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Brian O'Neill Is The New Zen Master

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The case for leaving him at RT gets stronger all the time. If Reiff is a cap casualty, plug in Hill until our, hopefully, #1 pick is ready. 

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@"BarrNone55" said: The case for leaving him at RT gets stronger all the time. If Reiff is a cap casualty, plug in Hill until our, hopefully, #1 pick is ready. 
I'm starting to wonder if LT isn't the biggest need this off-season. 

O'Neill might want the chance to shift over there given the $$$ the position demands. It is a move potentially fraught with peril though. You could F'up two key positions and the player. 

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So much to like about him.  In Pass Pro he doesn't get off balance, gives a little to stay in good position, moves his feet so well.  For a tall guy he doesn't get away from his base.   Even the plays where they show that he got beat on, the one where Cam has a wide split and overpowers him, O'Neill recovers and doesn't let him get to Cousins. 

Watching the run blocks as well, he moves well in space and seems to find his guy and neutralize him.

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#4 · Jan 9, 9:43 AM
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@"BarrNone55" said: Second favorite #75

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I also wonder about Oli Udoh.  If he's being groomed as a potential starting RT, then would O'Neil be the best option at LT? 

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At draft time I saw him as the LT of The Future and thought he just needed a year of seasoning.  He exceeded my expectations, which were already pretty high.

O'Neil has light and quick feet with just enough size and power to keep Today's edge rushers in check.  He's not facing RTs like Reggie White, or even Julius Peppers anymore.  The New NFL edge guys are 250-260lb and more nimble.  
Brian's natural game is sorta perfect for dealing with them.  He can match their quickness and neutralize their power.  
In this regard, The Vikes appear to be ahead of the curve!

But, yeah.  Let's keep drafting Oline.  Bradbury may have some gaffs, but he's pure beast in case you didn't notice.  
Also, Udoh and Samia looked big n strong for what little I was able to see in CHI game.  I think Udoh backs up O'Neil Next Year.   I like his quicks for a huge man, too.

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@"kahsmick" said: At draft time I saw him as the LT of The Future and thought he just needed a year of seasoning.  He exceeded my expectations, which were already pretty high.

O'Neil has light and quick feet with just enough size and power to keep Today's edge rushers in check.  He's not facing RTs like Reggie White, or even Julius Peppers anymore.  The New NFL edge guys are 250-260lb and more nimble.  
Brian's natural game is sorta perfect for dealing with them.  He can match their quickness and neutralize their power.  
In this regard, The Vikes appear to be ahead of the curve!

But, yeah.  Let's keep drafting Oline.  Bradbury may have some gaffs, but he's pure beast in case you didn't notice.  
Also, Udoh and Samia looked big n strong for what little I was able to see in CHI game.  I think Udoh backs up O'Neil Next Year.   I like his quicks for a huge man, too.


Yeah, another year in the oven would probably be great for Udoh, but he did look very impressive in week 17, many times going up against Khalil Mack. It's funny, the most irrelevant game of the year and that's the one I'm most anxious to re-watch. 

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@"HappyViking" said: I also wonder about Oli Udoh.  If he's being groomed as a potential starting RT, then would O'Neil be the best option at LT? 


I think Udoh being ready in year two would be the one thing that would prompt moving O'Neill to the left. 

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@"purplefaithful" said:
@"BarrNone55" said: The case for leaving him at RT gets stronger all the time. If Reiff is a cap casualty, plug in Hill until our, hopefully, #1 pick is ready. 
I'm starting to wonder if LT isn't the biggest need this off-season. 

O'Neill might want the chance to shift over there given the $$$ the position demands. It is a move potentially fraught with peril though. You could F'up two key positions and the player. 



thats a thought of old.  teams are top paying RTs as much as LTs these days.  You can search salaries by position and the top LTs and RTs are literally only a couple million apart in avg per year.  The highest paid OT is a RT (Lane Johnson) in philly.   overall the LT gets more across the board,  but when you are talking about the best in the league,  which ONeill is setting himself up to get paid as... it makes no difference.

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At this point, do we even try to move O'Neill to LT?  He's easily a top 10 (if not top 5) RT in the NFL...  it might be smarter to leave him there and just try to find a better LT so you don't potentially screw up two spots.  Then you add in the fact that him and Kline have been dynamite together in the run game...  I think you just leave him there and forget about it.

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The only concern I have about Hill or a rookie at LT is if Elf is still next to him.

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@"Wetlander" said: At this point, do we even try to move O'Neill to LT?  He's easily a top 10 (if not top 5) RT in the NFL...  it might be smarter to leave him there and just try to find a better LT so you don't potentially screw up two spots.  Then you add in the fact that him and Kline have been dynamite together in the run game...  I think you just leave him there and forget about it.
I tend to think this is what the team believes and I'd be surprised at this point if they do move him. However, just playing devil's advocate....what if Udoh really is all that? And his performance in training camp lobbies hard for a starting role? I don't think you can put him on the left. Another thing is that finding right tackles in the draft seems to be a little bit easier than finding left tackles. All the right tackles project on the right. And damned if a good half of the left tackles don't project to the right.
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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"Wetlander" said: At this point, do we even try to move O'Neill to LT?  He's easily a top 10 (if not top 5) RT in the NFL...  it might be smarter to leave him there and just try to find a better LT so you don't potentially screw up two spots.  Then you add in the fact that him and Kline have been dynamite together in the run game...  I think you just leave him there and forget about it.
I tend to think this is what the team believes and I'd be surprised at this point if they do move him. However, just playing devil's advocate....what if Udoh really is all that? And his performance in training camp lobbies hard for a starting role? I don't think you can put him on the left. Another thing is that finding right tackles in the draft seems to be a little bit easier than finding left tackles. All the right tackles project on the right. And damned if a good half of the left tackles don't project to the right.
But is that just tradition speaking?  Where the RT doesn't have to be as good as the LT.  In today's NFL, I don't think that old way of thinking adds up.
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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"Wetlander" said: At this point, do we even try to move O'Neill to LT?  He's easily a top 10 (if not top 5) RT in the NFL...  it might be smarter to leave him there and just try to find a better LT so you don't potentially screw up two spots.  Then you add in the fact that him and Kline have been dynamite together in the run game...  I think you just leave him there and forget about it.
I tend to think this is what the team believes and I'd be surprised at this point if they do move him. However, just playing devil's advocate....what if Udoh really is all that? And his performance in training camp lobbies hard for a starting role? I don't think you can put him on the left. Another thing is that finding right tackles in the draft seems to be a little bit easier than finding left tackles. All the right tackles project on the right. And damned if a good half of the left tackles don't project to the right.
I completely agree with you on that (bolded).  However, there are a lot of unknowns with Udoh...  I like him as a developmental player, but it might be premature to start penciling him in as a starter next season.  Same goes for Samia...  is he a potential starter next year?  What about Aviante Collins who probably is the most athletically gifted OL on our roster?  Lots of unknowns for us as fans.

It'll be interesting to see how the offensive line shakes out this off-season.  The one nice thing about our starting lineup right now...  you can pretty much lock Bradbury, Kline, and O'Neill in as starters.  There is some value in knowing that we may only need to find a replacement for Reiff (if we cut him to clear cap space) and look for an upgrade at LG.  I would just hate to be in a position where we're relying on O'Neill to be good at LT, only to find out in training camp that he is struggling at that spot and now we just made LT and RT worse in one off-season...

Just some things to consider.

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@"greediron" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"Wetlander" said: At this point, do we even try to move O'Neill to LT?  He's easily a top 10 (if not top 5) RT in the NFL...  it might be smarter to leave him there and just try to find a better LT so you don't potentially screw up two spots.  Then you add in the fact that him and Kline have been dynamite together in the run game...  I think you just leave him there and forget about it.
I tend to think this is what the team believes and I'd be surprised at this point if they do move him. However, just playing devil's advocate....what if Udoh really is all that? And his performance in training camp lobbies hard for a starting role? I don't think you can put him on the left. Another thing is that finding right tackles in the draft seems to be a little bit easier than finding left tackles. All the right tackles project on the right. And damned if a good half of the left tackles don't project to the right.
But is that just tradition speaking?  Where the RT doesn't have to be as good as the LT.  In today's NFL, I don't think that old way of thinking adds up.
It's becoming less and less so, as many teams now put their best pass rusher against the right tackle. But there's a reason they do that. Typically to get a mismatch against a weaker pass blocker.

There are exceptions, but you won't find many teams whose right tackle is considered a better pass blocker than its left tackle. The blind side issue is still a thing and there hasn't been a lefty QB in the NFL in years. 

People think it's antiquated thinking, but it's really not. For example, this spring pay attention to how many draft profiles use the qualifier "right tackle only." You never hear "left tackle only."

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