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Some good things to say and some bad things. Of course, Florio brings up the 4th down game ender against the Giants after Cousins played perhaps his best game of the year. Simms ranks him 12th, which I think is mostly fair. I'd probably put him in the 8-12 range.
Free menswear tip for you kids out there. If you have a button down collar and you're not wearing a tie, don't button the top button.
https://www.nbcsports.com/video/minnesot...nfl-season
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
Some good things to say and some bad things. Of course, Florio brings up the 4th down game ender against the Giants after Cousins played perhaps his best game of the year. Simms ranks him 12th, which I think is mostly fair. I'd probably put him in the 8-12 range.
Free menswear tip for you kids out there. If you have a button down collar and you're not wearing a tie, don't button the top button.
https://www.nbcsports.com/video/minnesot...nfl-season
I have to get on my 10 year old about that all the time. But he is 10
"He is better than Dak" is faint praise.
What would you rather have;Kirk Cousins or a one-in-a-million shot at the Superbowl?
Quote: @FLVike said:
What would you rather have;Kirk Cousins or a one-in-a-million shot at the Superbowl?
The more relevant question is who is more likely to win us a Super Bowl in the next 3 or 4 years? Kirk Cousins or a 1st round draft pick? That's obviously Kirk Cousins.
Quote: @FLVike said:
What would you rather have;Kirk Cousins or a one-in-a-million shot at the Superbowl?
Random Factoids
# of SBs: 57
# of SBs won by a first round QB: 32
# of 1st round QBs who’ve won a SB: 20
# of 1st round QBs: 187
# of Total QBs drafted 1067
Odds on any given 1st round QB winning at least
one SB: 10.7%
Odds of any given SB being won by a 1st round
QB: 56%
32 SBs have been split by 187 first round QBs
The remaining 25 SBs have been split by the 880 non 1st
round QBs + more that were undrafted (namely Kurt Warner)
I'm not sure how to break it down on Kirk vs random 1st rounder over the next 3 years ('24-'26).
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ FLVike said:
What would you rather have;Kirk Cousins or a one-in-a-million shot at the Superbowl?
The more relevant question is who is more likely to win us a Super Bowl in the next 3 or 4 years? Kirk Cousins or a 1st round draft pick? That's obviously Kirk Cousins.
I think you’re probably right here, as it’s unlikely any
rookie QB is going to win a SB their rookie year and they will become increasingly
more competent as time goes on, while Cousins is pretty much steady state now,
so you’re giving Cousins some amount of advantage there. I think if you stretched it out over a 5 year
rookie contract, it’d probably flip back around to favor the 1st
Round rookie, but that’s just a gut feeling, as I don’t feel that confident in
the math of calculating Cousins odds nor the desire to break down rookie
contract QBs by how many years in the league.
Obviously, a 3rd option exists and that is keep
Cousins until we get a different QB that offers more value. I don’t feel a strong need to sign Cousins
long term nor cut him prior to drafting a new one.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ FLVike said:
What would you rather have;Kirk Cousins or a one-in-a-million shot at the Superbowl?
The more relevant question is who is more likely to win us a Super Bowl in the next 3 or 4 years? Kirk Cousins or a 1st round draft pick? That's obviously Kirk Cousins.
All I did was ask a question. It is perceived by many that Cousins has zero chance at winning a Superbowl so the one-in-a-million would be their pick. I think lessor talented QB's have been to the Superbowl so I am with Medaille on this one, I would not sign Cousins long term or cut him unless we have one we believe in.
Quote: @FLVike said:
What would you rather have;Kirk Cousins or a one-in-a-million shot at the Superbowl?
It feels like they are the same thing.
Quote: @medaille said:
@ FLVike said:
What would you rather have;Kirk Cousins or a one-in-a-million shot at the Superbowl?
Random Factoids
# of SBs: 57
# of SBs won by a first round QB: 32
# of 1st round QBs who’ve won a SB: 20
# of 1st round QBs: 187
# of Total QBs drafted 1067
Odds on any given 1st round QB winning at least
one SB: 10.7%
Odds of any given SB being won by a 1st round
QB: 56%
32 SBs have been split by 187 first round QBs
The remaining 25 SBs have been split by the 880 non 1st
round QBs + more that were undrafted (namely Kurt Warner)
I'm not sure how to break it down on Kirk vs random 1st rounder over the next 3 years ('24-'26).
Just read an article that pretty much argues the same point I've been making for a while now. You can find it HERE. Some highlights....
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There have been 38 quarterbacks drafted in the first round since 2011, the year the NFL changed the collective bargaining agreement to set a wage scale for rookie deals, making it extremely affordable to draft a quarterback. These 38 first round quarterbacks have made a total of 1,909 starts. Their record? 1034-1035-7. Only one of those 38 quarterbacks led their team to a Super Bowl victory.
Most believe the best way to win in the NFL is to draft a quarterback in the first round and win while he is playing on his rookie deal. It absolutely has been drilled into our heads. Despite that, the trend is that older quarterbacks have taken their teams deeper into the playoffs.
There is so much talk around the league about drafting and developing quarterbacks, about taking advantage of the rookie window, that we’ve ignored the fact that this strategy not only hasn’t been very successful, but that the opposite strategy has actually seen far more recent success.
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If you read the entire article and see the data he uses to support his point, it makes a lot of sense. To me, the lesson seems to be, sure draft a QB high, and while he's on his rookie contract, build up your roster. And if that young QB doesn't take you to the promise land (data says it's extremely unlikely he will), then bring in a veteran QB to finish the job. Because....
Of these 38 quarterbacks, 10 are still on their rookie deal, so set them aside. Of the other 28, only 11 (39%) were even given a second deal with the team that drafted them.
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