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Those are (according to once source, anyway) Kirk Cousin's record vs. winning teams. Here's why that is a BS stat: - He got credit for Sunday's win... but it won't count, because the Falcons are (as of right now) a "losing" team. But I think we all know that that team will have an above .500 record by the end of the season. Will that count towards Cousin's 5-25? I doubt it.
- On the other hand, he got credit for Sunday's win... but most back-ups in the league could've been the winning QB on Sunday (because of how well our ground game and defense were working). He really didn't do anything to "win" the game, but he'll get credit for being the "winning QB". That's why this is such a BS stat: it's based on the team the QB plays on, NOT the QB's abilities.
It's 5-25. And there's nothing to it!
The Falcons were 7-9 last year and do not look like they are going to improve on that, so don't see them having a winning record this year. I am sure you can go through the 25 losses and find some that are not on him, however when you are 4-25 against winning teams there is a major problem, there is no way of getting around that. And we saw it first hand last year, he never stepped up in our big games. I hope he turns it around and he has the talent around him to do so, but he is going to have change some things in his game to do so.
Here's the list, as I already had it.
Cousins against teams that finish above .500:
2014 - 0-3
W - None
L - Eagles, Seahawks, Cardinals
2015 - 0-3
W - None
L - Panthers, Patriots, Jets
2016 - 2-5
W - Packers, Giants
L - Cowboys x2, Giants, Lions, Steelers
2017 - 2-8
W - Rams, Seahawks
L - Eagles x2, Cowboys x2, Chiefs, Vikings, Saints, Chargers
2018 - 1-6
W - Eagles
L - Rams, Saints, Bears x2, Patriots, Seahawks
Total - 5-25 Against teams that finish with a winning record.
Quote: @silverjoel said:
Here's the list, as I already had it.
Cousins against teams that finish above .500:
2014 - 0-3
W - None
L - Eagles, Seahawks, Cardinals
2015 - 0-3
W - None
L - Panthers, Patriots, Jets
2016 - 2-5
W - Packers, Giants
L - Cowboys x2, Giants, Lions, Steelers
2017 - 2-8
W - Rams, Seahawks
L - Eagles x2, Cowboys x2, Chiefs, Vikings, Saints, Chargers
2018 - 1-6
W - Eagles
L - Rams, Saints, Bears x2, Patriots, Seahawks
Total - 5-25 Against teams that finish with a winning record.
Only one of those seasons was with a good team. Last year, yes: Cousins- as our starting QB- went 1-6 vs. winning teams. BUT...
- In 2 of those games, he had a QB rating over 107. Yet he gets "credit" for the loss.
- vs. the Pats, their whole defense was set up to stop the pass. They didn't even try to stop the run. Hence, Cook was averaging over 9 yards a carry. But he only had 9 carries.
- vs. the Bears, Cook only had 9 carries... for 12 yards. Cousins wasn't great either (30/46 for 262; 2 TD & 2 INT), but it's pretty obvious that he wasn't the sole reason for the loss.
- The OL last year allowed Cousins to be pressured than (almost) every other QB. They also were 23rd in rush yards per attempt, and that was with Cook and Murray.
Yeah, those are "excuses"... but there is a kernal of truth in them. And it's this: the QB is not the sole reason that teams win- or lose. Cousins played on bad teams for most of his career. THAT'S why "he" has such a crappy record. And, unless someone is going to make the case that last year's team was a good team (maybe it was... but the OC and the OL pretty much doomed our offense), that would include last year.
Like I said: IF the Falcons can somehow end up with a winning record this year (good job by JR44 pointing out that they were NOT a winning team last year), then Cousins would get credit for a W vs. a winning team. Yet we know that he had very little to do with last Sunday's win. That's really the bottom line for me: that TEAMS win... or lose. And it's dumb to give the QB most of the credit (or blame) for the team's record.
Quote: @silverjoel said:
Here's the list, as I already had it.
Cousins against teams that finish above .500:
2014 - 0-3
W - None
L - Eagles, Seahawks, Cardinals
2015 - 0-3
W - None
L - Panthers, Patriots, Jets
2016 - 2-5
W - Packers, Giants
L - Cowboys x2, Giants, Lions, Steelers
2017 - 2-8
W - Rams, Seahawks
L - Eagles x2, Cowboys x2, Chiefs, Vikings, Saints, Chargers
2018 - 1-6
W - Eagles
L - Rams, Saints, Bears x2, Patriots, Seahawks
Total - 5-25 Against teams that finish with a winning record.
I saw a post that In the same time period Cousins was 4-24 Aaron Rodgers was 5-23 against teams with winning records. Not sure if its true or not.
Quote: @pumpf said:
@ silverjoel said:
Here's the list, as I already had it.
Cousins against teams that finish above .500:
2014 - 0-3
W - None
L - Eagles, Seahawks, Cardinals
2015 - 0-3
W - None
L - Panthers, Patriots, Jets
2016 - 2-5
W - Packers, Giants
L - Cowboys x2, Giants, Lions, Steelers
2017 - 2-8
W - Rams, Seahawks
L - Eagles x2, Cowboys x2, Chiefs, Vikings, Saints, Chargers
2018 - 1-6
W - Eagles
L - Rams, Saints, Bears x2, Patriots, Seahawks
Total - 5-25 Against teams that finish with a winning record.
Only one of those seasons was with a good team. Last year, yes: Cousins- as our starting QB- went 1-6 vs. winning teams. BUT...
- In 2 of those games, he had a QB rating over 107. Yet he gets "credit" for the loss.
- vs. the Pats, their whole defense was set up to stop the pass. They didn't even try to stop the run. Hence, Cook was averaging over 9 yards a carry. But he only had 9 carries.
- vs. the Bears, Cook only had 9 carries... for 12 yards. Cousins wasn't great either (30/46 for 262; 2 TD & 2 INT), but it's pretty obvious that he wasn't the sole reason for the loss.
- The OL last year allowed Cousins to be pressured than (almost) every other QB. They also were 23rd in rush yards per attempt, and that was with Cook and Murray.
Yeah, those are "excuses"... but there is a kernal of truth in them. And it's this: the QB is not the sole reason that teams win- or lose. Cousins played on bad teams for most of his career. THAT'S why "he" has such a crappy record. And, unless someone is going to make the case that last year's team was a good team (maybe it was... but the OC and the OL pretty much doomed our offense), that would include last year.
Like I said: IF the Falcons can somehow end up with a winning record this year (good job by JR44 pointing out that they were NOT a winning team last year), then Cousins would get credit for a W vs. a winning team. Yet we know that he had very little to do with last Sunday's win. That's really the bottom line for me: that TEAMS win... or lose. And it's dumb to give the QB most of the credit (or blame) for the team's record.
Bradford was 4-0 in our 5-0 start that year. But can we really assume he deserved sole credit for it?
And on those teams listed above, who was the RB? Who was the OC? Who were the WRs? Probably don't know for the most part. But you can name the QB and the head coach and they get the credit or blame.
Part of the winning vs losing part is that lets say you were going to play an 8-7 team in week 17. If you win you dont get credit because they arent a winning team. If you lose then they all of a sudden are a winning team. This thought experiment works regardlessof when you played said team yourejusr relying on other teams to tell you if you won against a winning or losing team.
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