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StickyBun · 03-02-2022, 12:37 PM

Can't win with those numbers? Yes, I do wish his cap number was more manageable but the production is there.

03-02-2022, 12:52 PM

I'm sure there's a bridge QB that can match that, right? Or a rookie in the worst class since 2013.

03-02-2022, 01:46 PM

Quote: @StickyBun said:
Can't win with those numbers? Yes, I do wish his cap number was more manageable but the production is there.

A QB who can put up those kind of numbers consistently is what everyone is looking for. You build a team around that kind of talent.

It was 12 years between Culpepper and Cousins. Jets have been waiting 40 years to find their guy. Chad, Sanchez, Geno, Darnold. For the Browns, it's been 30 years since Kosar. Couch, Quinn, McCoy, Mayfield and a handful of crap in between. Lions, Bears, Commies...Giants have had shit since Manning. Eagles 13 years since McNabb. There's at least a dozen others like that.

But the Vikings will find their guy right away? It's far more likely they end up on a years, maybe decades, long QB carousel, wasting the careers of JJ, Dalvin, etc.

03-02-2022, 02:11 PM

2021 was his best year ever, he is trending up and going to be in a system that made Stafford better than he ever was.

03-02-2022, 02:17 PM

Great numbers for sure, but why are
so many posts showing these stats needed to convince Longshippers that the
Vikings already have a good QB?

I think it's because we all see his flaws
too, and mainly it's in leadership, swagger, and confidence. The things
that don't show up on stat sheets. There's a burning desire to succeed in
QBs like Fran, Staubach, Bradshaw, Favre, Stabler, Brady, Mahomes, and other great winning QBs that seems to be lacking in KC. There's a fire in him missing
or he's just too dorky that’s holding him back from being a leader.

Hell,
Rudy thinks the Giants QB, Daniel Jones, was the best QB he's ever played
with. Do you guys think Jones is better than Cousins? Does anyone
here have a better understanding on how to evaluate those two QBs better than
Rudy? I doubt it.

If KC stays, fine, but if he's
traded away, it's probably because of his personality makeup not found on stat
sheets.

03-02-2022, 02:20 PM

Quote: @HappyViking said:
Great numbers for sure, but why are
so many posts showing these stats needed to convince Longshippers that the
Vikings already have a good QB?

I think it's because we all see his flaws
too, and mainly it's in leadership, swagger, and confidence. The things
that don't show up on stat sheets. There's a burning desire to succeed in
QBs like Fran, Staubach, Bradshaw, Favre, Stabler, Brady, Mahomes, and other great winning QBs that seems to be lacking in KC. There's a fire in him missing
or he's just too dorky that’s holding him back from being a leader.

Hell,
Rudy thinks the Giants QB, Daniel Jones, was the best QB he's ever played
with. Do you guys think Jones is better than Cousins? Does anyone
here have a better understanding on how to evaluate those two QBs better than
Rudy? I doubt it.

If KC stays, fine, but if he's
traded away, it's probably because of his personality makeup not found on stat
sheets.

If leadership is an issue, why is he a captain?

03-02-2022, 02:22 PM

There's the "how you do your job" Swagger, Leadership traits etc...

Then there's the "what" you do - TD's, INT's QBR etc...

Kirk is kooky, but then not everyone has Favre's boyish charm either.

03-02-2022, 02:30 PM

Quote: @HappyViking said:
Great numbers for sure, but why are
so many posts showing these stats needed to convince Longshippers that the
Vikings already have a good QB?

I think it's because we all see his flaws
too, and mainly it's in leadership, swagger, and confidence. The things
that don't show up on stat sheets. There's a burning desire to succeed in
QBs like Fran, Staubach, Bradshaw, Favre, Stabler, Brady, Mahomes, and other great winning QBs that seems to be lacking in KC. There's a fire in him missing
or he's just too dorky that’s holding him back from being a leader.

Hell,
Rudy thinks the Giants QB, Daniel Jones, was the best QB he's ever played
with. Do you guys think Jones is better than Cousins? Does anyone
here have a better understanding on how to evaluate those two QBs better than
Rudy? I doubt it.

If KC stays, fine, but if he's
traded away, it's probably because of his personality makeup not found on stat
sheets.

Because there are so many Anti-Kirk folks who like to point out stats like Our third down conversion rate being awful and having it solely apply to Kirk. Not the playcalling, not the OL, not the stats of how bad our running game was on second down, just Kirk. Or there is the well he was 8-8 last year. I think a lot of the Pro Kirk or non Anti-Kirk folks realize it's a team game and there have been way bigger issues the last two years. Very few want to pay him $45MM, but how he has performed in the last 1.5 seasons makes him worth $35MM per year.

Team. Game.

03-02-2022, 02:41 PM

Quote: @purplefaithful said:
There's the "how you do your job" Swagger, Leadership traits etc...

Then there's the "what" you do - TD's, INT's QBR etc...

Kirk is kooky, but then not everyone has Favre's boyish charm either.

I think it's the swagger and leadership that elevates the entire team like Joe Montana or Jim Kelly had. Kirk's numbers are up there with anyone, but yet many still question his greatness. That's not because of his stats.
I do trust KOC and KAM know the "good" and "bad" of Cousins. I also think they do want him for '22, but negotiations have to work out for the greater good of the Vikings.

03-02-2022, 02:48 PM

Quote: @JustinTime18™ said:

@HappyViking said:
Great numbers for sure, but why are
so many posts showing these stats needed to convince Longshippers that the
Vikings already have a good QB?

I think it's because we all see his flaws
too, and mainly it's in leadership, swagger, and confidence. The things
that don't show up on stat sheets. There's a burning desire to succeed in
QBs like Fran, Staubach, Bradshaw, Favre, Stabler, Brady, Mahomes, and other great winning QBs that seems to be lacking in KC. There's a fire in him missing
or he's just too dorky that’s holding him back from being a leader.

Hell,
Rudy thinks the Giants QB, Daniel Jones, was the best QB he's ever played
with. Do you guys think Jones is better than Cousins? Does anyone
here have a better understanding on how to evaluate those two QBs better than
Rudy? I doubt it.

If KC stays, fine, but if he's
traded away, it's probably because of his personality makeup not found on stat
sheets.
If leadership is an issue, why is he a captain?

Not sure, they didn't let me vote on it B) , but maybe because he's the starting QB and obviously the highest paid player on the team.

JJ was quoted at the end of of the season:" I feel like we all just need to play with that confidence, all need to
boost him up. I just feel like Kirk just needs to go out there and have
fun with it. Just have that confidence, have that swagger, trust in his
playmakers to get the ball and do what they have to do. So, I’m happy
for this upcoming year."
Most want the QB to be the leader, not have the entire team boost the QB.