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MaroonBells · 10-27-2023, 12:05 PM

He's good but he doesn't deserve top Edge money like Nick Bosa....was the prevailing wisdom just a few months ago.

https://twitter.com/JJWatt/status/171764...03442?s=20

10-27-2023, 12:23 PM

fine offer him top 5-10 money ( commensurate with his production in the past ) but with escalators that would pay him top money if he continues to perform as he has this year. To often we end up paying on contract year effort, and then never see that level of performance again from the player. He has shown what he is capable of, make it so his pay commensurate, but make him earn it.

10-27-2023, 12:32 PM

I'd rather have Nick Bosa, I don't think Hunter is that kind of player. But he's good for sure. I love having Hunter on the team, but man that is going to be big money. Lots of decisions coming up.

10-27-2023, 12:49 PM

Quote: @MaroonBells said:
He's good but he doesn't deserve top Edge money like Nick Bosa....was the prevailing wisdom just a few months ago.

https://twitter.com/JJWatt/status/171764...03442?s=20

I mean a couple months ago, Hunter was coming off 2 season ending injuries playing 7 games over those 2 years followed by last season where he didn't look like a natural 3-4 fit most of the season.

I think we'd also have to wonder how much of an outlier this season will continue to be or if we hang onto this scheme, can he replicate it going forward.

10-27-2023, 01:08 PM

He's the best DE drafted by the Vikes since Doleman. I remember being so pissed at Denny when he traded Doleman. I hope the Vikes can find some way to keep Hunter. I guess that means I'm totally Ok with the dreaded "competitive rebuild" methodology. Teams win with good players, and Denielle is thriving under this Flores defense.

10-27-2023, 03:52 PM

Quote: @medaille said:

@MaroonBells said:
He's good but he doesn't deserve top Edge money like Nick Bosa....was the prevailing wisdom just a few months ago.

https://twitter.com/JJWatt/status/171764...03442?s=20
I mean a couple months ago, Hunter was coming off 2 season ending injuries playing 7 games over those 2 years followed by last season where he didn't look like a natural 3-4 fit most of the season.

I think we'd also have to wonder how much of an outlier this season will continue to be or if we hang onto this scheme, can he replicate it going forward.

I think those two injury years really put a damper on his image. Dude is a physical freak, I was afraid his body was breaking down from over training, but so far so good this year and last.

10-27-2023, 04:04 PM

Is Bosa better than Hunter? Remember Bosa was 1-40 against Darrisaw last weekend.

10-27-2023, 04:25 PM

Anybody still NOT feel losing Hunter to injury his last two seasons in Minnesota had a major impact on Zimmers defense? You lose the straw that stirs the drink and you are going to have major problems like Zim did. Hunter showing once again just how impactful of a player he is

10-27-2023, 04:57 PM

Quote: @supafreak84 said:
Anybody still NOT feel losing Hunter to injury his last two seasons in Minnesota had a major impact on Zimmers defense? You lose the straw that stirs the drink and you are going to have major problems like Zim did. Hunter showing once again just how impactful of a player he is

Losing the main pass rush and not having any quality corners pretty much screwed any chance of a defense.

10-27-2023, 06:49 PM

Quote: @greediron said:

@supafreak84 said:
Anybody still NOT feel losing Hunter to injury his last two seasons in Minnesota had a major impact on Zimmers defense? You lose the straw that stirs the drink and you are going to have major problems like Zim did. Hunter showing once again just how impactful of a player he is
Losing the main pass rush and not having any quality corners pretty much screwed any chance of a defense.

Yeah, I think it's pretty clear that Zimmer didn't have the roster to field a functional defense in 2020 and 2021. The 2020 year was especially brutal. I think Ngakoue is probably our only starting caliber DL that year and we got 6 games out of him and he doesn't play the run.

Also underappreciated is that George Edwards left/was not brought back and was replaced by the Patterson/A. Zimmer co-coordinator situation where they both were partially position coaches and first time DC's. I'd be curious as to what the story was there. It feels awfully cheap to not field a fully fledged coaching staff those years. Did he choose that weird nepotism without replacement route because he knew it was over or was he prevented from bringing in a top tier DC and/or position coaches?