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John Dorsey - G - BrownsBrowns hired ex-Chiefs GM John Dorsey as general manager.
The hiring — announced just 11 hours after the Browns fired executive vice president Sashi Brown — must have been in the works for some time. The Browns claimed Thursday evening that they had also satisfied the Rooney Rule by interviewing a minority candidate. It's arguably the best-case outcome for the Browns after they panicked and pulled the plug on their outside-the-box analytical approach (bad process). Aside from some salary cap issues in Kansas City, Dorsey had emerged as one of the league's top general managers before his stunning June firing. With Brown stockpiling draft picks and young talent, Dorsey has the skill to put the project over the top. His first order of business will be deciding on a 2018 quarterback plan.
This is actually an excellent hire...wonder how long before they Brown it up...
They've already Browned it up by saying that Hue Jackson will be the coach. I like Jackson but he has done nothing to suggest that he should keep his job while Sashi Brown should go. (If Jackson was pushing for Wentz or Watson and was overruled by Brown, then I rectract this post.) I thought the plan was to accumulate picks in order to build for the future even if it came at the expense of the present. They seem to be on course.
Now Dorsey can come in and look like a genius by using the picks Sashi Brown accumulated. Jackson and his staff will need to do a better job going forward.
Not sure about Wentz or Watson, but I do know there was a break on AJ McCarron between the staff and FO...can you imagine the Browns with any of those 3 QBs?
I am a big fan of Hue Jackson, and was rooting for him to be our head coach during the Childress era. The guy just needs a QB worth his time and he will mentor him into something special. Right now the Browns are like a high school professor teaching elementary school kids. You can't have a majority of the team with that many draft picks starting over the past 2 years and expect things to gel right away. Most experts believe the talent is there, but it is raw. I am a Notre Dame fan and I can tell you that Kizer would not be ready for this level. He was barely ready for college. At least with the return of Wideouts Coleman and Gordon there are weapons he did not have all year long. With the huge cap in 2018, I think the Browns should go after a QB in the offseason, like Cousins and draft the RB from Penn State who might be the next great one. If Hue can get that with what they have, their drafting to fill some holes, they could make huge strides in 2018. I do not want to see him fired because of Sashi Brown's Money Ball did not work in the NFL. It would not be fair.
Quote: @Buddah said:
I do not want to see him fired because of Sashi Brown's Money Ball did not work in the NFL. It would not be fair.
You say that "Money Ball did not work in the NFL." But that's my whole point. Did it really fail? Wasn't the plan to suck now in order to be good later? Maybe they did not plan on sucking so bad. Or maybe the pressure from passing on Wentz and Watson required a fall guy. But it seems like they are in position to execute the second half of the plan. And now Brown gets fired? But Hue, who was never an analytics guy, gets to stay?
And what is so "money ball" or "analytics" about trading your current assets to gain cap space and accumulate picks in order to build for the future? That has been done before. It looks like they used Brown to do the painful part of the plan and will let Dorsey do the fun part.
I guess that's the Browns' way.
Quote: @dadevike said:
@ Buddah said:
I do not want to see him fired because of Sashi Brown's Money Ball did not work in the NFL. It would not be fair.
You say that "Money Ball did not work in the NFL." But that's my whole point. Did it really fail? Wasn't the plan to suck now in order to be good later? Maybe they did not plan on sucking so bad. Or maybe the pressure from passing on Wentz and Watson required a fall guy. But it seems like they are in position to execute the second half of the plan. And now Brown gets fired? But Hue, who was never an analytics guy, gets to stay?
And what is so "money ball" or "analytics" about trading your current assets to gain cap space and accumulate picks in order to build for the future? That has been done before. It looks like they used Brown to do the painful part of the plan and will let Dorsey do the fun part.
I guess that's the Browns' way.
Sucking now for picks later only works if you make the right picks. Maybe they didn't think Sashi showed he was the man for the second half of the plan.
Quote: @dadevike said:
They've already Browned it up by saying that Hue Jackson will be the coach.
^^^^ This. One win in two years? Really? And he has a job???
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Quote: @greediron said:
@ dadevike said:
@ Buddah said:
I do not want to see him fired because of Sashi Brown's Money Ball did not work in the NFL. It would not be fair.
You say that "Money Ball did not work in the NFL." But that's my whole point. Did it really fail? Wasn't the plan to suck now in order to be good later? Maybe they did not plan on sucking so bad. Or maybe the pressure from passing on Wentz and Watson required a fall guy. But it seems like they are in position to execute the second half of the plan. And now Brown gets fired? But Hue, who was never an analytics guy, gets to stay?
And what is so "money ball" or "analytics" about trading your current assets to gain cap space and accumulate picks in order to build for the future? That has been done before. It looks like they used Brown to do the painful part of the plan and will let Dorsey do the fun part.
I guess that's the Browns' way.
Sucking now for picks later only works if you make the right picks. Maybe they didn't think Sashi showed he was the man for the second half of the plan.
Right, and if that's the case, he should go. (In fact, maybe he should never have been hired as GM. Had Brown ever been involved with football before he became their GM?) What I'm saying is that there did not seem to be anything all that novel about what Brown was doing - remember "Suck for Luck?" Brown was doing the same thing but on a larger scale. But of course you do have to pick good players. If he cannot do that, why was he hired at all? Not for his Money Ball skills, whatever those are.
And it does not seem like Hue Jackson is doing much of a job as the HC. Just as you need to pick the right players, you also need to coach them to be NFL players once you pick them. How has Hue done there?
i am wondering if Kizer was Browns pick even. one thing about what he was attempting there... it has to be all the way or not at all. as screwed up as that organization has been I can see ownership meddling with the master plan at every opportunity. it would have been interesting to see how he handled this upcoming draft and how the team looked after he had a little time.
i am skeptical that it would have worked, but considering its been about 30 years of nothing working in cleveland... WTF difference does it really make if they would have stuck with the plan and it hadnt worked out?
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
i am wondering if Kizer was Browns pick even. one thing about what he was attempting there... it has to be all the way or not at all. as screwed up as that organization has been I can see ownership meddling with the master plan at every opportunity. it would have been interesting to see how he handled this upcoming draft and how the team looked after he had a little time.
i am skeptical that it would have worked, but considering its been about 30 years of nothing working in cleveland... WTF difference does it really make if they would have stuck with the plan and it hadnt worked out?
Their ownership reminds me of Pet Cemetery. The fans wanted a franchise so bad after theirs died (became the Ravens in Baltimore) that they would do about anything to get one back. So the NFL hatched a half baked plan, even to the point of having an odd number of teams for a couple of years.
But somethings are just better left alone. They got their franchise back, but it has looked more like the land of the undead rather than the once proud team. I am sure the wounds of the resurrected franchise have been more painful than the initial loss.
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