Zimmer's fix for the pass defense

@"VikingOracle" said: So, the bye week came and went and Zimmer implemented a change to help the pass defense  -- basically, don't assist the run defense with safeties.  “They kept playing 2 high shell, just super deep,” Wilson said. “They didn’t want any shots thrown on them. So we said, OK, and we’ll just run it and do what we do really well.”

I don't know, I might have looked at some personnel changes during the bye, but that is just me.

I look at the Patriots and I see a team that is willing to bench, trade, cut descending players -- no loyalty, no playing based on past performance.  That philosophy has worked out okay for them. 

And yes, Seattle was able to run, but somehow we were winning the game into the 3rd quarter when the offense had 2 huge turnovers. 

@"greediron" said:

@"VikingOracle" said: So, the bye week came and went and Zimmer implemented a change to help the pass defense  -- basically, don't assist the run defense with safeties.  “They kept playing 2 high shell, just super deep,” Wilson said. “They didn’t want any shots thrown on them. So we said, OK, and we’ll just run it and do what we do really well.”

I don't know, I might have looked at some personnel changes during the bye, but that is just me.

I look at the Patriots and I see a team that is willing to bench, trade, cut descending players -- no loyalty, no playing based on past performance.  That philosophy has worked out okay for them. 

Funny you mention the patriots cuz they lost in a bad way Sunday.

And yes, Seattle was able to run, but somehow we were winning the game into the 3rd quarter when the offense had 2 huge turnovers. 

  I don't know, I might have looked at some personnel changes during the bye, but that is just me.

 

Name defensive players  Zimmer  has  benched  due to poor play?

We are now ranked #11 in scoring defense, #14 in rushing defense, #20 in passing defense...

Defense...pass or run...starts at the line.  This team is living in the past.  No more Jared.  No more Phat Pat.  No more Kevin.  No more Brian.  Griff is not the Griff of 3+ years ago.  Hunter and Weatherly are exciting but seem one dimensional.  Until Watts swatted Wilson's pass last night, I couldn't pick him out of a lineup.

Get the D line fixed and everyone behind them improves.

@"Ralphie" said: Defense...pass or run...starts at the line.  This team is living in the past.  No more Jared.  No more Phat Pat.  No more Kevin.  No more Brian.  Griff is not the Griff of 3+ years ago.  Hunter and Weatherly are exciting but seem one dimensional.  Until Watts swatted Wilson's pass last night, I couldn't pick him out of a lineup.

Get the D line fixed and everyone behind them improves.

@"Mattyman" said:

  I don't know, I might have looked at some personnel changes during the bye, but that is just me.

 

Since 2014, off the top of my head the only defensive player I recall getting benched was Gerald Hodges. I'm sure I'm missing others.

Name defensive players  Zimmer  has  benched  due to poor play?

There might lie the rub comet---we love loyalty and overvalue certain players 

I imagine Zimmer didn't make any defensive adjustments at half time because the first half went pretty well. But he sure didn't seem to make any second half adjustments when they weren't doing well.
Chalk up another post bye loss for Zimmer.

I'm really frustrated with the defense right now and I'm not sure how they dig themselves out of this hole:

• Rhodes and Hughes are struggling mightily.
• Waynes and Alexander are playing better (by comparison), but both of them are supposed to be FAs.
• The DT play was terrible against Seattle. They were gashed all game and couldn't generate an interior pass rush.
• Wilson was struggling with gap discipline. He's still better than Gedeon, but that's not saying much.
• While this may not have been the game to do it, I'm still disappointed that they are not using Barr as more of a pass rusher.
• Teams have either figured out the double A gap blitz and/or we don't have the corners to spread out in man coverage anymore.
• Zimmer tends to get out-coached by good teams and there haven't been any new wrinkles in the defense this year. The closest I can think of was the awful set where they'd line up 4 DBs at the first down marker on 3rd and long and still get beat.

Now to be fair to the defense, the offense was having trouble sustaining drives, so the D was on the field for the majority of the game and the offense did turn the ball over twice. Special teams also did no favors with a missed extra point, Ham's fumble at the end of the game, and Abdullah continuing to be unable to get kicks back to the 25.

I think our best shot this year is through the offense. We're just going to need to keep putting up 30+ points and that becomes a lot easier if Thielen can get healthy.

@"Mattyman" said:

  I don't know, I might have looked at some personnel changes during the bye, but that is just me.

 

Since 2014, off the top of my head the only defensive player I recall getting benched was Gerald Hodges. I'm sure I'm missing others.

Name defensive players  Zimmer  has  benched  due to poor play?

@"VikingOracle" said:

@"Mattyman" said:

  I don't know, I might have looked at some personnel changes during the bye, but that is just me.

 

Since 2014, off the top of my head the only defensive player I recall getting benched was Gerald Hodges. I'm sure I'm missing others.

Name defensive players  Zimmer  has  benched  due to poor play?

That is an interesting question Matty.  Someone mentioned Barr as a possibility.  As I see it, when Zimmer took over the team and the defense in particular, the d was comprised of young, ascending players.  5 years later and you have to expect some of those players to be descending and hopefully you have planned for that transition.  At the CB position, you would think they were fully prepared to replace descending players with 3 corners drafted in the 1st round and 1 player drafted in the 2nd round.

@"greediron" said:

@"VikingOracle" said: So, the bye week came and went and Zimmer implemented a change to help the pass defense  -- basically, don't assist the run defense with safeties.  “They kept playing 2 high shell, just super deep,” Wilson said. “They didn’t want any shots thrown on them. So we said, OK, and we’ll just run it and do what we do really well.”

I don't know, I might have looked at some personnel changes during the bye, but that is just me.

I look at the Patriots and I see a team that is willing to bench, trade, cut descending players -- no loyalty, no playing based on past performance.  That philosophy has worked out okay for them. 

Funny you mention the patriots cuz they lost in a bad way Sunday.

And yes, Seattle was able to run, but somehow we were winning the game into the 3rd quarter when the offense had 2 huge turnovers. 

@"njvike" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"VikingOracle" said: So, the bye week came and went and Zimmer implemented a change to help the pass defense  -- basically, don't assist the run defense with safeties.  “They kept playing 2 high shell, just super deep,” Wilson said. “They didn’t want any shots thrown on them. So we said, OK, and we’ll just run it and do what we do really well.”

I don't know, I might have looked at some personnel changes during the bye, but that is just me.

I look at the Patriots and I see a team that is willing to bench, trade, cut descending players -- no loyalty, no playing based on past performance.  That philosophy has worked out okay for them. 

Funny you mention the patriots cuz they lost in a bad way Sunday.

And yes, Seattle was able to run, but somehow we were winning the game into the 3rd quarter when the offense had 2 huge turnovers. 

 Are you actually attempting to somehow compare the Patriots to the Vikings? Wow, that's a really stupid analogy, even coming from a mouth breather like you. NE was on the road, against a likely playoff team, with a MVP caliber QB, coming off a week where they had numerous players with the flu (legitimately), playing without their starting Center (all year), mediocre at best skill players and a 42 year old QB.....and yet they are STILL 10-2, primed for another 1 or 2 seed after winning 2 of the last 3 SB's. You might want to keep the comparisons to teams like the Brown's...it's safer that way. 

You keep harping on the the 2 TO's by the Vikings on Monday, but neglect to mention the fluke 14 points that the Seahawks gave up, Wilson's volleyball play and the incredible coverage breakdown by Seattle's secondary. If you're gonna "qualify" games, the way that losers such as yourself often do, you have to apply that same whining bitchiness towards the other team, too.

But, hey, you keep on living in your revisionist history fantasy world, DB. That's all that your simple mind can tolerate. The rest of us here in reality know that the Vikings were simply beat by a better team, with a better scheme and better coaching.....DESPITE the Vikings having 2 weeks to prepare. This has been a regular occurrence the past several decades.....when are you going to take your thumb out your mouth, let go of Mommy's skirt and grow up already and face facts? 

Nighty-nite!

His change out of the bye amounted to playing Tampa-2, a defense I think he never had much respect for, to cover for Xavier's deficiencies.   And his record out of byes is 2-4 which is weak.  Zim just seems to have certain issues and he doesn't grow past them. 

But he can get a team to win the games they should- home games, games against weaklings, an occasional good road win.  But this pattern has a negligible chance of changing at this point and an equally negligible chance of ever winning a championship.

@"comet52" said: His change out of the bye amounted to playing Tampa-2, a defense I think he never had much respect for, to cover for Xavier's deficiencies.   And his record out of byes is 2-4 which is weak.  Zim just seems to have certain issues and he doesn't grow past them. 

But he can get a team to win the games they should- home games, games against weaklings, an occasional good road win.  But this pattern has a negligible chance of changing at this point and an equally negligible chance of ever winning a championship.