Vikings coordinators
Are the Vikings waiting for the Super Bowl to play out to pilfer a coordinator from one of the remaining teams?
Andre Patterson is easily the most qualified internal candidate to take over as DC, but a lot of buzz out there that he wouldn't want it. That he loves coaching his line and that's all he wants to do. Internally, Adam Zimmer might be the only option. Which brings up the nepotism issue, which might be OK for one job, but both coordinators? Nepotism actually concerns me less than the idea of Zimmer getting the perfect yes man in his son, when what he might need most is someone to challenge him, offer new ideas.
On the offensive side, the internal options are Rick Dennison, who has several years experience as a coordinator, none of which were particularly successful, and Klint Kubiak, son of Gary. #1 priority for the offense is continuity. You absolutely don't want Cousins and company learning a new offense in '20. I don't know of too many ways you keep that going outside of promoting Klint.
“A gentleman is someone who can play the accordion, but doesn't." - Tom Waits
It's going to be hard to address the coordinator positions until Rick and/or Zim get extended. I'm wondering if that shoe has to drop first before anything happens.
JMO, but I don't care when it happens. There's no rush. Who knows the reason, but there must be A reason for it.
Here's a candidate. Thanks, Jon.
https://sports.yahoo.com/jon-gruden-reportedly-fires-defensive-line-coach-brentson-buckner-in-stunning-move-203121852.html
You wanna really stir shit up hire Wade Phillips, I would love that move personally. No clue on the offense but Mike McCoy needs a job. Just wild speculation
@"Bullazin" said: You wanna really stir shit up hire Wade Phillips, I would love that move personally. No clue on the offense but Mike McCoy needs a job. Just wild speculationWade Phillips would certainly be interesting... he fits the profile of a Zimmer hire. Former HC, been around the game a long time, and has had success with other teams. He is a guy who could bring a new perspective to the defensive room. I think a lot depends on if Zimmer thinks new concepts are needed to tweak his defense or if personnel is the main culprit.
@"Bullazin" said: You wanna really stir shit up hire Wade Phillips, I would love that move personally. No clue on the offense but Mike McCoy needs a job. Just wild speculationOne thing is for certain if you hire Wade...Barr would be worth his contract...
I like the Wade Phillips option a lot. I think Zimmer has had a slightly better
defensive track record, but I think there’s a lot of advantages to bringing in
a guy that can be the man. I think as
long as Zimmer is owning the defense rather than the whole team, we’re going to
be missing that something that comes with having a true head coach and a true DC. I do think there’s something in our Zimmer/Edwards
lead defense that isn’t quite there. I
think our defense is missing the attacking nature that it once had. I think it used to take on Zimmer’s fiery tone,
but he’s had to mellow it down as he transitioned to a more true HC as the
offense struggled. I don’t know too much
about Phillips demeanor, but I think it would be advantageous if we could bring
in some aggressive tone setters into our coaching staff. We’ve got so many boy scouts, which has its
pros, but getting some guys that players can rally around would be a plus.
I think a Zimmer – Kubiak/OC – Phillips would be a strong brain
trust, and maybe one that would be staying here for a while as no one would
really be looking to move upwards.
@"Bullazin" said: You wanna really stir shit up hire Wade Phillips,
@"BarrNone55" said:@"Bullazin" said: You wanna really stir shit up hire Wade Phillips, I would love that move personally. No clue on the offense but Mike McCoy needs a job. Just wild speculation One thing is for certain if you hire Wade...Barr would be worth his contract...How they use Barr gets a C grade from me most games. That dude should have 10-12 sacks per year.
@"purplefaithful" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"Bullazin" said: You wanna really stir shit up hire Wade Phillips, I would love that move personally. No clue on the offense but Mike McCoy needs a job. Just wild speculation One thing is for certain if you hire Wade...Barr would be worth his contract...How they use Barr gets a C grade from me most games. That dude should have 10-12 sacks per year.
Yup, they neuter his potential impact...after getting paid and that first series against Atlanta I thought they figured it out...nope...can you imagine Hunter and Barr on the edges?
Question: How does hiring a 72 year old coordinator fit in with the "younger-is-obviously-better" trend in today's NFL? If Zim is accused of being a dinosaur, what would that make Wade? Asking for a friend... ;)
It would be thinking outside the box? Hey, FBs are becoming vogue, why not ancient DCs...having a true DC in Atlanta lead to their turnaround...assuming Zim would give up play calling...
I don't think Zim needs to give up play calling, but Bum's son is very intriguing. It would certainly open some new ideas and I think the game plan would be something spectacular.
Wish Shurmur would have been hired back as OC.
@"BarrNone55" said:@"purplefaithful" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"Bullazin" said: You wanna really stir shit up hire Wade Phillips, I would love that move personally. No clue on the offense but Mike McCoy needs a job. Just wild speculation One thing is for certain if you hire Wade...Barr would be worth his contract...How they use Barr gets a C grade from me most games. That dude should have 10-12 sacks per year.
Yup, they neuter his potential impact...after getting paid and that first series against Atlanta I thought they figured it out...nope...can you imagine Hunter and Barr on the edges?What would our personnel look like in a base 3-4?
@"Jor-El" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"purplefaithful" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"Bullazin" said: You wanna really stir shit up hire Wade Phillips, I would love that move personally. No clue on the offense but Mike McCoy needs a job. Just wild speculation One thing is for certain if you hire Wade...Barr would be worth his contract...How they use Barr gets a C grade from me most games. That dude should have 10-12 sacks per year.
Yup, they neuter his potential impact...after getting paid and that first series against Atlanta I thought they figured it out...nope...can you imagine Hunter and Barr on the edges?What would our personnel look like in a base 3-4?
Well, we'd have to play a more attacking style with our current roster. My infatuation with the 3-4 is based on ability to draft players to fill roles.Hunter and Barr on the edges. Kendrick and Wilson in the middle...maybe even Herc...assuming Linval is gone, Johnson, Watts, and Odenigbo up front...now, if could draft towards a rebuild...
Switching to a 3-4 wouldn't be bad as Barr would make that work rather well IMO. I don't foresee that happening however
@"Jor-El" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"purplefaithful" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"Bullazin" said: You wanna really stir shit up hire Wade Phillips, I would love that move personally. No clue on the offense but Mike McCoy needs a job. Just wild speculation One thing is for certain if you hire Wade...Barr would be worth his contract...How they use Barr gets a C grade from me most games. That dude should have 10-12 sacks per year.
Yup, they neuter his potential impact...after getting paid and that first series against Atlanta I thought they figured it out...nope...can you imagine Hunter and Barr on the edges?What would our personnel look like in a base 3-4?
My vision would not be a 3-4 or 4-3, but a dynamic D that fluctuates game to game or even in game. Dunno if it would work, but it sure would be fun to watch.
@"greediron" said:@"Jor-El" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"purplefaithful" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"Bullazin" said: You wanna really stir shit up hire Wade Phillips, I would love that move personally. No clue on the offense but Mike McCoy needs a job. Just wild speculation One thing is for certain if you hire Wade...Barr would be worth his contract...How they use Barr gets a C grade from me most games. That dude should have 10-12 sacks per year.
Yup, they neuter his potential impact...after getting paid and that first series against Atlanta I thought they figured it out...nope...can you imagine Hunter and Barr on the edges?What would our personnel look like in a base 3-4?
My vision would not be a 3-4 or 4-3, but a dynamic D that fluctuates game to game or even in game. Dunno if it would work, but it sure would be fun to watch.
Wouldn't that be a lot on the players to remember and where they need to be? I guess it just seems like a lot of information and plays to have your defense remember 2 defenses. I do like the idea though for sure.
@"Canthony" said:@"greediron" said:@"Jor-El" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"purplefaithful" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"Bullazin" said: You wanna really stir shit up hire Wade Phillips, I would love that move personally. No clue on the offense but Mike McCoy needs a job. Just wild speculation One thing is for certain if you hire Wade...Barr would be worth his contract...How they use Barr gets a C grade from me most games. That dude should have 10-12 sacks per year.
Yup, they neuter his potential impact...after getting paid and that first series against Atlanta I thought they figured it out...nope...can you imagine Hunter and Barr on the edges?What would our personnel look like in a base 3-4?
My vision would not be a 3-4 or 4-3, but a dynamic D that fluctuates game to game or even in game. Dunno if it would work, but it sure would be fun to watch.
Wouldn't that be a lot on the players to remember and where they need to be? I guess it just seems like a lot of information and plays to have your defense remember 2 defenses. I do like the idea though for sure.Dunno. Could be why it hasn't ever worked. But with those two defensive minds, they would have as good a chance as any. Maybe change up who calls the plays at times without letting on. Would be a huge tendency breaker.
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