2 minute defense

[Vikergirl]

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Woohoo, we're record setters!  Sweet!  Oh wait,...

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Bench Cousins now. Dude is the worst corner I've ever seen.  Absolutely melts in high pressure situations. 

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@Vikergirl said:

And we were made to believe the 2020 defense was a one off and will never happen again.
I remember how many here were all giddy with all the signings, experienced one year rentals and how our defense would  return to greatness and oh boy, Zim is back! How long ago that was!

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Once Zimmer is gone, I think you'll hear a narrative and rumblings from 'inside sources' about his coaching style and shortcomings. Just a guess.

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Youre right Sticky...I guess it's kinda human nature too though. 

This D is harkening me back to Les Frasier, not a good thing. 

My lament is they could never stay healthy enough to realize potential. This D was pretty good earlier in the season and has just gone to hell since. 

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@purplefaithful said:
Youre right Sticky...I guess it's kinda human nature too though. 

This D is harkening me back to Les Frasier, not a good thing. 

My lament is they could never stay healthy enough to realize potential. This D was pretty good earlier in the season and has just gone to hell since. 

thats been some of our complaints since early on with Zim, if he is such a great coach,  why does it take high draft picks, playing at a near flawless level,  to get his defense to play at a high level?  shouldnt a great coach be able to do good/great things with the average NFL types,  and then have a few great players really elevate the team?

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@JimmyinSD said:

@purplefaithful said:
Youre right Sticky...I guess it's kinda human nature too though. 

This D is harkening me back to Les Frasier, not a good thing. 

My lament is they could never stay healthy enough to realize potential. This D was pretty good earlier in the season and has just gone to hell since. 

thats been some of our complaints since early on with Zim, if he is such a great coach,  why does it take high draft picks, playing at a near flawless level,  to get his defense to play at a high level?  shouldnt a great coach be able to do good/great things with the average NFL types,  and then have a few great players really elevate the team?

I think one of the things that’s made Zimmers defense so
effective is all the games that are being played to confuse the QBs.  I think you probably need some intelligence
to play the key positions on Zimmers defense, and that either comes with
experience or innate intelligence.  You
probably can’t just take some dumb, athletic player and replace Smith or Kendricks.  You also need some amount of selflessness to
have all the players playing as a team.


But the NFL has changed. 
It’s a dumb idea to invest heavily in your defense.  You need to maximize your offense, and get
whatever you can out of your defense. 
You also need to have a ton of young players because of cap
limitations.  I don’t think you can run a
team the way Zimmer ran his defense where young players sat for a couple years
and learned.  You need schemes that you
can just plug and play guys and it still works, not complicated schemes that
are awesome if you’ve got a lot of great guys, but suck with replacement level
guys.  I also don’t think it’s really
possible to be consistently good on defense. 
It’s just too hard.  If you have
weaknesses on defense, the offense can attack those weaknesses, and it’s impossible
to be deep enough to prevent weaknesses. 
You really need a solid roster and then luck.  That doesn’t really explain the catastrophic
failures on D we’ve seen this year, and it doesn’t explain how soft we’ve been in
key situations.


We used to be an aggressive man team with heavy blitzing,
and it seems like we switched to a much more soft zone based team several years
ago and it’s never really been the same. 
I’m not sure what caused this.  I
think we all want the old aggressive blitzing defense back.  I’m curious if the rule changes make that
impractical or if he’s just gotten old and soft.


I also think he really fucked up his coordinators.  I think having so many inexperienced
coordinators is super dumb.  I imagine if
he feels like he needs to help Kubiak with the offense, now he’s delegating
more of his defense and they suffer, and if he focuses on the defense the
offense suffers.  He really needed more
guys that he can just hand off whole sections of his team to and trust they’ll
crush it.

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@medaille said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@purplefaithful said:
Youre right Sticky...I guess it's kinda human nature too though. 

This D is harkening me back to Les Frasier, not a good thing. 

My lament is they could never stay healthy enough to realize potential. This D was pretty good earlier in the season and has just gone to hell since. 

thats been some of our complaints since early on with Zim, if he is such a great coach,  why does it take high draft picks, playing at a near flawless level,  to get his defense to play at a high level?  shouldnt a great coach be able to do good/great things with the average NFL types,  and then have a few great players really elevate the team?

I think one of the things that’s made Zimmers defense so
effective is all the games that are being played to confuse the QBs.  I think you probably need some intelligence
to play the key positions on Zimmers defense, and that either comes with
experience or innate intelligence.  You
probably can’t just take some dumb, athletic player and replace Smith or Kendricks.  You also need some amount of selflessness to
have all the players playing as a team.


But the NFL has changed. 
It’s a dumb idea to invest heavily in your defense.  You need to maximize your offense, and get
whatever you can out of your defense. 
You also need to have a ton of young players because of cap
limitations.  I don’t think you can run a
team the way Zimmer ran his defense where young players sat for a couple years
and learned.  You need schemes that you
can just plug and play guys and it still works, not complicated schemes that
are awesome if you’ve got a lot of great guys, but suck with replacement level
guys.  I also don’t think it’s really
possible to be consistently good on defense. 
It’s just too hard.  If you have
weaknesses on defense, the offense can attack those weaknesses, and it’s impossible
to be deep enough to prevent weaknesses. 
You really need a solid roster and then luck.  That doesn’t really explain the catastrophic
failures on D we’ve seen this year, and it doesn’t explain how soft we’ve been in
key situations.


We used to be an aggressive man team with heavy blitzing,
and it seems like we switched to a much more soft zone based team several years
ago and it’s never really been the same. 
I’m not sure what caused this.  I
think we all want the old aggressive blitzing defense back.  I’m curious if the rule changes make that
impractical or if he’s just gotten old and soft.


I also think he really fucked up his coordinators.  I think having so many inexperienced
coordinators is super dumb.  I imagine if
he feels like he needs to help Kubiak with the offense, now he’s delegating
more of his defense and they suffer, and if he focuses on the defense the
offense suffers.  He really needed more
guys that he can just hand off whole sections of his team to and trust they’ll
crush it.

I dont know that a person exists that Zimmer would just turn things over to without him meddling, regardless of what side of the ball.

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@medaille said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@purplefaithful said:
Youre right Sticky...I guess it's kinda human nature too though. 

This D is harkening me back to Les Frasier, not a good thing. 

My lament is they could never stay healthy enough to realize potential. This D was pretty good earlier in the season and has just gone to hell since. 

thats been some of our complaints since early on with Zim, if he is such a great coach,  why does it take high draft picks, playing at a near flawless level,  to get his defense to play at a high level?  shouldnt a great coach be able to do good/great things with the average NFL types,  and then have a few great players really elevate the team?

I think one of the things that’s made Zimmers defense so
effective is all the games that are being played to confuse the QBs.  I think you probably need some intelligence
to play the key positions on Zimmers defense, and that either comes with
experience or innate intelligence.  You
probably can’t just take some dumb, athletic player and replace Smith or Kendricks.  You also need some amount of selflessness to
have all the players playing as a team.


But the NFL has changed. 
It’s a dumb idea to invest heavily in your defense.  You need to maximize your offense, and get
whatever you can out of your defense. 
You also need to have a ton of young players because of cap
limitations.  I don’t think you can run a
team the way Zimmer ran his defense where young players sat for a couple years
and learned.  You need schemes that you
can just plug and play guys and it still works, not complicated schemes that
are awesome if you’ve got a lot of great guys, but suck with replacement level
guys.  I also don’t think it’s really
possible to be consistently good on defense. 
It’s just too hard.  If you have
weaknesses on defense, the offense can attack those weaknesses, and it’s impossible
to be deep enough to prevent weaknesses. 
You really need a solid roster and then luck.  That doesn’t really explain the catastrophic
failures on D we’ve seen this year, and it doesn’t explain how soft we’ve been in
key situations.


We used to be an aggressive man team with heavy blitzing,
and it seems like we switched to a much more soft zone based team several years
ago and it’s never really been the same. 
I’m not sure what caused this.  I
think we all want the old aggressive blitzing defense back.  I’m curious if the rule changes make that
impractical or if he’s just gotten old and soft.


I also think he really fucked up his coordinators.  I think having so many inexperienced
coordinators is super dumb.  I imagine if
he feels like he needs to help Kubiak with the offense, now he’s delegating
more of his defense and they suffer, and if he focuses on the defense the
offense suffers.  He really needed more
guys that he can just hand off whole sections of his team to and trust they’ll
crush it.

“But the NFL has changed”

It has passed Z by. A combo of rule changes, poor in game management, lack of aggression/conservatism has done him in. 

Its time for an innovator preferably on offense, preferably with proven head coaching experience at some level