Ed F#$%ing Ingram

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@StickyBun said:
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Week 1 pass blocking grades:

Ezra Cleveland: 84.8
Brian O'Neill: 81.5
Christian Darrisaw: 73.9
Austin Schlottmann: 66.9
Ed Ingram: 40.3


Risner's strength is pass blocking and his phone should have been ringing around halftime yesterday.  Kirk is going to get killed until Kwesi/KOC recognize that Ed needs to sit.  I am not saying give up on him or cut him but he is clearly not starting material now and you are risking your 35 million dollar QB and about to be highest paid WR who isn't going to want to sign if Hall is throwing him the ball.  

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At this point Ingram does not look like a starting caliber guard, not to say he wont develop into one but at this point is Risner really the answer?  If he is why hasn't he been signed?  Money, scheme fit, attitude I mean his former offensive line coaches from the Broncos are now employed by the Vikings yet he visited and left without a contract.  Maybe that should be a warning sign he is not worth what he may be asking for.  Oh and if he does sign and has a crappy game the Kwesi haters will be on here full force saying what a shitty signing he was.

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@Greylock said:
At this point Ingram does not look like a starting caliber guard, not to say he wont develop into one but at this point is Risner really the answer?  If he is why hasn't he been signed?  Money, scheme fit, attitude I mean his former offensive line coaches from the Broncos are now employed by the Vikings yet he visited and left without a contract.  Maybe that should be a warning sign he is not worth what he may be asking for.  Oh and if he does sign and has a crappy game the Kwesi haters will be on here full force saying what a shitty signing he was.

Forget hypothetically speaking, let's just say in reality Ingram has continued to be awful and that puts him on par with the rest of the Golden Child's initial draft class. 

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@Greylock said:
At this point Ingram does not look like a starting caliber guard, not to say he wont develop into one but at this point is Risner really the answer?  If he is why hasn't he been signed?  Money, scheme fit, attitude I mean his former offensive line coaches from the Broncos are now employed by the Vikings yet he visited and left without a contract.  Maybe that should be a warning sign he is not worth what he may be asking for.  Oh and if he does sign and has a crappy game the Kwesi haters will be on here full force saying what a shitty signing he was.

A crappy game based on Ingram's crappy string of games or a crappy game based on an average starting Guard?  So you prefer to just sit and watch crappiness and not address a glaring weakness because another guy might also have a crappy game or two?  Risner's worst PFF grades are better than Ingrams best especially as a pass blocker which is where our interior is getting Kirk crushed and eventually hurt.  

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Maybe we should move him to the DL, after all he did have that nice strip sack yesterday =)

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@minny65 said:

@Greylock said:
At this point Ingram does not look like a starting caliber guard, not to say he wont develop into one but at this point is Risner really the answer?  If he is why hasn't he been signed?  Money, scheme fit, attitude I mean his former offensive line coaches from the Broncos are now employed by the Vikings yet he visited and left without a contract.  Maybe that should be a warning sign he is not worth what he may be asking for.  Oh and if he does sign and has a crappy game the Kwesi haters will be on here full force saying what a shitty signing he was.

A crappy game based on Ingram's crappy string of games or a crappy game based on an average starting Guard?  So you prefer to just sit and watch crappiness and not address a glaring weakness because another guy might also have a crappy game or two?  Risner's worst PFF grades are better than Ingrams best especially as a pass blocker which is where our interior is getting Kirk crushed and eventually hurt.  

So why hasn't he been signed by any team in the entire league?  If he is the answer to a porous line you think he would be on speed dial, yet his former coaches from the Broncos have even passed on him.  Makes you wonder maybe he isn't worth what ever he is asking for.

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Based on last year’s performance, what we saw in the 1st preseason game, and this Bucs game, Ingram needs to be benched.

He caused a fumble in the Bucs game, he stepped on Cousins foot 3-4 times last year causing sacks and impacting drives.  
If any other player on the team had his poor performance over an extended period of time, they would probably not be starting.

I have no idea what the coaching staff is seeing.   I don’t care if it’s Chris Reed, Blake Brandel, or Dalton Risner, if we care about improving our interior OL and protecting Kirk, we have to TRY someone else at this position.  
If we are going to be a pass first offense, then we need to find a pass blocking RG. 
What do we really have to lose?  How much worse can it get?

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@Magnus10 said:
Based on last year’s performance, what we saw in the 1st preseason game, and this Bucs game, Ingram needs to be benched.

He caused a fumble in the Bucs game, he stepped on Cousins foot 3-4 times last year causing sacks and impacting drives.  

If any other player on the team had his poor performance over an extended period of time, they would probably not be starting.

I have no idea what the coaching staff is seeing.   I don’t care if it’s Chris Reed, Blake Brandel, or Dalton Risner, if we care about improving our interior OL and protecting Kirk, we have to TRY someone else at this position.  
If we are going to be a pass first offense, then we need to find a pass blocking RG. 
What do we really have to lose?  How much worse can it get?

was that strip on Ingram?  I thought that looked fucked up,  QBs are taught to get that snap into their chest immediately after the snap as they back pedal or turn to hand off.  Ingram pulling has to be looking down the field for his blocking assignment,  not to see that Kirk isnt holding the ball out in front of him.   I dont know for sure what the hell happened on that play,  but I cant see that it was on Ingram to make sure Kirk wasnt standing there with the ball extended away from his body IMO.

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Risner isn't going to make any difference of significance. He's on the outside looking in for a reason.