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...but on the rare occasion when you do hit on a player, shouldn't you try to keep him? The Lions have mixed horrible drafting with this unbelievable willingness to send good players packing. I'm going to plagiarize one of my posts from a couple years ago.
Lions’ drafts are littered with busts, despite picking in the top ten 14 out of the last 20 drafts. Worse, when they occasionally hit on a player, they don’t keep him. Lions drafted Larry Warford in 2013, but they didn’t resign him after his 1st contract. So he goes to the Saints and has been a Pro Bowler ever since.
Laken Tomlinson, drafted in the 1st round. Lions keep him for two seasons, declare him a bust and trade him to the 49ers for a 5th round pick. He’s started for San Francisco ever since.
In 2014 the Lions traded up in the 2nd round to take linebacker Kyle Van Noy. Two years later trade him to the Patriots for a 6th rounder. He becomes part of the Patriots all-decade team and signs a $51M contract with the Dolphins this spring.
Darius Slay, another 2nd rounder, 3-time pro bowler, and one of the best picks the Lions have ever made, is traded to the Eagles this spring. Why?
2nd overall pick Ndamukong Suh, 1 contract, gone. 5th overall pick Ziggy Ansah, 1 contract, gone. 1st rounder Riley Reiff, 1 contract, gone. 2nd rounder A’Shawn Robinson, 1 contract, gone.
Update: Now add Kenny Golladay, Matthew Stafford and TJ Hockenson to this list. The mind boggles.
Yea and this is a whole new regime that did this Hockenson deal so they are continuing a trend for the Lions.
On the Viking front, Kwesi outmaneuvered the Lion's brass on this move bigtime. Helps make up for the trade down and will be immediately fruitful unlike a draft pick/s.
Well they did keep Stafford for a while, then traded him for the bust Goff.
Quote: @minny65 said:
Yea and this is a whole new regime that did this Hockenson deal so they are continuing a trend for the Lions.
On the Viking front, Kwesi outmaneuvered the Lion's brass on this move bigtime. Helps make up for the trade down and will be immediately fruitful unlike a draft pick/s.
yeah that is one that will take a while for me to get past.
Quote: @kmillard said:
@ minny65 said:
Yea and this is a whole new regime that did this Hockenson deal so they are continuing a trend for the Lions.
On the Viking front, Kwesi outmaneuvered the Lion's brass on this move bigtime. Helps make up for the trade down and will be immediately fruitful unlike a draft pick/s.
yeah that is one that will take a while for me to get past.
Quote: @kmillard said:
@ minny65 said:
Yea and this is a whole new regime that did this Hockenson deal so they are continuing a trend for the Lions.
On the Viking front, Kwesi outmaneuvered the Lion's brass on this move bigtime. Helps make up for the trade down and will be immediately fruitful unlike a draft pick/s.
yeah that is one that will take a while for me to get past.
Agree,
Not a good first draft for Kwesi but that is only a part of the GM job. The approved hiring of KOC (group decision) but ultimately his choice. FA acq of Z Smith and now Hock etc..
Kwesi is settling-in nicely at this point...IMO
Quote: @minny65 said:
Yea and this is a whole new regime that did this Hockenson deal so they are continuing a trend for the Lions.
On the Viking front, Kwesi outmaneuvered the Lion's brass on this move bigtime. Helps make up for the trade down and will be immediately fruitful unlike a draft pick/s.
It is a new regime but I'm failing to see the master plan. They're just doing what the old regime did. It's stupid enough to take a TE in the first round, let alone the top 10, but TJ has been a decent player. Nowhere near worth a top 10 pick, but at least he hasn't been a bust.
Why make these picks if you're just going to ship them off before their 2nd contract? For picks? That they'll use on players, half of whom will bust and the other half they'll trade away before they have to pay them? Lather, rinse....
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ minny65 said:
Yea and this is a whole new regime that did this Hockenson deal so they are continuing a trend for the Lions.
On the Viking front, Kwesi outmaneuvered the Lion's brass on this move bigtime. Helps make up for the trade down and will be immediately fruitful unlike a draft pick/s.
It is a new regime but I'm failing to see the master plan. They're just doing what the old regime did. It's stupid enough to take a TE in the first round, let alone the top 10, but TJ has been a decent player. Nowhere near worth a top 10 pick, but at least he hasn't been a bust.
Why make these picks if you're just going to ship them off before their 2nd contract? For picks? That they'll use on players, half of whom will bust and the other half they'll trade away before they have to pay them? Lather, rinse....
Yea I have no idea what the Lions are thinking/doing and you're right this new regime (w/ c spelly) is following the same pattern. Maybe they work Rick into the front office somewhere which I think would be very smart of them.
That and the Bears have burned their roster to the ground in hopes of building it back up around Fields if he proves to be the answer the remainder of the season. But if Fields isn't the answer, they are scorched earth with years of regrowth - IMO. I know rebuilds are generally only a year or two anymore but if you don't have a QB it is 3 to 4 years in the making.
Great for us that the Lions and Bears are in our division - bad ownership.
Another shout-out to the Wilf's, lets hope their willingness to spend to the CAP max pays off one of these years!
Quote: @minny65 said:
@ kmillard said:
@ minny65 said:
Yea and this is a whole new regime that did this Hockenson deal so they are continuing a trend for the Lions.
On the Viking front, Kwesi outmaneuvered the Lion's brass on this move bigtime. Helps make up for the trade down and will be immediately fruitful unlike a draft pick/s.
yeah that is one that will take a while for me to get past.
Quote: @kmillard said:
@ minny65 said:
Yea and this is a whole new regime that did this Hockenson deal so they are continuing a trend for the Lions.
On the Viking front, Kwesi outmaneuvered the Lion's brass on this move bigtime. Helps make up for the trade down and will be immediately fruitful unlike a draft pick/s.
yeah that is one that will take a while for me to get past.
Agree,
Not a good first draft for Kwesi but that is only a part of the GM job. The approved hiring of KOC (group decision) but ultimately his choice. FA acq of Z Smith and now Hock etc..
Kwesi is settling-in nicely at this point...IMO
Not a good first draft for Kwesi but that is only a part of the GM job.
True, allowing the Lions to move up 20 spots in the first round for basically peanuts...............
Unless..............there was unwritten information on that trade that lead to this Hockenson trade.I don't know, maybe it was like; We do agree that it really is both of us against the Packers so;.....
At the trade deadline if we are in the hunt and you are not and we need a player....yada, yada, yada...
Quote: @FLVike said:
@ minny65 said:
@ kmillard said:
@ minny65 said:
Yea and this is a whole new regime that did this Hockenson deal so they are continuing a trend for the Lions.
On the Viking front, Kwesi outmaneuvered the Lion's brass on this move bigtime. Helps make up for the trade down and will be immediately fruitful unlike a draft pick/s.
yeah that is one that will take a while for me to get past.
Quote: @kmillard said:
@ minny65 said:
Yea and this is a whole new regime that did this Hockenson deal so they are continuing a trend for the Lions.
On the Viking front, Kwesi outmaneuvered the Lion's brass on this move bigtime. Helps make up for the trade down and will be immediately fruitful unlike a draft pick/s.
yeah that is one that will take a while for me to get past.
Agree,
Not a good first draft for Kwesi but that is only a part of the GM job. The approved hiring of KOC (group decision) but ultimately his choice. FA acq of Z Smith and now Hock etc..
Kwesi is settling-in nicely at this point...IMO
Not a good first draft for Kwesi but that is only a part of the GM job.
True, allowing the Lions to move up 20 spots in the first round for basically peanuts...............
Unless..............there was unwritten information on that trade that lead to this Hockenson trade.I don't know, maybe it was like; We do agree that it really is both of us against the Packers so;.....
At the trade deadline if we are in the hunt and you are not and we need a player....yada, yada, yada...
I don't think that is the way it works but I have been wrong before 
Quote: @FLVike said:
Not a good first draft for Kwesi but that is only a part of the GM job.
True, allowing the Lions to move up 20 spots in the first round for basically peanuts.............
This is the one that ticks me off. Other teams doing similar deals in recent years got back a first. Detroit's first next year could net us a QBOTF... if we had it.
The Hockensen trade seems ok to me. His rankings vs. Irv are an eye-opener (and he did it with Jared Goff):
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