I agree, not a big fan of PFF grades

[StickierBuns]

Jeremiah Sirles
@Jsirles71

I’m so done with PFF and how they score OLine. It’s an absolute joke.

You can have 39 pass blocking attempts and give up 0 sacks, 0 hits, 0 pressures. They determine how many “beaten by defenders” and you somehow get a 43.5% grade.

Absolutely F******* joke.

[Mattyman]

Pff is bogus, and it's weird no one has figured it out.

They make many claims about how they break down tape, I've not ever found a list of who does the tape breakdown?



Also they claim to breakdown tape 5 times? The math on that doesn't pencil out, even if they're paid minimum wage.

how is pff qualified to grade player's when they don't know the play or the individual responsibilities?

[StickierBuns]

Pff is bogus, and it's weird  no one has figured it out.

They make many claims about how they break down tape, I've not ever found a list of who does the tape breakdown?



Also they claim to breakdown tape 5 times? The math on that doesn't pencil out,  even if they're paid minimum wage.

how is pff qualified to grade player's when they don't know the play or  the individual responsibilities?

Yeah, that's the rub. They have a small cult following that seems to defend everything that they do, but I don't see any players that buy into it. It might have some practical uses, but its certainly has many detractors.

[JustInTime]

32 of 32 NFL teams subscribe to PFF. They’re doing something right.

[StickierBuns]

32 of 32 NFL teams subscribe to PFF. They’re doing something right.

There definitely is a market for it, can't deny that.

[JustInTime]

Yeah, the entire industry is quite the market. 

[MaroonBells]

I’d say what makes PFF so useful is exactly what Sirles is bitching about. If I’m playing left tackle and I get my ass kicked by the guy opposite me, but because the ball went the other direction or came out quickly, and didn’t result in a sack, hit or pressure, I shouldn’t be getting a “win” for that. PFF accounts for that, stats do not.

I mean, my god, how many times have we seen a dumbass decision by a QB result in a TD? Stats won’t tell you the whole story. Neither does PFF, but together, over time, and in the aggregate, they can be useful. NFL teams know this.

What’s more, I’m guessing the Vikings backup offensive linemen against the Browns got beat a lot. I mean, c’mon, we’re talking undrafted players against All Pros. But because we played a quick game of mostly 5-8 yard passes, it’s going to show up in the stats as Justin Skule v. Myles Garrett: 0 hits, 0 sacks and 0 pressures. Wow, hey, let’s give Justin Skule a $30M contract. Yeah, no. 

Matt Kalil was a big beneficiary of this. Never gave up a single sack his final season at USC. But if you watched his tape, and I did, he got his ass kicked….A LOT. Barkley just got rid of the ball before it mattered. If PFF were around back then maybe we don’t draft Matt Kalil.

[StickierBuns]

I mean, my god, how many times have we seen a dumbass decision by a QB result in a TD? Stats won’t tell you the whole story. Neither does PFF, but together, over time, and in the aggregate, they can be useful. NFL teams know this.

This I can get behind and believe....as part of the overall picture. Especially in the aggregate.

[medaille]

There is no perfect stat. Every stat has examples you can point at that make it seem like a worthless stat. I can’t see twitter stuff while at work. Did he post a bunch of all-22 so we can see PFF failing, or is he just ranting without evidence for us to confirm his opinions with our own eyes?

[MAD GAINZ]

I think it's easier to grade other positions than OL. Too many variables with how teams call protections and have different blocking schemes. There were more than a few OL guys who were playing in the league that called this out in response to PFF grades.

It's useful information in the aggregate, but it's not always accurate. I mean of course all NFL teams are going to subscribe to this data. It's cheap access to scouting in a billion dollar business. If even some of it is useful, they'll use it.

Doesn't mean it's the be all end all and teams are taking it as gospel.