he wants to come back, they HAVE TO let Bridgewater go. Zero choice. Another reason to talk up Hill.
Sure, it's possible that the Saints are ready to change their entire offense and play run and shoot. The NFL does seem to be trending that way. But keep in mind a couple of things. Hill isn't young. He's the same age as RGIII. Didn't play a single game where he completed more than ONE pass. And when Brees went down, the QB who came in and won 5 games for the Saints was Bridgewater, not Hill. But suddenly Hill is their QBOTF? Man, I hope so.
I hope it's true. They can become irrelevant again. Watch Teddy go somewhere else when they think he stays and then Brees retires. I would totally laugh my ass off. A bunch of fans were saying on Twitter that they want him over Brees. A few gadget plays and they have a QB. Yeah right whatever.
If I'm the Dolphins, I take a hard run a Teddy and use those 3 firsts to build an offense around him...
@"BarrNone55" said: If I'm the Dolphins, I take a hard run a Teddy and use those 3 firsts to build an offense around him...That wouldn't be my tactic. Not sure what Teddy brings that Fitzpatrick doesn't. Draft a QB. Its not like you'd stop building an offense for any QB. What it comes down to is how an organization feels about Bridgewater. You might be right, that could be what they do. And I wouldn't bag on it. I just think IF the Saints aren't enamored enough with Teddy to keep him, that says something. Maybe the Glazer story is planted or just false. But that's not usually the deal with Jay Glazer.
I'm very interested to see how it all goes down.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"StickyBun" said: Jay Glazer of FOX Sports reported today that Saints coach Sean Payton believes that Hill is ready to become the Saints’ franchise quarterback as soon as Brees retires.Read more: http://vikinghorn.proboards.com/thread/11041/taysom-teddy#ixzz6CQTnakiW
Since this is Glazer, I believe it. I think it says a lot about Teddy, IMO. He's beloved from a person standpoint, a lot less so from a NFL QB standpoint.
I don't think it says anything about anyone. I think if this is even true, which I doubt, then it's more about smoke and maneuvering than anything else. Hill is a RFA (read: tied to a draft pick). So talking him up is in their best interest. What's more, there's no possible way to keep Bridgewater and Brees. So if Brees decides he wants to come back, they HAVE TO let Bridgewater go. Zero choice. Another reason to talk up Hill.Sure, it's possible that the Saints are ready to change their entire offense and play run and shoot. The NFL does seem to be trending that way. But keep in mind a couple of things. Hill isn't young. He's the same age as RGIII. Didn't play a single game where he completed more than ONE pass. And when Brees went down, the QB who came in and won 5 games for the Saints was Bridgewater, not Hill. But suddenly Hill is their QBOTF? Man, I hope so.
I think this is the correct answer. I think they know Brees is coming back for a
year, and that Teddy is going to need to get a starting job and a starting
salary somewhere. They can keep Hill
around for another year for a manageable cap amount.
@"StickyBun" said:@"BarrNone55" said: If I'm the Dolphins, I take a hard run a Teddy and use those 3 firsts to build an offense around him... That wouldn't be my tactic. Not sure what Teddy brings that Fitzpatrick doesn't. Draft a QB. Its not like you'd stop building an offense for any QB. What it comes down to is how an organization feels about Bridgewater. You might be right, that could be what they do. And I wouldn't bag on it. I just think IF the Saints aren't enamored enough with Teddy to keep him, that says something. Maybe the Glazer story is planted or just false. But that's not usually the deal with Jay Glazer.I'm very interested to see how it all goes down.
All it says is that the Saints can't afford Brees and Bridgewater together. They just can't. Even if Brees retires, his cap hit in 2020 is $21M. Saints can't pay that and give Bridgewater the contract that he's going to command. Because of kicking the can down the road with Brees they've put themselves in a position where they have only one choice: If Brees is going to cost you $21M whether he plays or not, you might as well let him play.
I don't think that Taysom Hill is a franchise QB if you apply the normal definition. I think the Saints picture more of a dual QB situation which very well may include Bridgewater. They negate Hill's swiss-army knife versatility when he is solely the QB. You need another guy for him to play off of.
The moral of any story about Teddy Bridgewater is you better not say anything bad about his abilities.
I can't wait for him to get a chance to play a full season and shows one way or another how good he is or could become.
@"Geoff Nichols" said: I don't think that Taysom Hill is a franchise QB if you apply the normal definition. I think the Saints picture more of a dual QB situation which very well may include Bridgewater. They negate Hill's swiss-army knife versatility when he is solely the QB. You need another guy for him to play off of.Don't know how that can happen. Again, if I'm reading their salary structure right, Brees cap hit whether he plays or not is at least $21M. How do you absorb that and pay Teddy the kind of contract that he will almost certainly command on the open market? Maybe there's something I'm not considering, but if you're Teddy I think you just won the lottery.
By choosing the backup job in New Orleans over the starting job in Miami, he was able to put 5 games of good football on film, show the league that this 27 year old former Pro Bowl and Rookie of the Year QB is once again healthy in a year when there are at least 10 teams looking for an answer at QB.
@"MarkSP18" said: The moral of any story about Teddy Bridgewater is you better not say anything bad about his abilities.I can't wait for him to get a chance to play a full season and shows one way or another how good he is or could become.
Agreed. I think we all like Teddy here, I'm just not as high on him as a potential starter as some others. Its all good.
@"MarkSP18" said: The moral of any story about Teddy Bridgewater is you better not say anything bad about his abilities.I can't wait for him to get a chance to play a full season and shows one way or another how good he is or could become.
Well he was 5-0 this year as a starter and in case you missed it, he did start an entire season and was 11-5, won the division and was a fluke missed FG from winning a playoff game, so I am pretty sure he has already proven himself and that will show when a team signs him to be their starter soon.
In regards to the Saints, just another sign of what garbage the franchise is. I am sure they talked to him about taking over for Brees which was a factor in him choosing to stay there. I look forward to seeing them play Mr. Gadget. Coming in and surprising the defense a play or two a game is much different than having a team game plan around you.
13 career pass attempts and Hill turns 30 in August.
This idea/plan makes no sense to me. Seems like complete BS.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HillTa00.htm
@"MaroonBells" said:@"Geoff Nichols" said: I don't think that Taysom Hill is a franchise QB if you apply the normal definition. I think the Saints picture more of a dual QB situation which very well may include Bridgewater. They negate Hill's swiss-army knife versatility when he is solely the QB. You need another guy for him to play off of. Don't know how that can happen. Again, if I'm reading their salary structure right, Brees cap hit whether he plays or not is at least $21M. How do you absorb that and pay Teddy the kind of contract that he will almost certainly command on the open market? Maybe there's something I'm not considering, but if you're Teddy I think you just won the lottery.By choosing the backup job in New Orleans over the starting job in Miami, he was able to put 5 games of good football on film, show the league that this 27 year old former Pro Bowl and Rookie of the Year QB is once again healthy in a year when there are at least 10 teams looking for an answer at QB.
The Saints are not afraid to kick money down the road on their key players so they can still open up some significant space through bonus restructures and voidable years. They also have about $70M coming off the books in 2021 even though they'll need to sign Kamara (trade candidate) and Rankins. They still should be really motivated them to move some money into 2021. They also could resign Bridgewater on a short-term deal with 2 voidable years to lower the cap hit to about $5M in 2020 while still paying him market rate. Cap manipulation at its finest.
@"Geoff Nichols" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"Geoff Nichols" said: I don't think that Taysom Hill is a franchise QB if you apply the normal definition. I think the Saints picture more of a dual QB situation which very well may include Bridgewater. They negate Hill's swiss-army knife versatility when he is solely the QB. You need another guy for him to play off of. Don't know how that can happen. Again, if I'm reading their salary structure right, Brees cap hit whether he plays or not is at least $21M. How do you absorb that and pay Teddy the kind of contract that he will almost certainly command on the open market? Maybe there's something I'm not considering, but if you're Teddy I think you just won the lottery.By choosing the backup job in New Orleans over the starting job in Miami, he was able to put 5 games of good football on film, show the league that this 27 year old former Pro Bowl and Rookie of the Year QB is once again healthy in a year when there are at least 10 teams looking for an answer at QB.
The Saints are not afraid to kick money down the road on their key players so they can still open up some significant space through bonus restructures and voidable years. They also have about $70M coming off the books in 2021 even though they'll need to sign Kamara (trade candidate) and Rankins. They still should be really motivated them to move some money into 2021. They also could resign Bridgewater on a short-term deal with 2 voidable years to lower the cap hit to about $5M in 2020 while still paying him market rate. Cap manipulation at its finest.
Maybe Teddy Bridgewater really is a sweet innocent man-child like some of his fans believe - because if he agrees to sit behind Brees for another year, he's naive and it's going to cost his career. By staying with the Saints in 2019, he proved his knee was recovered and he can play - a year ago, teams may have doubted both and so maybe he didn't receive great offers. But what does he show the league by sitting behind Brees (with the sideshow of Hill) in 2020? That he's afraid his body can't hold up for 16 games, or that he doesn't feel he can produce on a team without great offensive weapons? Or that he believes Sean Payton's BS??Step up, Teddy, take the wheel somewhere. A quarterback gets too close to 30 and everyone starts believing he's a career backup.
@"Jor-El" said:@"Geoff Nichols" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"Geoff Nichols" said: I don't think that Taysom Hill is a franchise QB if you apply the normal definition. I think the Saints picture more of a dual QB situation which very well may include Bridgewater. They negate Hill's swiss-army knife versatility when he is solely the QB. You need another guy for him to play off of. Don't know how that can happen. Again, if I'm reading their salary structure right, Brees cap hit whether he plays or not is at least $21M. How do you absorb that and pay Teddy the kind of contract that he will almost certainly command on the open market? Maybe there's something I'm not considering, but if you're Teddy I think you just won the lottery.By choosing the backup job in New Orleans over the starting job in Miami, he was able to put 5 games of good football on film, show the league that this 27 year old former Pro Bowl and Rookie of the Year QB is once again healthy in a year when there are at least 10 teams looking for an answer at QB.
The Saints are not afraid to kick money down the road on their key players so they can still open up some significant space through bonus restructures and voidable years. They also have about $70M coming off the books in 2021 even though they'll need to sign Kamara (trade candidate) and Rankins. They still should be really motivated them to move some money into 2021. They also could resign Bridgewater on a short-term deal with 2 voidable years to lower the cap hit to about $5M in 2020 while still paying him market rate. Cap manipulation at its finest.
Maybe Teddy Bridgewater really is a sweet innocent man-child like some of his fans believe - because if he agrees to sit behind Brees for another year, he's naive and it's going to cost his career. By staying with the Saints in 2019, he proved his knee was recovered and he can play - a year ago, teams may have doubted both and so maybe he didn't receive great offers. But what does he show the league by sitting behind Brees (with the sideshow of Hill) in 2020? That he's afraid his body can't hold up for 16 games, or that he doesn't feel he can produce on a team without great offensive weapons? Or that he believes Sean Payton's BS??Step up, Teddy, take the wheel somewhere. A quarterback gets too close to 30 and everyone starts believing he's a career backup.
Teddy will not be on the Saints in 2020. It's about as close to impossible as impossible gets.
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