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Rich Gannon Weighs-in on Pack/Vike Rivalry & Cousins...
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The Vikings and Green Bay Packers have won the past seven NFC North titles, the Vikings with two and the Packers with five. But when former NFL MVP and Vikings quarterback Rich Gannon looks at the prospects for the two teams in 2018, he sees possibilities and question marks.
The Vikings are coming off their most successful season since 2009, but their 38-7 loss to the Eagles in the NFC Championship Game and their uncertainty at quarterback going into next season means they’re still a team in transition.
Meanwhile the Packers — after missing the playoffs for the first time in eight seasons and losing Aaron Rodgers for eight weeks in the middle of the season because of a broken collarbone — have completely torn apart their front office and coaching staff.
Gannon, who does color commentary for Packers preseason games and recently turned down a quarterbacks coach position with Jon Gruden and the Oakland Raiders, said the Packers have become too reliant on Rodgers.
“They made changes to the coaching staff, they have to get Aaron Rodgers’ contract [extension] straightened out,” Gannon said. “They replaced defensive coordinator Dom Capers. They replaced the quarterbacks coach [Alex Van Pelt with Frank Cignetti Jr.]. They’re disappointed that they didn’t finish better this season. They have a good quarterback, but the defense has really been a thorn in their side the last couple seasons.”
Zimmer’s influence
Gannon believes the drastic transformation of the Vikings defense under Mike Zimmer has made an impression on the Packers.
While Zimmer is 4-4 against Green Bay coach Mike McCarthy since taking over as coach in 2014, he has won four of the past five contests against the Packers.
“[The Packers have] relied so much on the right arm of Aaron Rodgers, [and] the defense simply hasn’t been the same as it was when they won the Super Bowl several years back,” Gannon said. “They have to play better on that side of the ball. Mike McCarthy has been very loyal to Dom Capers … but it was time to make a change.
“I think that they have to get faster on that side of the ball. I think they look at what the Vikings did and what Mike Zimmer has done with that defense, Mike Zimmer’s defense is significantly better than what the Packers have and they realized, with a great quarterback like Rodgers, they have to improve on the defensive side of the ball.”
When asked to forecast the 2018 battle in the NFC North, Gannon thought the Vikings’ schedule — which will include road games against Green Bay, Seattle, New England, Philadelphia and the L.A. Rams — would be a hurdle.
“I think they have a good coaching staff and a good core of quality players with good toughness and leadership,” he said. “That is important. I think if you look at Mike Zimmer and how he puts together a football team, it is about toughness and discipline and doing the right things. I think it’s a well-coached team. You lose [former offensive coordinator] Pat Shurmur, and that is a big loss for the offense.
“But I think they’ll put together a good football team. Look, you know this division is going to come down to the Vikings and Packers, it always seems like it does. But don’t count out the Lions. They have a new coaching staff and a pretty good quarterback in Matthew Stafford.”
Similar QB profiles
It seems like the Vikings’ quarterback decision will come down to either Case Keenum or Kirk Cousins, and I believe Keenum will be the choice. Gannon, who spent 17 pro seasons between four franchises, compared the two.
“I would tell you that for what it’s worth, I think they are similar players,” he said. “Cousins has more starts under his belt, although I think they’re similar-type players when you look at them physically and their characteristics. I don’t know that there is a significant difference when you look at what they’re going to be like in two or three years.
“Here’s the argument to keep Keenum: You know him, you’ve seen him, you’ve worked with him, you know how he prepares, how he studies, how he gets along with his teammates. You have intimate knowledge of the player and the person.
“In Cousins’ situation, you don’t. You have a pretty good sense of coaches who have worked with him and players who have played with him, but it’s not necessarily six in one hand, a half-dozen in the other.”
Still, Gannon acknowledged the biggest part of the Cousins question, and the part Zimmer touched on last week, and that’s the $30 million per season he will most likely demand.
“I know it’s the cost of doing business, but it’s crazy,” Gannon said. “I mean, you look at his record as a starting quarterback and he’s hovering around .500. That concerns me a little bit. He’s not Aaron Rodgers, doesn’t have that arm talent, but he is tough. He’s gritty. He does a lot of the things that you like at that position. He’s a smart guy, good leadership skills.
“But you look at the lack of postseason experience, the win/loss record, and you say, ‘Is it worth paying him?’ He’s probably going to get the most money of any starting quarterback in the league and that includes [Tom] Brady and Rodgers.”
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Totally unfair when people use a QB's win/loss record to criticize his talent as a QB. There are 22 factors involved in winning and losing. About 40 if you include coaching staff. I know some bring up Cousins' record against winning teams, but I think that's a little misleading. For example, before this year, Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees both had losing records against winning teams. 


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I would agree with you about Win/Loss record.  But I think Gannon summarized my thoughts pretty well. 
Their win records are a small part of who they are,  not to be rejected out of hand but there are a lot of factors that go into it.

I think all three of the Vikes QBs are of a similar caliber and Cousins fits in there also.  Cousins may be the best of the lot, all around.  But he isnt a 10+ millions of dollars difference.

I think Keenum is close to him but I think Teddy has the biggest possible upside.  He just started to flash what he was capable of.  And of course Sam has the big league arm and sharp mind.

I dont know what the right move is but I have some confidence in the Rick and Zim team to figure it out.


Myself, I would hqve tried to sign all three Vikes QBs during the season and then dealt them for draft picks but I guess I am a traditionalist.  It seemed the only reason not to do so is they had their eye on someone else all along?
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Gannon is pretty black and white. He doesn't mess around the gray areas. He's also a 'prove it to me' guy. I'm sure he thinks that only the top 4 guys in the league should make that kind of money. It doesn't really work like that anymore. A guy like Cousins really hasn't come around free agency like this...its a little bit new territory type stuff. But its certainly debatable and I can see that logic to a certain extent.

Sidenote on a question that is bugging me: why in the hell would the Jets get involved in the Cousins sweepstakes? They aren't close to being good. They won 5 games and their defense is HORRIBLE. 
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Quote: @StickyBun said:

Sidenote on a question that is bugging me: why in the hell would the Jets get involved in the Cousins sweepstakes? They aren't close to being good. They won 5 games and their defense is HORRIBLE. 
Pants in the seats?
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Ultimately, Gannon gets to the money Cousins is expected to receive. In his case, there could be some personal envy of current players, but I'm surprised how most criticisms of acquiring Cousins inevitably bring up his salary.

Who cares?? If we can afford him and our own upcoming players, we've improved the team. So we won't have a $20M cap buffer to sign other FAs - how often do the Vikings sign more than 1 significant UFA in an offseason?? Most years we are on the sidelines hearing Spielman talk about "value after the initial spree", and guys like Kevin Zeitler and George Iloka sign elsewhere even if we have plenty of cap space. It's fun to fantasize out 3-4 FA signings that will fill all the Vikings' gaps, but it doesn't happen anyway...we just sign Datone Jones or Andre Smith. How often does a top free agent WANT to sign here? If Cousins actually does, be thrilled!!
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I think it is the several players with contracts coming up that people are thinking about.
Diggs, Barr, Kendricks, Waynes and Hunter.
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But he's not a top free agent==he's a lateral move for max dollar===not a smart move
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Please tell me what he has done to garner the top echelon pedigree 
To be honest I've seen several of Cousins games and not once have I seen a wow factor

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Quote: @Poiple said:
I think it is the several players with contracts coming up that people are thinking about.
Diggs, Barr, Kendricks, Waynes and Hunter.
Everything I've read says that signing Cousins wont hinder their ability to sign their own players. And signing the guys you listed is pretty darn important too. 

We all wanted clarity on the QB's last fall. I'm not sure if the front office got it and they're walking from all 3 who were here or it's clear as mud for them right now and what they'll do will shock us all. 

We're about to find out - thank goodness. Lets get the tampering period officially under way already! 
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